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Post 4/15
hitthedeck




msg:833979
 3:44 am on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

How Big?
We are almost there anyone think the SERPs will significantly change. Ill take a 4/14 snapshot to see.

 

helenp




msg:834009
 7:08 pm on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks yahoo-mike for the clarification.

>>>>>First, it is likely that URLs submitted through Inktomi programs are already being picked up by the Yahoo! Search Technology crawler and are represented in the index separate from participation in a paid inclusion program.>>>>>>>>>

Does this mean there are diferent spiders for diferent purposes?

Actually I would appreciate if you could clarify which spiders are used for what purpose,,,,

Scooter normally spider my sites every day, havnīt been in since 14/4.

yahoo slurp stopped spider my robots.txt the 22/3 and started again the 6/4.

Allthe web stopped spidering my robots.txt for weeks ago, but suddenly came back for some days ago.

yahoo shop spiders comes in know and then for my robots.txt and my index page.

Itīs very confusing.
Thanks

jrs_66




msg:834010
 7:15 pm on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone have a Ink PFI page which has been dropped? Something makes me think not.

steve40




msg:834011
 7:51 pm on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

It could just be 48hr spidering so we may expect few more casualties in next few days rather alltogether

watch this weekend could be some changes
steve

AzCowboy




msg:834012
 8:25 pm on Apr 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

It sounds as if what I had mentioned previously might be correct - that as of Monday evening, I was seeing Inktomi listings appear with either / or "cached" or "more pages from this site" beside the listing. Obviously this implies you have been spidered, and pulled into a "cache" somewhere ......

I had never seen it before.

All of my Inktomi URL's showed this change by Tuesday night. And as of today, each and every one of my URL's still remain.

Now - two questions.

First does anyone have Inktomi feed URL's that remain in the index as of 4/16 which do not show one or both of these flags?

And also,

Has anyone as of yet lost a Inktomi Feed URL - which yesterday they know for certain did in fact show one or both of these flags?

Thoughts and ideas?

hazardtomyself




msg:834013
 5:03 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well it has happened. Our INK feeds, paid for 4 months ago are no longer in the SERPs.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes to get in the organic results. Our very authoritative site which has hundreds of links and has been in the Yahoo! directory for several months, ranked #8 out of over 49,000,000. I state the position only to show the relevance of the site. Now gone. Quite a loss to searchers.

The question on my mind is, (and a hot topic of discussion) is Yahoo! willing to sacrifice SERP quality for the $$$. The loss of other sites in that same 49,000,000 contribute to a lesser quality of results.

We will see how long it takes the Yahoo! crawler to include these lost and very relevant results.

Sceptical

Scarecrow




msg:834014
 5:51 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Watch is showing that the purge of old Ink PFI links has been completed.

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834015
 5:59 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

hazardtomyself

>>>>
The question on my mind is, (and a hot topic of discussion) is Yahoo! willing to sacrifice SERP quality for the $$$. The loss of other sites in that same 49,000,000 contribute to a lesser quality of results.
>>>>

I wanted to reiterate that Yahoo! will *not* sacrifice quality of results in order to make more money. From what I've read on the boards since 4/15, more people are finding their Search Submit pages have remained in the Yahoo! SERPs (ie. their pages were crawled, besides being included via SS). There will no doubt be cases where the pages have not yet been crawled and therefore will drop out of the SERPs on Yahoo! (as we stated would happen on 4/15). A reminder that you can also use the free AddURL status for any pages that were longer appear on Yahoo and that it's likely our crawler will eventually find your pages.

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834016
 6:17 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

helenp

>>>>
Does this mean there are diferent spiders for diferent purposes?
>>>>

Yes, we do have different spiders for different purposes. For example, there are different spiders that look for news stories, images and multimedia, etc. From time to time we also use some test crawlers. Your site may be visited by multiple crawlers. Yahooslurp is our main crawler for getting information into the organic results.

hazardtomyself




msg:834017
 7:42 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thank you Mike for the response and the continued Yahoo! info stream.

I will take your word. I submitted through the FreeURL add on opening day and have hundreds of links from other sites as well as the Yahoo! directory so in theory it shouldn't take long.

All eyes are on Yahoo!. IMHO this is Yahoo!s chance to gain the loyalty of many web folks.

soapystar




msg:834018
 7:47 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo_mike
Can i ask you take this opportunity to clarify what actually happens when a site is flagged as you call it! You say many factors can 'flag' a site up for review and i find it hard to imagine how this actually works. What actually is a flag? Where does it show? Who see's it?

ptietze




msg:834019
 9:20 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Our site Inktomi PFI have been purged. Still showing up in MSN, and organic serps in Google. Wonder how long it will take for web searches to decide to leave Yahoo so they can find what they are looking for.

ptietze




msg:834020
 9:30 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey, I mispoke in the message above. Our Inktomi PFI urls are still in the index. If go to Yahoo advanced search, and enter "" and limit the search to my domain, all the urls are there. But if I just do a normal search on keywords for which I had good position, the urls are nowhere to be found.

hmmmmm, I thought PFI had no influence on position.

soapystar




msg:834021
 9:43 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

hmmmmm, I thought PFI had no influence on position.

