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Yahoo Mike answers some more questions
Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:09 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Admin Note:

Below are Yahoo Mike's initial responses to some of the questions found here [webmasterworld.com].

Please make sure that any additional comments in this thread relate specificly to YM's answers. If you have a new question, please post it in the question thread.

WG


Hello again from Yahoo Mike. This is just a first round of replies to several questions posted in the forum. I'm researching several others and hope to have more information posted either later today or tomorrow. With that said...

[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 6:30 pm (utc) on Mar. 18, 2004]
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Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:11 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

A question was posted earlier that asked about getting a not-for-profit site listed in the Public Site Match program. The first step is to send and email with your site information to psm@yahoo-inc.com to see if it qualifies for the program Someone will follow up with you ASAP if additional information is required.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:14 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

2_much asked "I would just like to know for some certainty that when my grace period runs
out that my sites will still remain in the Yahoo index if either they have been crawled naturally by Yahoo! Slurp or by me using the free add URL link."

Absolutely. If your site / URLs were already crawled, those results will remain in Yahoo! Search after April 15th (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to by Grace Period but correct me if I'm wrong).

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:16 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

2_much also asked "What happens if you overspend your PPC budget? does the site get dropped and
re-added when you add more money?"

Yep, that's what happens. If you PPC budget runs out, your Site Match URLs will no longer be available until you add funds to your account. The exception is that if that same URL was previously crawled, then the URL will continue to appear because it remains in the crawler’s index.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:18 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)


>>>>
How long does it actually take for Site Match sites to be added? 72 hours or 4 business days
>>>>

It can take up to 4 business days for new Site Match URLs to be reviewed and added to the Yahoo! Search results. Unfortunately it was incorrectly stated in some support emails and web pages that the time to appear was 72 hours.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:19 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>
When does Y expect any of this to begin showing free crwaled sites?
>>>>

The Yahoo! Search results began showing the free crawled sites when it launched on February 18th. The crawler continues to add new sites and pages every day. Remember that it can take several weeks for your site to be visited or recrawled if you submit it via the Add URL program.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:20 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

seasalt and 2_much asked some questions about the Yahoo! Directory.

If your site is in the directory it will be also be crawled. That crawl will happen on the same frequency as other sites on the web. It should be crawled within about 7 weeks. So in answer to the post by 2_much, your site definitely won’t be banned from the Yahoo! Search results.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:22 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

For exmoorbeast and jbgilbert who asked about advanced Yahoo! Search commands
A complete list of Yahoo! Search advanced search commands can be found here:
[help.yahoo.com...]

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:23 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't see the answer to your question yet? Please hang on and I'll get more info and answers posted shortly...

Yahoo Mike

2_much

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:40 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the answers Yahoo Mike, keep 'em coming.

if other people still want to post questions, please remember to keep them objective, and if you see your question already, don't ask it again.

mbennie

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Msg#: 1929 posted 8:06 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

If your site is in the directory it will be also be crawled.

your site definitely won’t be banned from the Yahoo! Search results.

This hasn't been true in the past.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 6:05 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

mbennie,

My sources tell me that sites in the Yahoo! Directory have always been crawled. With that said, if there is a problem crawling your site, that could prevent some pages from getting included whether or not the site was in the Yahoo! Directory.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 6:56 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dolemite,

as of Feb 18th, the Yahoo! Search results are delivered by the Yahoo! Search Technology (YST) engine. YST was developed from the ground up, but did use some information and experience from the Inktomi, AltaVista and FAST. So we no longer deliver "Inktomi Results", though there may be some overlap with what was previously delivered.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:10 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

OperaFan

Regarding your geolocation questions...

We deliver the Yahoo! Search results that we believe are the most relevant to your search. There are a lot of factors that feed into our determination, including your location when you enter your search criteria (hence the different results based on your IP address).

We do currently allow for geotargeting of results. E.g. when you manage your Site Match URLs you can select which regions will see your URLs.

Dolemite

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Msg#: 1929 posted 8:23 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dolemite,

as of Feb 18th, the Yahoo! Search results are delivered by the Yahoo! Search Technology (YST) engine. YST was developed from the ground up, but did use some information and experience from the Inktomi, AltaVista and FAST. So we no longer deliver "Inktomi Results", though there may be some overlap with what was previously delivered.

I'm still a bit confused, since what I'm seeing from search.yahoo.com in the US at the moment is what looks to me like Google results, whereas uk.search.yahoo.com produces results very close to Positiontech's pure Inktomi search or MSN/Ink search. Is this YST in the US (but very similar to Google) and Inktomi in the UK, or is the google->YST transition still happening? Will US results start looking more like UK results at some point?

