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Yahoo Search has new interface...
http://new.search.yahoo.com/
javahava




msg:842728
 4:09 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

[new.search.yahoo.com...]

Kinda resembles the look of Google's results; even uses a similar shade of light blue to differentiate the advertisers.

 

ILuvSrchEngines




msg:842758
 9:27 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am running 1024x768 and it looks like more than 2/3 of the page now has nothing to do with the natural search!

I can sum this up in one word...moronic.

Why do you wish to go down the same failed path as greedy Google? Have you guys been hiring idiot google suits as they jump ship?

Looks like MSN is the last best hope of any sanity being left in the concept of a "SEARCH ENGINE".

GREED KILLS

2_much




msg:842759
 10:03 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think this is a great look & feel, I have a feeling it'll bring more and more searchers to Yahoo.

That was one complaint I had about Yahoo, and the only reason I didn't use their toolbar - the design was clunky, too cluttered, not easy too use. I want to get results quickly and I want them easy on my eyes and brain - that's my underlying thought when I'm surfing.

I think this new design fulfills that purpose. The only way to know will be to observe their traffic, how many visitors / users they gain compared to Google / MSN.

celerityfm




msg:842760
 10:22 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I coulda sworn that this is old and originally showed up in April of last year... or am I mistaken?

Using Yahoo search: [new.search.yahoo.com ] I see several links dating back that far to this new site.

Unless I just THINK I've seen it before. Hum.

mcavill




msg:842761
 11:10 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've got a double quesion:

Seems to me, anything that gets popular that's based on an algo is going to get spammed:

and anything that's human edited will get whinged about because its not quick enough;

- where's the middle ground?


Looks like MSN is the last best hope of any sanity being left in the concept of a "SEARCH ENGINE".

GREED KILLS


Honestly do you really think that MSN is the best way forward?

I know they can install whatever they want on Win23 based PC's etc (IMO,etc:)), but that didn't stop google becoming what it is, or hopefully someother SE providing more relevant than the big g.

I still think there's too much M$ bashing, just besaise they are what they are......


Looks like MSN is the last best hope of any sanity being left in the concept of a "SEARCH ENGINE".

Honestly do you really think that MSN is the best way forward?
IMHO, nope - but it's nice to have some potential competition.

[Fixed formatting, hope I got it right - Woz]

[edited by: Woz at 5:00 am (utc) on July 3, 2004]
[edit reason] Formatting [/edit]

gomer




msg:842762
 12:24 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think the changes are an improvement because it is much more clear which results are ads and which results are organic search results.

It is obvious how Yahoo's new look can be made better still - fewer ads or ads with less verbage.

I think it is interesting how MSN and Yahoo are moving to the colored boxes which was surely inspired by Google. Google on the other hand thought it was a better idea to blur the line between ads and organic listings so they removed the colored boxes for their ads. MSN and Yahoo have it right in my opinion.

spharalsia




msg:842763
 3:48 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

A remarkable improvement over the old interface. I like the ability to add or remove tabs -- any option to customize is very cool. Strikingly similar to Google, especially the advanced search interface (I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery). I also like that the PPC ads are more clearly distinguished from the search results. Personally, I'd prefer Yahoo and other PPC providers to go a step further and clearly label those results as "advertising."

Although I think this new search interface is a big improvement (largely because it borrows the best of G and adds some innovations of its own), I agree with others here who cite the large number of above-the-fold ads as a major downside for users. Frankly, the reason I have my browser home page set to Google rather than Yahoo! is that I don't want to scroll down through the ads every time results are returned. It seems obvious that Y! will grab more ad revenue with ads on top of results, but it'll never dominate Google in terms of total users as long as the ads dominate search results. In the long run, is higher ad revenue worth the cost of always being the #2 search engine? I guess it depends on how much smaller the #2 user base is compared to the #1 position.

Slone




msg:842764
 5:00 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Too much PPC above the fold makes me sad.

I have heard this from clients as well. I also have thought there is just too much PPC at the top. devalues the search results in my opinion.

Anyway - nice changes.

ILuvSrchEngines




msg:842765
 5:14 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have heard this from clients as well. I also have thought there is just too much PPC at the top. devalues the search results in my opinion.

Any webmaster knows too many ads on a page is stupid, but VPs and CEOs get greedy and think they are smarter than everyone else. I would never cover the page of any web site I work on with 2/3s of a page of ads. No one in their right mind would. But that won't stop greedy CEOs, etc...willing to burn bright on paper for a few quarters, while in the end losing market share.

The extra traffic Yahoo has gotten for free lately is because Google has already gone down that path. People can just as easily move to MSN or somewhere else if Yahoo wants to emulate the Google greed model.

percentages




msg:842766
 8:20 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Help me out-

How is: [new.search.yahoo.com...]

Any different from: [search.yahoo.com...]

except the sponsored (1 to possibly 4) results at the top now have a light blue background, and the sponsorship is in someways hidden a little more?

IMHO making the sponsored results look like a banner ad (blue table bg) will not help them, or the sponsors!

