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Dropping the sites from yahoo
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 9:59 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)


Like google now yahoo also dropping the sites from serp's as not showing yahoo directory listing also. But if you checks through site search then only it will return the directory listing in yahoo. Any also experiencing the same...?




 10:41 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)



 2:12 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

you are describing a penalty. Unlike google you will be banned for life unless lodging a succesful appeal. When you hover over the title of your site when bringing up the directory listing with a domain name search, do you see an OCS number?


 2:18 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)


What do you think the OCS number means?


 3:40 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good observation soapystar.

Its got me thinking what it could mean too...

Maybe its related to the fact that it moves your website "Off Computer Screens" that use Y! I think its nothing other than an "Outrageous Censorship System", simply because Y! don't really want "Optimised Competitive stuff" in their index.


 4:25 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

LOL, i was trying to think of some funny abbreviations too!

wasnt my catch though, it was helenp..



 5:33 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

So what is the significance of or difference between SS= and OCS= when you hover over the title?


 5:37 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

nobody knows..or at least if they do they havent said as far as ocs goes..so far all the penalised sites seem to have it


 5:46 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think the OCS means a penalty. If you do searches for only individual sites, showing in the regular results, I believe it shows up. Correct me if I am wrong. Yahoo-Watch and Kackle might know what it means. Lot of coding on Yahoo's part for some reason though.


 5:50 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'd like to know what OCS is, but I don't think it has anything to do with penalties.

I've found dozens of sites that have OCS in the link after a domain search that are not penalized.

Just do a search for a phrase and then start doing domain searches for the sites that are returned.


 6:19 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

but what is the number after the ocs?


 6:20 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well there are diferent OCS, all penalized sites Iīve seen has the same OCS=188176.

In fact an site I reported for days ago, has OCS=188176 but shows up in serps, actualizing the index will thell if that number of OCS means excluding.

If you check for http:www.yahoo.com and google.com you will se they have an OCS with another number, suposed that number means authority site...

webmasterworld donīt ave any OCS.

SS as far as I seen meens that site is in directory.

Anybody knows how I could have an hit from yahoo with keywords when it donīīt have yahoo.search as referer? - - [20/Apr/2004:19:50:36 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 14398 "http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/
K=keyword+for+keyword/v=2/TID=DF5H_30/SID=e/l=WS1/R=4/OCS=188176/H=0/*-http://www.mydomain.com/" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.16; Mac_PowerPC)"
I think R=4 means that my site was 4th on the list, if so, oh my god, in google I donīt think anybody finds my site with such keywords without mention the city.

normally itīs like this - - [19/Apr/2004:12:58:29 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 14398 "http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=keyword+keyword&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0)"


 7:29 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Might be something on this OCS thing but I doubt it. I'm banned and on a domain search only mine says OCS 75192?


 7:52 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)


75192 is the same as google and yahoo and (other sites with search engine optimation and design, I think after researched)

75192 is the category? or authority site?
what is your site about?

maybe my OCS means travel?
but only some few travel sites has OCS=188176

Maybe your sites got reviewed and is accepted.
Anyway the most sites donīt have OCS so must meen something special.
I donīt have sitematch (to expensive) or directory listing.

Edited: No canīt be category, famous search engine is out of serps and has same as me OCS=188176


 10:10 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

75192 - My site is loosely based around website building and sits rather deeply inside the yahoo directory (on an old URL at that). No shortage of sites that mention me in the serps but otherwise just not showing there at all and to be honest I can't see any reason why that should be - pages are clean. I have other domains but they're all on 301 directs anyway - unless THATS a factor.

I guess the Google backfill was keeping me on Yahoo but I'm loathe to even try sitematch with things the way they are - looks too much like russian roulette.


 10:15 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

website building ...... thats the OCS number?

the 301 is a fact? O yes if I understood you correctly,
yahoo has troubbles with some sites 301,
canīt say if thats your case.


 11:59 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)


No idea if website building relates to that number or not. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if theres anything to glean from the string as to whether a site is penalised or not. It does seem odd to be so buried inside the directory with an ancient URL and not even exist in the serps.

Is it Yahoo dropping sites or is it the dreaded INK ban with no recourse? From what I glean from other posts, with a ban you can part with money through sitematch and lose it. You also seem to have little chance of actually discovering WHY you've been dropped and thats where the entire process is falling over at the moment.

Some of the most useful sites around I can no longer find on Yahoo so presumably they too have suffered a similar fate. Just how all this will resolve itself I don't know but its hardly a great ad for Yahoo. Its also dire for the user too.


 7:39 am on Apr 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

sorry to bother you all but how can i check my site OCS number, should i send a request to yahoo for the explanation or what shud i do...?




