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Alltheweb.com just switched to Yahoo! Search
They're not wasting any time
WebGuerrilla




msg:835435
 10:24 pm on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)


Pure Y! from Southern California

 

soapystar




msg:835465
 7:56 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

i Believe the most disturbing part of it all is that these are lifetime penalties as far anyone can tell since Yahoo have made it clear an appeal process is needed to get a site back in. A lifetime penalty for a subjective view as to what they look for in a site and the parameters they use to bin it. So far the list has gone from INK to Yahoo imagine the next player picking up the same ball and running with it.

makemetop




msg:835466
 8:03 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes - a sad day, but we all knew it was coming.

ATW was my SE of choice and had been for the last year. I will really miss it.

angiolo




msg:835467
 8:42 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

A very sad day.

Alltheweb was one of my preffered search engines.

It was a good tools go see linkpopularity.

Results are good: there are still duplicate/mirro sites.

webmktg




msg:835468
 8:53 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes Its unfortunate to see ATW has switched to Yahoo results.

creative craig




msg:835469
 8:58 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I thought I read some where from Tim that alltheweb and altavista would have its own distinctive index and algorithm!

Sorry to see it go :(

Craig

fom2001uk




msg:835470
 9:05 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Very, very sad. ATW was a tremendous search engine. Why couldn't someone else have bought it, and kept it running.

Yahoo - hang your head in shame!

heini




msg:835471
 9:14 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

ATW has been dying for a long long time now. We've had so many threads saying goodbye already starting last year that I have to wonder what this is all about?

ATW has been a top SE sometime late 2002, and it was essentially dead when the Norwegians sold it to Overture.
Since then the tech didn't get developed further, the index got stale, the integration with Altavista started. We all knew what was coming.

And, seriously, anybody really thought Yahoo would maintain and actively develop two or three search engines simultaneously?

It's about time that Yahoo did something with ATW.

sem4u




msg:835472
 9:19 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

A sad day :(

Looks like we are losing Altavista too.

jimh009




msg:835473
 9:22 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is a stupid question probably, but if I remember correctly, Yahoo paid pretty good money for FAST and AlltheWeb. After all that, why did they just essentially pull the plug on it?

Am I missing something or does this just seem like a big waste of money on Yahoo's part?

cabos




msg:835474
 9:40 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I find it amazing that Yahoo penalizes sites for cross linking when they spew the same results on different search engines accross the web.

steveb




msg:835475
 9:43 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Weird sentiments going on here. Getting rid of All the Web as a seperate deal is a positive step that was obviously going to happen. The question is when the coolest of the All the Web features will be fully integrated into Yahoo.

Yahoo is interested in building a powerful search engine, not keeping a bunch of weakling branches hanging around that .01% of people use. Yahoo isn't at the point of being that powerful search engine of their dreams yet, but consolidating their assets is underway.

Yes, if all the best things about All the Web were to never be seen again in Yahooland, that would be bad, but at this point that a pretty lame assumption.

sidyadav




msg:835476
 12:01 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I see the same ATW results (New Zealand). Is there some kind of a press release for this?

Sid

michael heraghty




msg:835477
 12:42 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

And then there were ... three?

Google
Yahoo
MSN

Is there any other independent search company that is genuinely still in the race?

Rumbas




msg:835478
 12:47 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

We knew this was coming:
[webmasterworld.com...]
[webmasterworld.com...]

..but still sad that it happend :(

GlynMusica




msg:835479
 12:48 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

ATW had the best "spam" detection filters around. It's a shame they never sorted out the ranking mechanism like Google, otherwise they would have had the best SE on the planet. The same is true for Google.

I fear that here comes the monetisation of the web in such a way that it's gonna reduce the field a few superaffiliates whitelabelling to death, major corporations - bidding on brand terms, and those that can work the balance sheet for PPC campaigns, which could be individuals or small businesses.

The difference will be, if you error out on any of your campaign planning, you'll be paying for it, and you won't be told that you're spending your money either ....just..."good news, your account is depleted".

As for content, you can kiss that goodbye at least in the SE results . But then if anyone browses with Javascript disabled (and I do recommend it for a trip down memory lane) you'll get the impression that most companies don't seem to care how their pages are rendered in anything other than IE6.

Glyn.

helenp




msg:835480
 1:24 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>>>>>>As for content, you can kiss that goodbye at least in the SE results . But then if anyone browses with Javascript disabled (and I do recommend it for a trip down memory lane.

You forgot and with flash disabled.....
Really liked your point. No SE values the accesibility

skippy




msg:835481
 3:05 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is a stupid question probably, but if I remember correctly, Yahoo paid pretty good money for FAST and AlltheWeb. After all that, why did they just essentially pull the plug on it?