I say, bring it on. Free SERP's will be the winners from this attempt :)

mikeD




msg:842767
 11:58 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would like it if I could get any of my websites in Yahoo. They get crawled more than by googlebot, and have absolutely no nasty bits in the code. One site is listed in the Yahoo directory but that doesn't even get fully indexed by Yahoo. This is a pr6 website with lots of good incoming links.

suidas




msg:842768
 12:37 pm on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Someone said the "try also" was a great new feature. I just want to note that they took that from Gigablast. It's too bad when the little guy gets his ideas appropriated by the big guys...

Dayo_UK




msg:842769
 12:45 pm on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

mikeD

100% agree - Yahoo should concentrate on getting more sites and pages indexed......

Larryhat




msg:842770
 12:48 pm on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think Gigablast is a great little engine. In a way, it replaces what Altavista used to be. I research UFOs and I'm always looking for lost places in Ananaguay or Whackistan. When Google and Yerhoo came up dry, I would try AV and sometimes I got real lucky .. little lost resources that the big guys just overlooked.

I hope Gigablast fills that void, like the small shop that _sometimes_ has just what you need. -LH

Roomy




msg:842771
 2:06 pm on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am amazed how similar to G it is.. I'm happy to say it's indexing my site higher than my long time rivals in G for the same keyphrases. G still gives way to much weight to a big TLD that has the odd tiny subdomain that is on topic.

I have noticed an increase in traffic from Yahoo and they are beginning to eat into G's lead for serp referals.

I like the tab editor feature aswell very neat, and dare I say it unique

Keep up the good work

mikeD




msg:842772
 4:24 pm on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's too bad when the little guy gets his ideas appropriated by the big guys

In total agreement, all Yahoo ever does is copy Google and other original thinking web companies. Or buy them if that doesn't work (kelkoo for example).

Yahoo really remind of microsoft's practices these days. Just a pure commercial operation which will kill free thought and individual success on the web.

helenp




msg:842773
 11:18 pm on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK: 100% agree - Yahoo should concentrate on getting more sites and pages indexed......

>>>>>>>>>>
Strange, if comparing number yahoo seems to have more pages indexed than google,
searched for travel:
Yahoo = 219.000.000
google = 169.000.000

Searched for web hosting:
yahoo = 127.000.000
google = 7.460.000

How to see how many pages indexed in yahoo as one can see on googles homepage?

mikeD




msg:842774
 12:51 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo = 219.000.000
google = 169.000.000

Searched for web hosting:
yahoo = 127.000.000
google = 7.460.000

How to see how many pages indexed in yahoo as one can see on googles homepage?

yahoo can produce all the stats they want, doesn't make it true.

I think the proof of the pudding is the fact so many webmasters on ww can't get their sites indexed in Yahoo. Surely this suggets something is worng with Yahoo's algo.

Of course I expect the Yahoo's die hards to disagree with this. The fact is Google was the first SE to provide an employee to visit this forum and help it's members.

Guess what, Yahoo copied this. If Yahoo ever has an original idea I will shoot myself.

Tim




msg:842775
 2:58 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Edited as I want to keep this thread on topic...

[edited by: Tim at 3:49 am (utc) on July 4, 2004]

Tim




msg:842776
 4:09 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey MikeD,
Something we have surfaced in the new design is the shortcut link on the top left of the page. This link will teach people how to enter Yahoo shortcuts into the search box. There are a lot of cool features here that are unique to Yahoo. We have had some of these for a while but they have always been hidden to most people. Check them out and let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Tim

[tools.search.yahoo.com...]

digitalv




msg:842777
 4:16 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo still has a search engine? :)

MLHmptn




msg:842778
 5:53 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Quite honestly I like yahoo better than I like google! PR is the biggest joke method I have ever heard of for ranking sites! On google you can have some site that has nothing to do with the keyword referenced in a search that has high PR and its in the top 10 even though it has very little content associated with the keyword. Meanwhile you have sites that literally have hundreds of different widgets and because this other site has a high PR and does not have as many relevant widgets it gets ranked before the more relevant site! Now I'm sure 99% of you would rather browse a site that has say 50 different types of this widget than a site that has 10 different types?! And because the site with 10 different types has a PR of 8 it gets ranked before a more relevant site? I have high praise for Yahoo and my only complaint about Yahoo is its SERPS sure do jump around a lot lately. Google on the other hand you might as well pay some SEO top dollar to figure out their monthly algorithm if you don't want to pay PPC!

Thank you Yahoo for your search services! I have seen a steady increase with referrals from Yahoo! At present I am currently seeing an average of 58% of my referrals from Yahoo! Google has steadily dropped in my referrals since the Brandy update and I have had to resort to PPC on google just to get any traffic from it and its search network! Quite honestly I think google has changed its algorithm to make more people use PPC. It certainly has done that me!

johnnstacy1




msg:842779
 7:10 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I haven't had a chance to read everyones post yet but just reading over the first page and listening to Yahoo's comments about their site makeover, I can't resist. What it looks like to me is Yahoo going from a nonbiased engine of the past to a "Get money any way we can" search engine of the future. Search for a hotel by city and click on any of the "Most Popular Hotels in the city" at the top of the page will just get you Yahoo's xml affiliate booking engine and directly below it you can click on the "Hotels by Popularity, Price" which is the full version of their affiliate booking engine. Then we come to the Overture ads which take up another 30% of the vertical space. So let's see, more than halfway down the page.....oh there they are....the rest of the internet results. We won't even talk about the right side of the page.

mikeD




msg:842780
 11:00 am on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I admit Yahoo has created a few nice little touches to it's search engine Tim. And I am not bashing it just because Yahoo is a large corporation (I'm not a communist).

