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Yahoo Search has new interface...
http://new.search.yahoo.com/
javahava




msg:842728
 4:09 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

[new.search.yahoo.com...]

Kinda resembles the look of Google's results; even uses a similar shade of light blue to differentiate the advertisers.

 

Yahoo_Mike




msg:842729
 8:38 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Lots of good things here to make finding info easier, including making the search results quicker to scan and easier to read. Also, you'll notice the Search Views feature above the Search box, which should help folks focus their results from everything to image search to yellow pages.

We encourage the participants on this board to tell us what you think?

[search.surveys.yahoo.com...]

webdevsf




msg:842730
 8:53 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Too much PPC above the fold makes me sad. :(

Chndru




msg:842731
 9:26 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Now they are showing,

Results 1 - 20 of about 76,800,000 for ***

also, [tools.search.yahoo.com...]

Wonder, why Yahoo! thinks that Yahoo! users want Google-ish feel?

Jimville




msg:842732
 10:14 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does the new look mean that Yahoo's technical problems are fixed?

enotalone




msg:842733
 12:18 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

for sure it looks Googleish, would be better respected, understood and accepted if you came up with something unique! common you can do it, you do not have to copy google.

Yahoo_Mike




msg:842734
 1:45 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Enotalone, I would argue that the “'Also Try” feature is certainly unique. We’re finding it really helps people refine their search queries for more accurate results. For example, try doing a search for “Florence.” The Also Try feature will suggest “Florance, Italy” then “Hotels in Florence, Italy.” Automatically you’ll notice the hotels search shortcut is triggered and right at the top of the results the user can see the three most popular hotels in Florence, Italy with pricing, booking, etc.

This combo of Also Try and Search Shortcuts is a really powerful -- and unique -- way to help users pinpoint and get exactly what they want. That is, verses a search query that just generates a bunch of websites. Anyway, try it out, I think you'll find it helpful.

enotalone




msg:842735
 3:17 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

i missed that feature totally, and sorry i jumped into conclusion. for some reason i like the old layout better, it was certainly unique. the new one is much better for the eye though.

ok, the outside of yahoo changed, but when the inside is going to change Mike? it takes centuries to get a reply for our sites that are in yahoo yet not in yahoo. I cut my hopes that i will get this resolved during my lifetime and included a paragraph in my will for my grandsons to keep my email active and check it daily in case yahoo responds and clarifies something.

Visit Thailand




msg:842736
 3:27 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

What is Google? For me G is simply uncluttered and I like that. For that reason I like the new look from Y, looks comfortable and easy to use I do not see that as copying anyone.

Do agree that sometimes there is far too much above the actual results that are non ppc or promotional.

Would prefer to see all promos or ads on the left and real searches shown top of page.

Chndru




msg:842737
 3:33 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Visit Thailand,

regarding striking similar UI, it's ok to copy ideas to have a clean and uncluttered interface. But, the implementation, like elimination of the tabs and replacing it with links, and uniform color for sponsored ad boxes is imho, a bit too much.

It just don't have the value factor for me to even try to search in yahoo, though i been using yahoo for several purposes, for the past 6+ yrs.

enotalone




msg:842738
 3:39 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

i still see it very much google guys, sorry.
that search recommendation is a great tool.

however, still even with my large screen i see huge portion of my screen occupied with stuff i did not ask for! ads in the middle (worst thing probably for me about the new layout) on the right, recommendations. these elements are nice or necessary but they occupy way too much real estate on the new layout, probably like 25-30% at lest if not much more in smaller screens? something like that is not directly linked to what user is looking for! the search results; the actual pages.

also the recommendation feature is good and accurate if you search for 'Florence', but when i searched for armenia and hit show all in included some suggestions that make no sense because there are no such things. in another word recommendation feature needs to be little smoother for sure.

see the good think about google is that they build such a brand man when i think clear i see google, when i think accurate i see google, when i think no pushy in their ads again i see google... and so on.

i personally never used yahoo at least as long as google is around and layout change will for sure not effect that. i have had troubles in numerous occasions with google search, web services, adsense and whenever i wrote to them i got a reply that actually helped in less than 24 hours. i did my best this last 6 months to figure out my yahoo trouble, contacted your guys numerous time Mike. i even pmed you here months ago twice asking for guidance and you did not even care to answer and say something like "sorry i am busy" etc. that is what i care first about yahoo as a webmaster, not your googleish color schema or layout.

i know i am going off the topic yet i hope Y! gets the idea. anyway, i will go back now to greping my logs for Yahoo! Slurp.

mfishy




msg:842739
 5:22 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

With my current settings, all I see are ads unless I scroll down. Why not get rid of the garbage and bump the SERPS up towards the top of the page?

tomkee




msg:842740
 5:28 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I like it. Much better than the new M$ search engine anyway.

steve40




msg:842741
 5:49 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Mike
Definate Improvement , bit googlish but thats fine think about trainers from different manufacturers many are very similar as that is what people want,

My only gripe is the top PPC adds do sometimes obscure results and although it's good for advertisers with the true serps below the fold could be negative with searchers over medium to long term

Take joe surfer with 800 X 600 set
I.E. whatever he searches for he may allways see the same results in view on yahoo , if he does not scroll down over a period of time he may leave Yahoo as he does not even realise truly relevent results for his query can be seen if he scrolls down the page so medium to long term he may leave yahoo and move back to Google etc.
Unsure how you could ensure if placing adds only at the side how to stop looking even more like G but hey glad to say your problem not mine
steve

anchordesk




msg:842742
 5:51 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Two thumbs up! Another reason Yahoo stock is doing well ... bright future ahead.

graywolf




msg:842743
 5:52 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Too much PPC in 1024 has to look worse in 800.

subway




msg:842744
 5:58 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>> With my current settings, all I see are ads

At least they *are* obvious. I like it, it's a vast improvement.

randallxski




msg:842745
 6:03 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I like it. Much better than the new M$ search engine anyway.