They were blocking Microsoft from getting a half ways decent search engine and making them develop their own. Capitalism at its finest.

gethan




msg:835482
 3:18 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Never had any real traffic from AllTheWeb - but it was the finest Search Engine in it's day - yesterday.

Very sorry to see it go.

Yahoo! (Mike) why not just be honest about the whole thing and redirect alltheweb.com -> yahoo.com?

ddogg




msg:835483
 3:21 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

ATW sucks. Its replacement isn't much better. Hopefully more people will move to Google, the only search engine that actually makes an effort to crawl the web.

xbase234




msg:835484
 3:47 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is very disheartening.

spaidermen




msg:835485
 4:21 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have never been fond of ATW. Actually I've been mostly using just Google to search. Now that Google is a mogul many people like to dislike it but this did not make ATW any better. On the other hand, I am not a deep searcher and perhaps ATW really performed better than Google on some searches. Anyway, it's an alternative closing down and this is no good.

mayor




msg:835486
 5:10 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo is probably battening down the hatch, shaking off any fat and bracing themselves for engaging Microsoft.

Any bets on how long before AltaVista gets the last nail in it's coffin? Hate to see that, too, but AV sealed it's own fate a couple years ago. Can't blame it's demise on Yahoo.

seasalt




msg:835487
 5:14 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo is interested in building a powerful search engine, not keeping a bunch of weakling branches hanging around that .01% of people use.

umm...interesting worldview.

seasalt

mikeD




msg:835488
 5:18 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo is interested in building a powerful search engine, not keeping a bunch of weakling branches hanging around that .01% of people use.

What happened to variety is the spice of life.

I wonder if you are ranking well in yahoo? call me cynical but all the people singing Yahoo's praise to begin with were stating we need more variety than just Google. Now Yahoo is trying to do the same and take over all the serps I don't read this point of view from Yahoo's supporters much.

A real shame people can't give unbiased views on ww. Instead of I am doing well in Yahoo so it's obviously great.

WebGuerrilla




msg:835489
 5:23 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>They were blocking Microsoft from getting a half ways decent search engine and making them develop their own.

That was certainly part of it, but there was much more to it then that. I know everyone considers Y! Search to be nothing more than Ink, but that really isn't the case. Regardless of whether or not they had market share, AV and ATW both have unique technology (and many patents)that is quite valuable.

Over time, I'm confident we will see that technology integrated into the new Y! Search.

mikeD




msg:835490
 5:30 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Over time, I'm confident we will see that technology integrated into the new Y! Search.

Hope so WebGuerrilla because it needs it, ATW results are or were better than Y! Search.

Also wonder with Yahoo buying Kelkoo, Kelkoo will keep it's link on this page,

[google.com...]

The only reason why it ranks well in Google. Wonder how much a pr10 link on Google costs. Yahoo say about 250 million. Wonder how quick that money could be wiped out, because the Kelkoo technology isn't worth 1 million let alone 250.

cayleyv




msg:835491
 5:49 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

When Yahoo purchased the Overture PPC empire, did OVER actually own the technology powering alltheweb? I seem to recall that is was mostly front end assets that were transfered, as OVER had no need/desire for the actual algorithms and software engineers that came with it.

Its possible alltheweb could be ressurected under a different company if this is correct.

redlion




msg:835492
 5:49 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sad to see ATW go.

Let's hope Y! do use ATW technology in Y Search; they'd be fools not to put it in the the mix.

Somebody asked about ATW use in the UK. To be honest, outside of the Webmaaster/SEo community, it's unheard of by consumers.

Of course they power Lycos results, for what that's worth.

Interesting times indeed, with the Kelkoo and InfoSpace/Switchboard deals...

Wonder when Kelkoo will switch from Google to Overture? They switched away from Espotting to Google last year. Can't imagine they will want keep on sharing click revenue with Google now...

volatilegx




msg:835493
 6:27 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess I'll add my voice to the general outcry. Alltheweb had good results. Tim, are you reading this?

mikeD




msg:835494
 6:32 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess I'll add my voice to the general outcry. Alltheweb had good results. Tim, are you reading this?

Exactly, let hope the search engine market doesn't go the way of the US motor industry, with just 2 main players.

Am I the only one who thinks this makes the Internet a much more bland place.

The good thing with Google is they create new software, Yahoo seems to like buying and destroying them.

2_much




msg:835495
 6:33 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo announced at PubCon that they would distribute the new Yahoo serp's to all their properties. I think they will "tweak" the SERP's according to the target audience of each property. It's too bad though that we lost all the advanced options - perhaps Yahoo will integrate these?

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