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Site Dropped From Yahoo
JoeyBall




msg:845173
 4:20 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,

My sites use to rank very good on yahoo, no.1 and no.8 but last week they dissapeared from the yahoo, I haven't got a clue why.

The sites have also gone on www.msn.com both sites dissapeared on both search engines sounds a bit dodgy.

Can anyone give me some advice I

 

fello




msg:845174
 7:18 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Same thing has happened to my site. I'm still in the index (when searching for mysite.com). But no where to be found on any SERPs.

yaelede




msg:845175
 7:37 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

On Friday morning Inktomi stopped its continuous crawling at my site, at the same time the site was completely dropped from both Y! and MSN.
I had very good positions for many months, Y! and MSN provided one 3rd of all referral hits, so it hits me very hard!

soapystar




msg:845176
 7:45 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

yes, you may be one of the growing number of sites with an editorial judgement. Check if yahoo spiders your robots.txt then leaves..if so then join the club....

helenp




msg:845177
 8:16 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

welcome to the club,
this is just an anecdote, but it´s funny:

Today I received an e-mail from an person that want´s our product, and when saw the e-mail adress whatever@microsoft.com

Guess my thought.......... That he didn´t find what he searched for on there own msn search (that use Yahoo/Inktomi) so he had to look in competitors search engine......to find me.

hamster77




msg:845178
 12:08 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ouch.... just found that my main site has disappeared from the Yahoo serps as well. Was #3 for my search terms up 'til I checked today and now the only page in there is my links page at #29.

This is all just getting really demoralising :(

helenp




msg:845179
 12:11 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Actually I do think yahoo has many many problems........
Nor Tim or Mike has come back....to explain anything.

hamster77




msg:845180
 12:27 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well Ink has never liked my main site at all - don't know why as it has always done well or at least fairly well everywhere else. So I was quite surprised to see this site suddenly doing so well in the new Yahoo serps - and now it's gone back and doing far worse than before (ie. not there!).

Oh well.... looks like Yahoo were just teasing me... sigh :(

Abigail




msg:845181
 3:47 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

This may be something that has caused this - or not - but I got an email yesterday from Postition Tech telling me that the ink spider experienced a technical issue and didn't spider properly for a few days - interesting as I didn't send a support request........

yaelede




msg:845182
 7:43 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm just curious whether which sites remained in the Y! index?
Yahoo results are just terrible comparing to last week, and it's not only because my drop-off. My "good competitors" are also out, the SERPS are full of affiliate and irrelevant sites. Horror..

Is Site Match the only way to get back? Or should we just wait?

hamster77




msg:845183
 10:46 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm going to wait it out for a while and see what happens. If my other sites which are currently doing very well in Yahoo start to vanish then I will start panicking...

I noticed that MSN has actually shunted me up their serps in the last few days, so I guess that means Ink has stopped hating me...?

hamster77




msg:845184
 11:06 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ah.... new result for my search terms on Yahoo. I'm now back in at #7, but the url is a redirect from a directory ad and not the url of my site. So, is it worth trying to do anything about this? Since this still goes straight to my site should I even care while this result sticks? I s'pose it'll vanish again once the serps next update as the spider won't find the link again in the same place, but maybe by then Yahoo will've found the real url again?

JoeyBall




msg:845185
 12:16 pm on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

if i type in www.mysite.com its still there but however if i type in mysite the site doesn't appear.

Its hurt sales because i ranked high in yahoo, linkdomain are still there.

Out of the 2 sites i paid approx £200 pounds to be in the directory as well.

Abigail




msg:845186
 3:58 pm on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone else noticed that about 50% of the results in serps don't have a "cache"? What's that about?

fello




msg:845187
 5:39 pm on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I emailed last week the address Mike gave us but got NO reply and NO action was taken.

RunnerD




msg:845188
 6:38 pm on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site is gone too. The internal links are still in the results, but our index page which ranked #2 for 2 years is completely gone. Not good.

fello




msg:845189
 9:14 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any update from Yahoo on this problem?

RunnerD




msg:845190
 10:00 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

nothing yet. our internal links are still there, but index page is gone on yahoo. anyone have any ideas?

Chief




msg:845191
 10:45 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just wanted to add that I have also had SEVERAL sites dropped / dissapeared in the past couple days.

They are still listed when doing a search for www.domain.com

world3d




msg:845192
 4:31 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just returned from vacation to find that my site, which was #1 for all of my key terms, has been dropped all but completely. It has been replaced by the Overture listing at about #8.
What the heck is going on? Could it be that Yahoo identifies advertisters and drops them from the natural listings in anticipation of them being submitted to site match?
Or is this Yahoo's version of Florida?

nkakar




msg:845193
 5:11 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had all my pages up on yahoo for a whole month from feb 18 - march 18.. if you guys rememeber feb 18 was the date yahoo switched to google, and exactly a month later, my site dissapeared from the serps even though everything is there when u look for the site with the url.... my titles are very unique and even if i type in my titles the same exact way which nobody else does, im still no where to be found on yahoo.. my sales have dropped 50% because of this.. any ideas on whats going on?

kerry




msg:845194
 10:12 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site shows similar symptoms to others who have posted here. I emailed webmasterworldfeedback at yahoo a couple weeks ago and got this reply 5 days later:

"There is currently a judgment against [your site]. Judgments are based upon both automated and editorial criteria, and are designed to improve the quality of the experience that Yahoo! provides to its search users. While we cannot comment on particular reasons for an individual judgment, please check our Content Policy Guidelines at: [help.yahoo.com...] to make sure that your site complies. Also, below are some answers to common questions regarding this issue:

Q: What are some of the common reasons for a site judgment?

