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Does it really have to do with content guidelines?
cabos




msg:824815
 3:17 am on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Your site is penalized?

Is it really due to content guidelines or a matter of Yahoo Economics?

The sites that webmasters on WebmasterWorld.com have commented about being penalized all tend to be commercial sites, many in areas that Yahoo has their own commerical offerings.

The question this raises is whether these sites are being penalized because Yahoo has determined that certain categories of sites "compete" with Yahoo's own commercial interests?

Yahoo's feedback is read our content guidelines. Webmasters then run to change their sites based on what we think could have triggered a penalty when in fact, it has nothing to do with violating guidelines as many sites that are much more aggresive in link building, key word spamming, etc. show up in the SERPs.

Furthermore, what is the real reason Yahoo wont tell webmasters what guidline has been violated? Yahoo says it is that they will reveal their algo. Is their behind the scenes reasoning that if we say you violated guideline number 2, and you then fix the alleged problem, then they will "have to" include your site in their results - which goes against Yahoo Economics?

 

contentsiteguy




msg:824816
 1:01 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I disagree. Most of the sites that are penalized now had been penalized before yahoo took over by Ink and that includes many noncommercial sites. The problem is that no one pitched a fit until Yahoo took over Ink and their results and applied penalties became way more important trafficwise.

The fact is webmasters didn't react until they saw their traffic drop when Yahoo dropped the google results and kept Ink's penalties, myself included.
We could all have a complete ban in "Joe Schmoe's Search Engine" but you won't hear an uproar like what Yahoo has been getting until Joe Schmoe's starts controlling over 50% of search traffic. Next time an engine penalizes my site, no matter how small, I'm going to figure it out ahead of time.

cabos




msg:824817
 2:14 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

ContentSiteGuy,

That isnt true. Many larger sites have recently received penalties by Yahoo. These arent old Ink penalties.

I know of 2 great sites, rich with content, been on the web for years, probably receive 100,000 unique visitors per day between the two of them....and both just received penalties.

Yahoo, rightfully, is motivated by profit. What other reason is there for excluding quality sites from their index?

soapystar




msg:824818
 7:36 am on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

The only conclusion is that they really arent concered with indexing the internet. I believe they are interested in LOOKING as though they are indexing the internet. The real reasons for banning site after site after site is made up of multiple reasons. Some being only wanting a serps that looks like a serps since their real buisness is sitematch and their own products. The user must still think he can log onto Yahoo and search the web but past that Yahoo wants complete hands on control of the index and what can be found. Maintaining the sitematch advantage means removing certain types of sites that are doing to well. One thing is clear, the aim is NOT to have a complete index of the internet and filtering via the algo for content and quality.

soapystar




msg:824819
 8:14 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

i was just amazed to see that yahoo isnt listing one of the most useful sites in the hotel industry. Searching for <snip> on Google brings it up number one, on Yahoo i dont see it top 100. That cant be right surely?

[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 1:58 am (utc) on April 22, 2004]

helenp




msg:824820
 8:21 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sopystar:
searching for same title, they have 2 pages, redirection ones, with other domain seems to be.
Supose due of the redirection problem.
These other 2 donīt have any PR by google, the one not in serps is pr 9 by google.

Chndru




msg:824821
 8:26 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

That's a good find, soapystar. Wait till brett gets to see it :)

Symbios




msg:824822
 8:33 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

<deleted>

I'll take soapystars advice and contact Yahoo rather than rant.

[edited by: Symbios at 9:08 pm (utc) on April 20, 2004]

soapystar




msg:824823
 8:49 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Helenp
he pr9 site has 224,000 pages in Yahoo if you do a domain search then click the more pages from this site. But theres no way to know if thats the Google throwback crawl. You cant find them for a keyword search and a domain name search without the .com at the end finds an obscure page number 6.

symbios
you have nothing to lose using the two emails given out by Tim.
webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com
reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com

i had replies from both.

