| 6:57 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
My own site was penalized as soon as Yahoo launched.
A second site that I do joint marketing with has never done well on Google, had great results in Yahoo.... and tonight it was dropped completely.
My guess is Yahoo is penalizing sites that have what they consider to be too many cross links.
This is amazing to me given that both sites complement each other.
Yahoo owns various interests on the net. Does this mean that becauase they interlink these interests that they are doing something unethical?
Should Yahoo have been penalized because they bought Ink. Overture Fast etc.
I could be wrong though it appears like if you have tuned your site for Google, you are in jeapordy of getting kicked off Yahoo.
| 10:15 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It would be near enough impossible to manually review all sites listed within the index that are there through free inclusion. We are talking about millions of sites therefore if we are all experiencing some form of penalty, I would suggest that it must be at the algorithm level.
I am of the opinion that this is still early days and that it is quite likely that we will all find our way back in over the coming weeks.
| 3:04 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
i had near 3000 uniques from Y per day and now i have 30-40... i'm shocked with this ;(
| 6:27 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I got a response from Yahoo today. The response actually says almost nothing except that they're going to make Mike aware that I sent the message.
On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at xx:xx PM, ****xxxxx.com wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> My site xxxxxxx.com vanished from your search results in the last
> few days. I have no idea why. I haven't made any real changes to the
> site. The only thing that's listed is "xxxxxxx.com" which is just a
> domain bought to redirect to the real site "xxxxxxx.com" in case a user mistypes
> our domain.
> Can you please help?
[edited by: 2_much at 6:37 pm (utc) on Mar. 26, 2004]
[edit reason] deleted email [/edit]
| 1:18 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm not sure if this is the same problem or not, but would appreciate advise if there is anything I can do to improve matters.
I have a .com site hosted in the UK and all my pages are in Yahoo.com. Yahoo slurp took about 1/3 of my pages last week. However none of my pages show in Yahoo.com SERPS. Previously I used to get some traffic from Yahoo but now it is absolutely zero.
I got one hit from Yahoo China, and I can duplicate the search. But if I search for my domain only two pages show, neither of which is the page found by the search.
One page is Pay to Index with Inktomi, and that page (but only that page) shows in yahoo UK. It shows in SERPS.
Curently almost all my traffic is coming from Google, and I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.
| 3:16 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I agree with Buddha,
There may be two different isues going on but most of us are experiencing a filter / algo penalty and not a manual review penalty. Way to many sites are getting hit for it to be manual.
I also think it seems to be a crosslinking penalty. I lost SEVERAL number 1 positions for several different sites. The listings didnt drop, they dissapeared. (though show on a seach for the domain). They are non-spammy sites but they did crosslink to some degree(though I would not say massive crosslinking).
I hope they get this sorted out or give us some kind of explanation. For now, I am not changing anything.
| 3:31 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
actually i think it will turn out to be who links to you. yes the one they said couldnt happen because anyone could hurt you, well i believe they have actually gone and done it. Reciprocals, networks of links and simply being linked to from the wrong neighbourhood will get you thrown out of the index. The collateral is huge and i do not believe they care as long as whats left looks good (non-spammy). To your eyes there may still be pleant of spammy sites left but we aint finnished yet. Yes, a combination of filters and human reviews but a heavy heavy link filter in play.
| 5:20 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Actually I donīt think who links you, I mean one in my cactegory has thousands of links exchange, and have links to bad neighbourdhoods, that mean they have bad linking to them, so if where so, they would be of before me.
I do think itīs just bad luck that is you and not other, links that are bad done to your site that wrongly is red as an 301.
| 5:41 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
My site homepage vanished from the yahoo serps yesterday, sub pages were still there but the homepage had gone. After past experiences of panicking over Google "tweaks" I decided not to add to the "me to" posts in this thread and wait it out. Thankfully my homepage has reappeared again today so at least for some of us it must have just been a temporary blip.
Has anyone else found that their homepage has now returned?
| 6:36 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yesterday I posted the problems I had with my site. Today they are even worse. All pages except my index page have dissapeared from the Yahoo index. The index page is cached and uptodate.
I can only assume I have a penalty. But my site is non-commercial, not involved in link exchanges, not linked to 'bad' areas, nor over SEO'd. The only thing unusual about the site is it contains pages in three language encodings, but this gives Google no problems.
The only thing I can think of is that I have seperate entries in Yahoo for domain.com, www.domain.com, and www.domain.com/index.php. Could this trigger a duplicate content filter?
| 6:56 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
soapystar, I agree with you 100%.