;)

i used to believe in father christmas

steveb




msg:834022
 10:35 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

"the purge of old Ink PFI links has been completed"

Still some showing.

makemetop




msg:834023
 11:09 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I'm d*amned!

A sample of PFI pages I've checked upto and including pages put in as recently as mid-Feb are included without any "rde" tracking codes.

helenp




msg:834024
 11:27 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I'm d*amned!
A sample of PFI pages I've checked upto and including pages put in as recently as mid-Feb are included without any "rde" tracking codes.

could you please be more specific,
I donīt understand anything, maybe my language problem or though Iīm not an experienced SEO

phpdude




msg:834025
 11:33 pm on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I to am seeing the tracking codes for ink dropped and the pages remain in the exact same if not better position.

crobb305




msg:834026
 12:07 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

A reminder that you can also use the free AddURL status for any pages that were longer appear on Yahoo and that it's likely our crawler will eventually find your pages.

Mike, doesn't Yahoo follow links to find quality sites? Why does Yahoo require urls be submitted using the submit url form in order to receive a "free" listing?

AzCowboy




msg:834027
 5:19 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am seeing today - Monday - native Yahoo links to all of my URL's, with no Inktomi addendums. Otherwise I see no changes - either in quantity of URL's indexed - nor in their position.

Am I a lucky one - or are others seeing this same thing?

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834028
 5:25 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

helenp

>>
Can i ask you take this opportunity to clarify what actually happens when a site is flagged as you call it! You say many factors can 'flag' a site up for review and i find it hard to imagine how this actually works. What actually is a flag? Where does it show? Who see's it?
>>

Please reserve this forum for questions related to the 4/15 update in Yahoo! search results. Questions like these should go in the "Questions for Yahoo" forum. I will post replies there given that the Answers from Yahoo forum has been closed.

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834029
 5:28 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)


crobb305

>>
Mike, doesn't Yahoo follow links to find quality sites? Why does Yahoo require urls be submitted using the submit url form in order to receive a "free" listing?
>>

We don't require you to use the AddURL service. The goal of the crawler is to find all of the quality pages on the web, but there is no guarantee that all pages will be found. AddURL is simply a way to help direct the crawler to your site.

DaveN




msg:834030
 7:05 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

mike do you crawl newly added whois records?

DaveN

Bradley




msg:834031
 7:09 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)


Yahoo Mike,

The "Questions for Yahoo" thread has been locked down as well.

dazzlindonna




msg:834032
 7:16 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

My sites are still in the serps, and still have the same old ink-type links, rather than straightforward links.

seasalt




msg:834033
 7:29 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo_Mike:

When will the problem with redirects be fixed? Both you and Tim mentioned a month ago that it would be 2 - 4 weeks.

seasalt

helenp




msg:834034
 7:56 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Mike:

helenp
>>
Can i ask you take this opportunity to clarify what actually happens when a site is flagged as you call it! You say many factors can 'flag' a site up for review and i find it hard to imagine how this actually works. What actually is a flag? Where does it show? Who see's it?
>>

Thread answers for yahoo has been closed down,
and Btw, I didnīt ask that question, but donīt matter who did, itīs still an interestion question :)

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834035
 10:23 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)


Seasalt:

>>>
When will the problem with redirects be fixed? Both you and Tim mentioned a month ago that it would be 2 - 4 weeks.
>>>

I will try to get more info on this ASAP.

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834036
 10:28 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>
Can i ask you take this opportunity to clarify what actually happens when a site is flagged as you call it! You say many factors can 'flag' a site up for review and i find it hard to imagine how this actually works. What actually is a flag? Where does it show? Who see's it
>>>>

I didn't realize the "Yahoo Questions" thread was closed as well, so...

A site might be more closely reviewed if there is something suspicious about it. For example, if it has a lot of incoming and outgoing links, we may examine the site more in order to determine if it's trying to spam or if the site makes good / valid use of the links. We have internal systems that can alert us to these situations, or a reviewer may notice these issues when they look at new sites.

bobothecat




msg:834037
 10:36 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo_Mike,

No question really ... just wanted to say thanks for helping folks out.

Peter

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834038
 10:42 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

DaveN

>>>
mike do you crawl newly added whois records?
>>>

We do take the registries into consideration, but do not index the whois pages currently. We are looking for new content, but also want to make sure the pages are unparked and have unique content before we index them.

Yahoo_Mike




msg:834039
 10:43 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)


Seasalt:

>>>>
When will the problem with redirects be fixed? Both you and Tim mentioned a month ago that it would be 2 - 4 weeks.
>>>>

We're still working to resolve this problem. Please continue to check back and I'll post more info as soon as I have it.

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