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Can anyone get banned sites back into Yahoo!
hedd gwynfor




msg:838260
 6:50 pm on Sep 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

As many others, every single page of our large site has been banned by yahoo even though we rate highly in Google. We do not use spamming techniques, and do all markeiting work in house. We have been banned since April and are now becoming desperate!

What I cannot understand is why no SEO's are offering a service of getting banned sites re-included in Yahoo. There are so many banned sites, an SEO company could make a killing out of this!

So if you do offer this service, send me a sticky!

 

soapystar




msg:838261
 7:58 am on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

er....yeah....but....

what has someone who optimizes sites got to do with someone who can get you unbanned from Yahoo?....i dont think you have begun to grasp what a ban means.....

george123




msg:838262
 8:11 am on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

hedd gwynfor ,you don't need a SEO ,you need a new domain similar to the banned one as .net.org or what ever...duplicate the banned domain don't let googlebot to crawl ...user agent disallow...as robots txt so you wont be in G index as duplicate, build your inbound links and resubmit it to Yahoo, if you have other pages indexed in Yahoo put all the inbound links from there soon you will be back the same page with different url,if they ban you again do the same think with another domain as long as they will be fed up.In fact thats what they need from all banned webmasters duplicate your pages make the according there guidelines try not to be indexed by Google and do the same .

webmktg




msg:838263
 9:08 am on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi george123,

You could be right as I have seen many websites have done that and got back to Yahoo. Anyway I dont know whether this is a genuine method to follow.

soapystar




msg:838264
 10:07 am on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

its as genuine as the one used by yahoo to ban you.

george123




msg:838265
 10:23 am on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

soapy(its as genuine as the one used by yahoo to ban you)
lets give them a KO they can't ban free sites as well if they want to play with us they have to pay the ferryman.Here at this forum is the cream of webmasters that many of them are top brains in mathematics/statistics/algorithms/ ,so dear yahoooooo's children dont provocate us to spam the www.

lufc1955




msg:838266
 12:31 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I got our site back into Yahoo. I made no changes to it at all. I emailed the address on webmasterworld at about 6 months later we were back in! Looks like appeal process does work for the right sites.

makemetop




msg:838267
 1:09 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

>no SEO's are offering a service of getting banned sites re-included in Yahoo.

Surely most do. Isn't it part of the job?

soapystar




msg:838268
 2:46 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

it has nothing to do with seo. If 'banned site back in' means new domain same content back in then sure, thats not a biggie since banned sites arent banned for content. 'Banned site back in' as opposse to 'penalised site back in' is a whole different ball game. If you have a contact inside yahoo you can get it back in but that has nothing to do with seo, also if you happen to be in a postion thats useful to yahoo you can get sites back in, the average joe schmo has no chance. The chances are on a par with the lottery, sure it happens but the chances of it happening to you are near to zero.

Theres a lot of confusion around since many people clasify their site banned when they are not. They are victims of bugs in the yahoo serps or suffering from an algo affect, this has nothing to do with banning or appealing.

lufc1955 your timescale is interesting. You speak like you got back in a while ago which would make the 6 months you mentioned being before the google switch. Im not saying you werent banned and it wasnt unbanned after the switch but some clarification would be handy.

DaveAtIFG




msg:838269
 3:19 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

What I cannot understand is why no SEO's are offering a service of getting banned sites re-included in Yahoo.
Since Yahoo is the only entity that can decide what sites to ban... An SEO could review your site and suggest reasons for a ban and suggest an email address where you could request a site review.

Or you could follow Yahoo_Mike's recent suggestions in message 4 here [webmasterworld.com].

glengara




msg:838270
 3:58 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

*.. since banned sites arent banned for content.*

Was heavy affiliate content not one of the reasons for some sites getting dropped?

soapystar




msg:838271
 4:55 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Was heavy affiliate content not one of the reasons for some sites getting dropped?<

since those same affiliate sites are going back up with identical content but different domains it doesnt look like it..:-)

hedd gwynfor




msg:838272
 6:29 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well our site has been banned for 5 months, so I gather that there is still a chance, as I seriously cannot see where we are going wrong.

Regarding SEO's what they could do is research Yahoo's rules, take notes from sites that have been banned, and one's that have been re-inluded, and then after collecting all of the informtion, getting paid to go through a company's site with a fine comb to see where the problems are, and to advise on changes that need to be made to ge the site re-included.

By The way I Know that our site is banned, Yahoo have told us that much.

With our site, everything was fine (well average with decent rankings) until we started a Site Match account and spent 500! Everything was great for the first few operational days, very high ranking under our keywords, loads of feedback and so on, and then suddenly, overnight, every single page dissapeared. And that's the situation still with 300 odd clicks still left in our account, but impossible to use!