One of the sites of mine that was filtered, has ZERO outgoing "link partners." But is linked to by several other sites.
Also, for me, Yahoo penalized the entire sites and not just the index pages. If only your index page is missing or dropped a few spots, I don't think you have been hit by the filter. I think a couple of you are confusing bad rankings as a penalty.
I believe the filter is Penalizing ENTIRE sites. The site is still in the index when searching for the domain, but for any other search cannot be found.
| 7:06 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>Has anyone got a postive response when writing to Yahoo about a dropped domain?
| 3:03 am on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>Has anyone got a postive response when writing to Yahoo about a dropped domain?
I've talked to six people in the past 3 days who wrote to the Yahoo spam address, within the past 2 weeks. All received form messages stating it would take 60-90 days to review plus longer to be re-included.
The messages also stated there was nothing that could be done for 90% of cases because it was an automated algo.
The thing I thought interesting was Tim at first said 2 weeks, then Yahoo Mike said 60 days. Its now up to 90 days and longer. My conclusion is sometime between 6 months and the Seventh of Never. Damn, I paid for two PFI programs that were swallowed by Yahoo and I can't get the time of day from them.
| 5:00 am on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
New to this industry, but also noticed that my site which usually ranked well in Yahoo is not longer there. Someone mentioned to "Check if yahoo spiders your robots.txt then leaves"..how would I go about doing that?
| 5:18 am on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I know it might be too late.
But I will join the club.
One of my major pages droped today from Yahoo. It was #1 and #4 for my main keywords. It is now gone.
Interestingly, my another page which ranks #4 to 5 is still there in the same spot.
More, If I search the same keywords using Nescape 7.1 instead of my default IE 6.0, then I see the old ranking as before.
It might be pulling the results from cache or proxy somewhere.
So, I cleaned up my cache from Netscape just now (writing this post, well, I am still number one in there. But not with IE 6.0... Weird.
Yahoo might be updating its results.
I believe it is not human editorial thing because I have never been in Yahoo directory, Inktomi, or anything. I even don't have affiliate links except adsense.
The site doesn't interlinking.
It has a few inbound links only. No outbound links at all.
| 7:04 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It looks like Yahoo_Mike has no intention of answering or giving us a clue on this problem.
| 7:45 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>It was #1 and #4 for my main keywords. It is now gone.<
I am seeing pages drop in and out constantly.
>no intention of answering or giving us a clue <
Give em a beak, they have an engine to run. :) You can ask questions here [webmasterworld.com].
| 8:18 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> Give em a beak, they have an engine to run. :) You can ask questions here. <<
It was asked there my myself and other people. They have not replied or addressed the concern of so many webmasters who seem to have this problem.
| 6:22 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)|
My problem is puzzling me.
I have a new site that had about 60 skeleton-like pages at the beginning of the year and all were crawled by inktomi regularly and now are crawled by Yahoo. If I search for any text in these pages, I find them in the serps.
However, I added about 500 pages this year and when I check Yahoo by putting in the url in the search box for any of these pages, I find them to be there. But, when I check for the text on these pages, they don't show up.
Either it has to be a very peculiar penalty or more likely a bug. (I should also mention that I don't have any of their stated reasons for getting penalty.)
| 8:18 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yahoo is standing by its word to resolve problems with penalized sites.
My sites home page was included in the search results. The overall results look different too.
Anyone else see changes tonight?
| 12:53 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I am wondering if anyone had a similar experience to this:
I paid around the time of the transition (like the last few days positiontech took new listings) for 2 urls on one domain). I was focusing on msn actually. As soon as the site went into msn, I lost the 600 free listings I had for that domain on yahoo. OUCH!
I hadn't even thought about that.
I called positiontech and they said I could delete the 2 listings on their control panel. (I had read on this forum somewhere that someone had done that with sitematch and got his free listings back into yahoo). Now it is 3 weeks later and my 2 listings are STILL in both msn and yahoo and none of my free listings have returned into yahoo. Obviously that delete control panel does nothing at positiontech since it did not delete them from the database.
Does anyone have any ideas/advice on this?
| 3:54 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Ya - I see a change - my title and descriptions have started to disappear and only the url's, in many cases are now showing - seems like "google slow death" is following me into Yahoo!
| 9:28 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)|
seems some people who have dealt directly with Tim are back in. In my innocence i thought sticking with the emails provided and not hounding Tim and looking for favours was the right and fair approach. If it takes 30-90 days for a review and poeple only just got those letters how comes so many poeple are back in? Seems the fairrer you play this game the worse off you are. crazy totally crazy!1
| 9:35 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>>>>>>>>>>>seems some people who have dealt directly with Tim are back in. In my innocence i thought sticking with the emails provided and not hounding Tim and looking for favours was the right and fair approach.