<added>i never said dont rant :-)</added>

[edited by: soapystar at 9:14 pm (utc) on April 20, 2004]

helenp




msg:824824
 9:12 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Heavy,
duing a search copying the whole title, they come up first, with another domain name,
if you click on it, youīre redirected to the correct one, but I had to use all words in title........

one moment, the other domain is the biggest exchange converter site......... they are mixed up

should do an snapshot of this

Symbios




msg:824825
 9:24 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

<added>i never said dont rant :-)</added>

I didn't want those nice Yahoo people reading what I had written and taking revenge.

crobb305




msg:824826
 11:07 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have one site that was banned by Inktomi over a year ago. I have another site that fell out of Yahoo after April 15. Apparently it was not "found" by the free crawler despite having two category listings in the Yahoo directory.

Ridiculous.

helenp




msg:824827
 11:12 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Actually seems like company PR9 sopystar found is indexed with itīs title, but with an url that is an link to their site (from another PR9 company).
Thats the reason of so bad ranking...?

Like this:
www.another-big-company.com/cgi-bin/link?type=big-company&destination=http%3A//www.big-company.com

soapystar




msg:824828
 9:09 am on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Helenp
That sort of thing is rife in Yahoo, if that really results in the apparent demotion of the target domain then this is a huge problem for a large number of sites.

Yahoo_Mike




msg:824829
 5:07 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

cabos

>>>
I know of 2 great sites, rich with content, been on the web for years, probably receive 100,000 unique visitors per day between the two of them....and both just received penalties.
>>>

Just to clarify, if we're talking about the same sites, these sites are in the SERPs but they have multiple domain names and are listed under at least one domain but not all of them. So they were mistaken thinking they weren't listed.

soapystar




msg:824830
 7:13 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

what do you mean by listed? Many sites are indexed but wont show even for a domain name search. When you say a site is listed are you saying that in itself means its not penalised?

cabos




msg:824831
 3:42 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes Mike

They are listed if you search for their company name. The listings though is what Yahoo I suppose considers "duplicate content".

The problem though is that their real sites arent listed and you wont find their websites showing up for any relevant key word searches.

Both these sites are considered to by many to be the best industry resources.

Why doesnt Yahoo penalize what it considers to be the "duplicate content", remove whatever search engine benefit that occurs because of a multiple domain and show the companies primary sites.

The natural progression of an online company is to expand and obtain links and share content. Why is Yahoo trying to dictate how others should conduct online business in the name of spam, when Yahoo itself is guilty of the same infractions?.

helenp




msg:824832
 8:46 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

retaking the site travel PR9 found by sopystar.

Today serp is diferent, from yesterday.
number 1 searching for their title is still the link from another PR9 site, totally diferent site content (not travel).

But the 3rd result.......... oh my god,
incredible their are 3 sites involved in an url. and if clicking goes to the site in question (the PR9)(the title belongs to them)

the url showed in yahoo is like this:
www.3rdsited.com/directory/http://thedomaininquestion.lycos.com

if you go to the 3rd site, and write directory.htm you redirectod to an afiliated site with complete diferent domain........

But this is the 301 problem yahoo seems have big troubbles to fix.

soapystar




msg:824833
 9:31 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

its a complete mess.

mayor




msg:824834
 3:04 am on Apr 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey, when the fox owns the henhouse, would you expect to find a skinny fox?

Workin




msg:824835
 4:13 am on Apr 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I Have A Pharmacy Site And They changed The content Guidlines mid Stream. Wham! 50 bones Down The Drain.

Yahoo/Overture has amended the content guidelines as follows: Prescription Drug
Sites: Prescription drug sites are those that sell prescription drug products,
as well as sites that offer information or links related primarily to the sale
of prescription drugs. If a site is a prescription drug site and either sells
prescription drugs or facilitates the sale of prescription drugs (via links),
these sites must take part in an Overture-approved qualification program.
SquareTrade, an independent third-party, manages Overture's approved
qualification program.

Its Absurd To Pay 200 For Review Plus 50 A month To Square Trade And Still Have To Deal With The slurpBot.

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