I just think Yahoo should get the basics fixed first before adding any fancy bits. Yahoo is crawling my websites everyday (more than googlebot) but just wont index certain parts of the websites (commercial parts).

I would just like some clarification on whether Yahoo search is free for commercial websites.

I really do hope Yahoo gets it right and produces a free search engine which beats Google. I have no problem with that and think Yahoo is great for email and so fourth.

But from my personal experience it's not working as well as Google on the core elements. Getting your new content into a search engine in a timely manner is a core element.

wellzy




msg:842781
 12:40 pm on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

They still have too many sponsored results up top. At least in G users can see the first few organic results right away.

wellzy

helenp




msg:842782
 1:08 pm on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just discovered that they donīt display the same results in the diferent designs, supose diferent databases.

Searched for my company name and then view more pages from this site, and there are 4 pages in normal design, and 4 pages as well in new design, but diferents pages..........(this I commented in thread [webmasterworld.com...]

And in mozilla firebird, the link to test the beta design is haredly viewble, only the top of the text is seen, (if you know it should be there)

oldskool79




msg:842783
 3:14 pm on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Search took 0.15 seconds."

Why do they bother to tell you this. Does anyone really care?

Namaste




msg:842784
 5:55 pm on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I find it slow. It is taking irritatingly long to do an indepth search.

It is also obvious from the search that the Yahoo bot is not not crawling deap. A search for widgets chicago, gives results of deep pages in Google, whereas in Yahoo the results are mainly top pages...and the minute the results are deep, Yahoo is inaccurate. I'm continuing with Google for now.

Robert Charlton




msg:842785
 6:14 pm on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Something we have surfaced in the new design is the shortcut link on the top left of the page. This link will teach people how to enter Yahoo shortcuts into the search box.

Tim - The shortcuts are great, and I like the shortcuts page. The link to the shortcuts, btw, is in the top right of the page. I'm sure you debated about what to call them. I'm not sure that "shortcuts" does it exactly... doesn't convey that these are extra features. Once you know what they are, "shortcuts" describes them. Before you know, "shortcuts" really isn't descriptive.

One shortcut that jumps out as one that could be improved... the zip code shortcut. It's of very limited use to get a list of all the zip codes in a city. Would be much more useful to be able to type in an address and get the zip code.

About the serps page overall, it's easy on the eye and functional. Yes, it does resemble Google, though it should be mentioned that there's also light blue-grey shading on WebmasterWorld and in Windows. The other direction you might have gone is toward the old AllTheWeb design, which I liked a lot.

As has been mentioned here (and probably not your decision), I think that there are too many paid results above the fold.

As I've brought up before, returning Yahoo directory titles in the crawler based serps puts those sites that are listed in the directory at a competitive disadvantage. You'd mentioned it would be addressed. What's the status of this?

Advanced search features are a bit of a disappointment. It would be great to have even part of what you once had on AllTheWeb.

Not to take this off topic, I've got to agree with MikeD about the speed of indexing.

Tim




msg:842786
 6:42 pm on Jul 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes Robert that would be the other left hand side of the page :-)

MikeD- I would try submitting a few of the pages that are not being crawled by Slurp to the Freeaddurl and see if the crawler picks those up in the next few days. Would be interested to hear what happens. This is obviously a quick fix and not a general solution.

We have had a lot of feedback on this forum about our discovery of new sites, the depth of our crawl and our editorial policy. These are a priority for us and we are making significant improvements in these areas. The Search results page changes tend to reach the user a little quicker than content system changes though so you are seeing these first.

kapow




msg:842787
 8:41 am on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo - If you make it look like google (with more Ads) don't you think your audience will just think 'New Yahoo is like Google with more Ads, I may as well go to Google instead'.

You've got to do something that makes people think its better than Google, e.g. why don't you start off with less ads than Google - that will get people saying 'Ooo its like google but with less ads'. Then 6 months later of course you'll increase those Ads.

Just adding a few fun tools here are there is not going to get the avarage searcher thinking your're better than Google - and you've got to make them think you're better.

helenp




msg:842788
 10:05 am on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Charlton: As I've brought up before, returning Yahoo directory titles in the crawler based serps puts those sites that are listed in the directory at a competitive disadvantage. You'd mentioned it would be addressed. What's the status of this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Seems is being fixed, manually? or bit by bit, rolling?

Search for reviews hotels the top company has their page titles in. The rest still their directory title.

About the new design, I like it more than the old,
only that the "button" images, web etc, arenīt easy to see, maybe the need some color or any border around them, itīs sort of to many small things at the top.

The light blue color is very nice.

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