I wrote once to email@example.com, and then once to firstname.lastname@example.org when yahoo told to do so. Tim said in public I am in, although I canīt see it yet.
So hopefully itīs the same with you, although you donīt know.
| 9:49 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)|
well i just got an email saying it would take 30-90 days for a review so i dont see how they could have looked at my site. Plus the day after they emailed my site when down with a fire in the data lines in Manchester. So the chances of a favourable review if they looked this week would be zero. Plus a comment was made about checking who links to me. Well what would be the point of that? I dont control who links to me and im not part of any network. Cryptic comments like that help nobody. Are they saying you can be dropped by being linked to? That would be insane. But then looking at my site and the sites left in the index it would be par for the course.
| 12:41 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I didnt want to trouble Tim directly with stickys either as it seems like an abuse of the privilege of having him communicate with us on here.
My only communications have been with the email addresses provided by Tim.
So far my home page shows up in the Yahoo results, though only for one specific search term (the name of the directory it is in on Yahoo).
It's confusing since, searching for site specific term doesn't bring up the page only a url that I registered to protect the brand, that has one link to my site.
Seems like they have included home pages of some sites that are in their paid directories. Perhaps Yahoo will spider these sites and more pages than just the home page will get in.
| 3:36 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)|
from where i sit there is no consitency in the comments fom Yahoo or the timescale for reviewing different sites. Its a stich up. Somebody explain to me how sites are back in when others are told 30-90 days for review. Thats selective treatment. Untill now i gave Yahoo the benfit of the doubt. It is now clear they have no level playing field for reviews. So all us little guys who have done nothing that could possibly warrant lifetime bans have to sit and watch this summary judgement on clean sites while spam and cheating sites fills many serps. I look forward to the hand judgement on some big budget site that can afford to fight back. Its one thing to use a filter but taking out clean sites for life by direct human subjective reviews is a restraint of trade. If penalised sites are now being let back in then it prooves the whole system is flawed.
| 4:07 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|So all us little guys who have done nothing that could possibly warrant lifetime bans have to sit and watch this summary judgement on clean sites while spam and cheating sites fills many serps.] |
Soapystar- I have looked at your site and I have to disagree with your assessment. Your site does not look like unique travel content. Please send this to the mods on this forum or other members and have them assess your site.
We are updating our content guidelines at the moment to be clearer about sites such as yours. It seems like you have not read the existing content guidelines. I cannot see many of these either on the positive or negative side that you are not violating in some way.
You may think that the playing field is uneven but people who have good quality, unique content are having their penalties lifted.
[edited by: Tim at 5:55 pm (utc) on April 3, 2004]
| 4:30 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)|
that is so ridiculous. Unlike your database pulled templates my hotels are hand put together. There is a ton of unique information on that site and poeple come back time after time for that information. The sites that you have for that term are pure datbase pulls, mine is not. Perhaps you could sticky me exactly the guidelines i have viloated i might be clearer. To state i have viloated everyone is rubbish.
i do not need to hand my site to a mod for review. Luckily i know my own subject and can tell what is and isnt real content. I am proud of my site and do not need anyone else to tell me what thehy think about it. Until now i only had to take notice of my cutomers which is how it should be. Then came a lifetime subjective ban and i found i had to justify my site to people with already predjudiced views. I never stood a chance. I know you are wrong and thats good enough for me.
[edited by: soapystar at 5:11 pm (utc) on April 3, 2004]
| 4:57 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<<travel affiliate spam.>>
What about orbitz and expedia - they are just large travel affiliates? This is coming from a site that pretended to have their own search engine for years but were jsut a big google clone...oh, and all those rss feeds too...
I haven't really had many problems with Yahoo, but if you want to single out affiliate or adsense sites, that probably is not the best battle to take on. May want to work on FIRST creating a competetive search.
| 5:07 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)|
you are so right. The problem here is that sites are not being reviewed by people with no knowledge of that specific topic or knowledge of other sites on the same topic. For this reason they cannot tell unique content from database pulls. The cannot see what provides useful information from sites that dont. They just see you run an affiliate travel site and look down on you. And yes look at their own site. And they are banning us for life. If what has been said about me was true i would not have a base or repeat customers.
[edited by: soapystar at 5:26 pm (utc) on April 3, 2004]
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