A: Yahoo!’s Content Policy Guidelines (link above) outline what we are and are not looking for in pages that we index. Listed below are some of the more common reasons that a site may violate these guidelines:

Cloaking (showing substantially different content to crawlers than to users)

Massive domain interlinking

Use of affiliate programs without the addition of substantial unique content

Use of reciprocal link programs (aka “link farms”)

Hidden text

Excessive keyword repetition, repetition of keywords, keywords repeating

Q: If my site has a judgment against it, can I use the SiteMatch inclusion program?

A: All pages submitted to SiteMatch are editorially reviewed. If a site has a judgment against it, it is likely to be rejected by the SiteMatch program.

Q: If my site has a judgment against it, can I use the Yahoo! Express directory inclusion program?

A: Yes, the Yahoo! Directory and Yahoo! Search Index are different systems. Inclusion or exclusion from one does not effect[sic] the other."

My website isn't guilty of any of the listed sins, so I replied to (politely!) point this out.

I'm still waiting to hear back.

I suspect that Yahoo will be in no hurry to address judgement issues until it has in place a pay-for-review program whereby it can make money from the process. It is also interesting that judgements imply a "likely" exclusion from SiteMatch, but no such outcome with the (editorially reviewed) Yahoo Express directory inclusion program. The above comments really make no sense, unless the judgements are just a carryover from Inktomi.

Cheers,
Kerry

soapystar




msg:845195
 10:30 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

There logic is that since the directory doesnt work by rankings the above mentioned techniques dont matter in the directory. However personally i scratch my head like you. The number of sites affected is huge and thats in month one. An appeal process is unsustainable even if they were serious about it. I believe over time they will be forced to go to a filter only approach except for serious spamming as Google do now. My fear is that even when that happens all of us will be left with sites that wil never be allowed into the serps.

btw. Link programs are the same as link farms? ontopic link exchanges bring in traffic. And they ban you for life for that.

im sorry but i also dont understand the point in saying youve violated one of our guidlines but we wont tell you which one because then you could game us. I dont get that at all. Think about it, youre saying yes its ONE of thse below but telling you WHICH one would badly compromise us.

mfishy




msg:845196
 10:42 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Two Points.

1. Slurp is an incompetent crawler and INK/Yahoo may simply be "losing" these sites

2. INK was always known for harsh, broad sweeping penalties that punished countless "innoccent" sites.

Yahoo! is off to a pretty rough start with webmasters. Sitematch makes little to no sense and websites are being dropped from their index at an alarming rate. Google has always been a bit more careful about which sites they ban and the implications of automated filters - Y! will ban your site and anyone else they feel like with no apparent good reason.

hamster77




msg:845197
 10:55 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

The only reason my site could possibly have for an editorial decision against it (linked domains, but it's not very heavy linking), would also take out every other site which is still there for my search terms, so that seems a bit unlikely.

I tried a slightly different search - my business type in my area - and the first 30 results are links to my site from various places, followed by my competitors' sites. So Yahoo seems to've buried my site but is furiously trying to drive all the searchers to it at the same time...?

By a strange co-incidence (?) the sites which I've recently had buried by Google are at #1 in Yahoo, while my main site which Google loves to bits at the moment has been buried by Yahoo.

Ho hum.

>1. Slurp is an incompetent crawler and INK/Yahoo may simply be "losing" these sites

I think it's choked and given itself indigestion on my inbound links and got no appetite left for the site itself.

negubon




msg:845198
 11:52 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

One thing I am confused is that why Yahoo and msn dropped at the same time.
I think this is because of INK but I don't think yahoo and msn use same results.

Balle




msg:845199
 1:02 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mysite has been dropped too :-(

It's keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com

The sites index page was acceptet into SiteMach and had good rankings and trafic in/from Yahoo.

The site is not in GOOGLE at all and never have been - due to the former owners 'mistakes'.

Since the 19th - not a single click through sitemach.

Searches for "mysite.com" do not find my index page
or any other pages from my site.

I have written to Yahoo sitemach but no reply yet.

I don't use any Blackhat SEO tricks. However I have a site where I link to this site from all pages.

Perhaps that is it - the linking - .....or perhaps it's because my site is not in Google's search index.


Kirby




msg:845200
 1:25 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

>One thing I am confused is that why Yahoo and msn dropped at the same time.
I think this is because of INK but I don't think yahoo and msn use same results.

Yahoo is repackaged INK, regardless of what they say. Yahoo has already admitted that INK penalties carry over. if it was new technology as they claim, why the tie-in to INK penalties?

gemini




msg:845201
 4:00 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Noticed that my biggest competitor dropped off Yahoo and MSN completely. MSN doesn't have it in the index at all and Yahoo has it only in the Directory for now... The competitor was pretty active on heavy crosslinking (for the past few months) from high PR sites on every page, so it has more than 8K links to it total by marketleap and around 180 links that Google sees. It's still on Google taking the same positions as before, but sure vanished from Y! and MSN.

My own site is still there, although I'm afraid to get banned - I've been doing reciprocal links too - but very clean and naturally. Will hope for the best.

world3d




msg:845202
 5:17 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Kerry-- Where is it that you e-mailed Yahoo with this question? I would love to e-mail them the same question regarding my domain.
Thanks!

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