I've heard from a credible source, that there will not be an appel process installed, but rather a programme that will re-include a banned site after it has passed a certain automated test. i.e. if the correct changes are done to a site after being banned, it will be re-included. Any one else heard rumours?

glengara




msg:838273
 7:28 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

*since those same affiliate sites are going back up with identical content but different domains it doesnt look like it..:-)*

So what got them pinged in the first place?

DaveAtIFG




msg:838274
 8:39 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've heard from a credible source, that there will not be an appel process installed, but rather a programme that will re-include a banned site after it has passed a certain automated test. i.e. if the correct changes are done to a site after being banned, it will be re-included.
Yahoo has been inviting site review requests since they deployed YST in March, via email. Reports as to the effectiveness of these reviews have been mixed. The review process is unlikely to be automated IMHO.
wellzy




msg:838275
 12:07 pm on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I run a clean website that was banned by Y for no apparent reason. I e-mailed them back and forth and they re-reviewed it. They told me after looking at it again, it still did not meet their guidelines. I have no idea why (they didn't say). About two weeks after that I noticed a spike and traffic and when I check my logs it was from Y. I now get an incredible amount of traffic from them.

It just shows you that you can get back in. Not sure if this was a fluke or not.

wellzy

lufc1955




msg:838276
 9:40 am on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Soapystar

Our site was banned as soon as Yahoo switched from Google results. I was guessing at 6 months. I sent an email to Yahoo as soon as the address appeared on this forum. Our site was reinstated about 3 weeks ago and gradually more pages are appearing in the index. I never found out the reason for the ban... I just got the standard reply from Yahoo saying that our site had been banned but they gave no reasons. I made no fundamental changes to our site ... so I am guessing that Yahoo had banned us in error and they have since changed their algo. So.. it seems there is hope.

Brett_Tabke




msg:838277
 11:31 am on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

>I run a clean website that was banned by Y for no apparent reason.

doubtful. There was a huge thread in here a few months back by a "clean site", that had some of the worst content on it cloaked that I had ever seen.

Throw the sites root in for paid inclusions - that will trigger a hand review. Pretty cheap insurance.

goodroi




msg:838278
 2:06 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Be careful with paid inclusion, it does guarantee a manual review. If your site is breaking the rules, they will accept your paid inclusion and kill your other stuff.

A client was banned from Yahoo. So I started a fresh domain and it was pulling in great traffic. My client without consulting me started paid inclusion. The end result was my site was killed, the paid inclsuion was accepted and their traffic is a tenth of what I was delivering.

soapystar




msg:838279
 3:56 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

lufc1955

do you comnpete with any high profile Yahoo products?....some may suggest that to head off any bad publicity that may be coming their way and gaining momentum because of the apparent culling of swaves of sites that they may be relaxing guidelines for non-competeing sites....

lufc1955




msg:838280
 4:17 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Soapystar

Our site is in travel and they don't come any more competative than that!

travelin cat




msg:838281
 4:35 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

lufc1955, we too are in travel and are not banned, but our serps show up on the 4th and 5th page for keywords that are in the top 5 searches on Google.

This happened about 2.5 months ago after we started to steadily crawl up the rankings. Looks like someone manually looked at our site and decided to make us unfindable.

soapystar




msg:838282
 4:35 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

lufc1955

interesting.....having an email saying you are penalised isnt confirmation of one though..they seem to be confused themselves..did you have all the other signs of a ban?...i.e. search for domain didnt pull your site..robots only file spidered?

soapystar




msg:838283
 5:08 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

travelin cat

is it not possible that two different algo's place you in two different positions?

travelin cat




msg:838284
 5:28 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

soapystar, Yes this is certainly possible, but our index page has been removed as well as our major destination pages, no serps at all on them.

The only pages remaining (out of 400+) are ones with hardly any competition such as "travel to Sri Lanka" where we still exist and have decent serps. But phrases for such things as "travel to Paris" are totally gone....

soapystar




msg:838285
 9:33 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

well hand manipulation of serps has certainly been talked about before.......

tictoc




msg:838286
 12:04 am on Sep 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

doubtful

Brett I will have to disagree with you on this one unless it comes down to the spam redirect sites hurting the sites that were in Y!. I paid for sitematch, tried to submit free, advertised in the directory, and tried just about everything and still have no clue to why my site is banned in Yahoo.

lufc1955




msg:838287
 7:31 am on Sep 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Soapystar

I am sure it was a ban.... a search for our domain name produced no results. We previously had an Inktomi account. There has been much speculation about whether this has caused a problem. Maybe they have fixed this problem?

lufc1955




msg:838288
 8:00 am on Sep 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

travelin cat

I don't agree that the serps have been manually adjusted for your travel site. We feature on page 1 in Google and Yahoo for many search terms. You will have to consider other reasons.

travelin cat




msg:838289
 3:33 pm on Sep 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

lufc1955,

Thanks for the input. We have requested a review from Yahoo. They said it could take 4-6 weeks and it has been 3. We'll see.....

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