Yea, at least this one works. The other has given me an error every time I've tried it.

grelmar




msg:842746
 6:19 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Very nice. I would prefer the ppc to all be on the side, but hey, a free service has to pay for itself somehow, and it looks like an effort has been made to limit the amount of PPC on the search, and they are very clearly delineated.

The front page is nice. Les stark than google search, which is going to appeal to a big audience that likes colors and graphics and a "GUIer" feel, but at the same time, manages to be very clean and fast loading, for all us tech-heads out there.

Well done. When it gets rolled out fully, it will definitely find its way into my SE bookmarks. Which says a lot, because right now that space is reserved for specialized engines and google alone.

Kicks the MSN search's butt around the block.

jimbeetle




msg:842747
 6:20 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Instead of Google, Yahoo's new SERPs and functionality strikes me as being much more similar to Ask with some of its "tabless" search features and drill down suggestions.

And the real estate taken up by sponsored results for some popular searches appears to be about the same.

blaze




msg:842748
 6:36 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Also try is cool, but

PPC above the fold fundamentally means that Yahoo clearly has no "Do No Evil" motto.

Actually, someone should sue Yahoo for copyright infringement because they really don't add a lot to their "Fair Use" infringements..

ownerrim




msg:842749
 6:44 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

why not call it something like Adhoo!, or for our swedish audience "Ya--you like ads? We got lots of ads--hoo!?

Can you say altavista?

Symbios




msg:842750
 6:48 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Opening page looks good and I like the little navigation bar on the left.

I'm not seeing the ads, is that because I'm in the UK.

SERPS look pretty much the same so I'm guessing there's no new algo to play with, also will you be updating your algo and stop manually banning sites because they participate in commonly used link exchange programmes and I'm not talking about automated links being added or link farms.

martinibuster




msg:842751
 6:49 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I kind of like this [martinibuster.com] Yahoo look. Much cleaner and easier to navigate than the current Yahoo home page.

OrlandoTodd




msg:842752
 7:04 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hmm.. I actually see more real listings with the new layout. Old search I see 1st line of #2.. on the new I see 1st line of #3. Cleaner too. Definately Googlish, but what's wrong with that, I like Google.

mcavill




msg:842753
 7:35 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I like the left tabs, it looks clean, and I didn't really think it looks that much more like google verses the old Y!, but anyway.

I'm guessing the search box interface on the other areas is just up there for beta testing - I understand the search side of it - if you're searching - type something in a box, click go - didn't find what you want, refine your search, or go somewhere else and try again.

I'd think the news, maps, directory, finance?, are the sorts of area people like to browse, and have search facility.

I know when I'm looking around for general news, I'll head to the bbc / reuters / cnn / google, read the headlines, and browse a few categories I'm interested in - I wouldn't really type anything in a search box unless I'm researching a topic and then I'd probably use the general web search box and expect relevant articles returned as part of those results.

mahlon




msg:842754
 8:21 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I noticed a URL extending all the way over into a PPC box.

atadams




msg:842755
 8:29 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

When did Google buy Yahoo?

christopher w




msg:842756
 8:43 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Initial page looks great - very slick (so what if it looks similar to G).

The results pages are a mess though - all you really see are PPC / Sponsored before scrolling down (even on 1020)..

Not good :(

thomas858




msg:842757
 9:23 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Yahoo_Mike,

I like the clean and attractive layout (probably because I'm outside the US:) from new.search.yahoo.com, although I have some remarks to do:

  • as a searcher, I would expect a link to the search syntax (http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/basics/basics-04.html) on the homepage (new.search.yahoo.com) and not buried somewere else three clicks away (if you know already where is it:).
  • it is sad the yahoo does still not support the altavista and alltheweb powerful search syntaxes, after all yahoo payed dearly for overture, which owned those technologies and the experts who created them... It follows the missing search syntax, which would make yahoo a superb search engine:
    1. proximity operators: within #, ~~ #, <, <~, >, >~, *, NEAR (from altavista)
    2. truncation operators: *, ** (from altavista)
    3. anchor:, applet:, image:, link:, object:, text: (from altavista)
    4. language:, link: (or link.all:), filesize:, filetype: (this operator 'works' on yahoo, but is showing google serps), text: (or normal.text:) (from alltheweb)

Nevertheless inktomi has a quite good search syntax and that is what keeps me using yahoo:
  • depth:[number], domain:, feature:acrobat, feature:activex, feature:applet, feature:audio, feature:flash, feature:form, feature:frame, feature:homepage, feature:image, feature:index, feature:javascript, feature:meta, feature:shockwave, feature:script, feature:table, feature:title, feature:video, feature:vrml, link:, linkdomain:, linkextension:, originurl:, originurlextension:, originurlpath:, outgoingurltype:[url_type], path:, region:africa, region:asia, region:centralamerica, region:downunder, region:europe, region:mediterranean, region:mideast, region:northamerica, region:southamerica, region:southeastasia, stem: and title:.

It is a pity that yahoo didn't took the time to build a page documenting the previous search syntax...

The search by date is also somewhat limited, there is no way, as far as I know, of searching for pages before or between a date range... and, in this case, once upon a time inktomi had a powerful search syntax:

  • before:, after: and within:.

I wish success to the new yahoo search engine. I will look forward to see the implementation of the altavista and alltheweb powerful search syntax, after all yahoo already has the experts!

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