 7:47 am on Apr 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site has SS=92239317 for home page. Does it mean my site did not get any penalty...?



 7:51 am on Apr 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you read above... you could see that I think SS= means you are in yahoo directory. Donīt think yahoo will explain the OCS number :)


 7:58 am on Apr 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks Helenp,

Shud i send a request for this problem with my site to yahoo "why my site is not listed in SERP's". Do you think this is the temporary problem with the site or something else. Am i missing something here.
Pls suggest



 10:35 am on Apr 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Do you think this is the temporary problem with the site or something else. >>>
Actually I donīt know.
The only thing thatīs seems to be an penalty without doubting, is slurp reading only your robots.txt.
If you think you could been penalized, I would write them for an apealing.


 6:17 pm on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, just done an small research on the OCS thing, though thought that maybe meant site penalized, checking everyday to see if my OCS number changed, crossing my fingers.

But no way that OCS 188176 means tpenalized.
Actually I think that the OCS number is an canalization for categories, think could be from Dmoz.

I checked for travel europe, and all sites I seen with OCS number had number 188176, went to DMOZ and checked two sites without OCS number, and these two sites were not listed in DMOZ.

Then I checked travel USA, and all sites not in yahoo directory or in DMOZ had OCS 188733, sites in yahoo directory had OCS 158437.

I do not think the OCS is ip based though my site is about europe, but hosted in USA,
So I think the OCS maybe could be DMOZ regional categories.

The Contractor

 6:41 pm on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, had a site drop from Yahoo and MSN on the 16th. These were NOT PFI sites. It still shows it has 4,200+ pages in when searching for www.domain.com and choosing "more pages from this site". Besides that it is gone....

Site was in INK, AltaVista, MSN, and ATW for almost 3 years and doing fine. Site has had no changes besides addition of content in the past year (went through a redesign a year ago). Was always crawled daily by slurp and yahoo slurp when they changed over.

Just thankful Google traffic has picked up the slack that was lost with Yahoo and MSN.

Oh yeah, it also is listed in Yahoo directory.

Does not have the OCS and it is listed in DMOZ.
shows as: rds.yahoo.com/S=96062852/K=URLwords/v=2/TID=F271_45/SID=w/l=DS1/R=1/TR=17/SS=96366693/*-http://www.domain.com/


 6:53 pm on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I only checked travel sites.......
donīt know but all had same pattern,

but do not mean penalized........
though I did an search for word travel europe, then wrote the url in
diferent yahoo window.
and those with 188176 was all in serp.....


 6:59 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)


Same situation with me. I can find bits and pieces of six sites that were dropped but when using the url:http://www. command it comes up empty, no listing found. Three of them are still listed in the directory. They were not Site Match, but were PFI through inktomi. Had good placements ever since Yahoo switched over from Google results, everything was quite stable then Monday night they were just pulled out.

I can’t think of any reason except some of the sites were about similar topics; Duplicate content penalty? If that’s it boy there guidelines are brutal, they were unique sites all offering different information. Anyone have advice on how best to reach out and appeal this? I did send an e-mail to 'webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com', but nothing yet. I do have other sites, that are still there.

The Contractor

 8:39 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

No, I believe they dumped a bunch of sites that were NOT PFI when they dropped the PFI sites on the 16th. Was crawled daily by slurp for at least a couple years along with ATW, and AV.

Not worried about penalties, nothing on the site or it's backlinks could provoke a penalty. Funny thing is for a couple weeks before their Yahoo Shopping bot was crawling the heck out of it daily also - this is NOT a shopping site.

Sad to see them do that because I was happy to see Yahoo coming back as a major player using their own results.

Visit Thailand

 3:10 am on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

The Contractor - do you think then this is not a penalty and perhaps just an algo change?

We have the same situation, disappeared from SERPS where we were previously in top 3 or 4, 1st page.

We do have a lot of 301's but they are pretty old now.

add in:

On a conspiracy note could these drops have anything to do with having adsense on the sites?

FYI the drop seem to occur 1st May and Y still has some 20K pages in its index when search by site.


 5:33 am on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Our site has completely vanished from Yahoo SERPs since the switch.

A search for "www.mysite.com.au" returns nothing... however a search for "mysite.com.au" returns several listings under an old subdomain no longer in use - since replaced by a redirect.

In short, "www.oldsubdomain.mysite.com.au" is indexed, however "www.mysite.com.au" is not.

"www.mysite.com.au" has a Y! directory listing and plenty of links pointing to it from other indexed sites as well as ink PFI listings.

Is this drop a penalty based on Y! believing that our original site is duplicate content of the old subdomain redirect site?

I can remove the subdomain all together, however it will mean that the yahoo listings we have would cease to work. Please help, have exhausted my brain trying to figure Y! out!


 7:57 am on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)


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