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 9:28 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dolemite,

The new Yahoo! Search results are displayed in the US (on Yahoo! and our partners' sites) We're in the process of rolling it out to other countries.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 9:32 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

nkakar,

Yahoo! still serves results to MSN. However, each portal may have slightly different configurations which can affect the results for a search. Also most portals will periodically run tests. These tests can also affect what you see between portals and even if you do the same search within a portal.

Marval

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Msg#: 1929 posted 9:58 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mike - in your reply to mbennie you mention that sites that are in the Directory are crawled and included in the search results - I know you crawl loads of my sites, including my main "authority" site that is listed in the directory - and you show the 20,000 backlinks to my domain correctly, as well as knowing about the pages in the site - however I can type the domain in the search and come up empty - although when you were using google results I was top10 for hundreds of phrases and keywords. I know of at least 5 other large sites (friends) that are in exactly the same fix - we've all been around since 1996 or so although Im the newbie - I didnt have my site up till 1999 - an ideas as we are pulling our hair out(what there is left of it). If it helps, we are all still listed in top positions in google, altavista etc. and some have used Ink PFI, some not?

nkakar

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:05 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

thanks mike for your response to my question. I hope this is a test because I come up on yahoo's listings and used to with msn but not anymore. Do you know how long these tests usually run?

thanks a lot mike!

PS: YAHOO HAS BECOME MY FAVORITE ENGINE NOW :)

pmac

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:08 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks very much for taking the time to answer questions Mike.

To help keep the thread readable, can you please quote the question that you are answering?

operafan

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:30 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

"There are a lot of factors that feed into our determination, including your location when you enter your search criteria (hence the different results based on your IP address)."

With regards to certain factors, would any keyword term with a location tied to it ex ( something thailand ) bring preference to sites hosted in thailand itself?

I've checked out certain keyword terms, and dont seem to figure that out - is that a secret or something...?

mbennie

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:40 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

My sources tell me that sites in the Yahoo! Directory have always been crawled.

My site does not get crawled. It has been in both the Yahoo! directory and DMOZ for more than 2 years. Tim has already confirmed that there is an old Inktomi ban on the site. Nobody seems to want to tell me what the problem is.

Every day slurp comes by and gets the robots.txt 6 or 7 times. It doesn't get any of the pages.

The site has been successfully crawled in its entirety by Google, FAST and Alta Vista as all pages are straight .htm extensions.

So, IMHO, being in the directory does not guarantee crawl or inclusion in the index.

walkman



 
Msg#: 1929 posted 5:04 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

"So, IMHO, being in the directory does not guarantee crawl or inclusion in the index"
I think he forgot the * next to it. Same here. Good enough for the directory, radioactive for the search engine. I have honestly given hope. If it happens, I will be pleasantly surprised. I was even told that they don't know why I have a ban. Oh, well. I guess I'll wait till some people e-mail to the new address and see how Y! is handling these.

soapystar

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:11 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

being in the directory does not guarantee being in the serps. I just had a reply saying your site has an editorial decision and the directory is serparate. That was it and they signed it:

cheers
jon

Hows that? We have wrecked your buisness and cheers. I think that tells you how concerned they are about conflicting directory and INK editorial decisions.

So in other words INK penalties overide directory reviews.

soapystar

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Msg#: 1929 posted 3:26 pm on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

being in the directory does not overide a serps penalty. Intersting that again webmasters recieve a reply stating THIS MAY BE THE REASON.....yet Tim has posted saying they know exactly why a site is banned/penalised.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:19 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Regarding Sites that violate the editorial guidelines and how to get your site reviewed...

There have been a lot of questions related to sites that Yahoo! has determined to be in violation of the Yahoo! editorial content guidelines, and how to appeal these decisions. I’ll try to provide some answers by taking you through the review and appeal process:

First, there are editorial guidelines for sites submitted into the Yahoo! Search results. The guidelines are regularly updated and can be found at:
[help.yahoo.com...]

These guidelines apply whether your site is crawled, suggested through the free Add URL service, or included in your Site Match service. So if your site was determined to be in violation when it was crawled or after you suggested the site via the Add URL service, that URL will also be excluded if you submit it using Site Match. Keep in mind that we attempt to be as objective as possible when applying these guidelines. You should review our guidelines and also try to be objective when you evaluate your own site.

If your site was found to be in violation of the guidelines, we do not provide information on why your page or site was excluded. This is to prevent anyone from “gaming” the system. If you used Site Match, your reseller may offer services and advice on what caused your site to violate the content guidelines and what changes you may need to make. Note that with Site Match, if you were found to be in violation, you can make changes to your site and resubmit the URL once more at no additional charge. After the first resubmission, you will be charged again for that URL.

Judging from the activity on this board and others, many people believe their sites were incorrectly excluded from the Yahoo! Search results or previously from the Inktomi results. If you feel that you have corrected the issues that led to your exclusion or if you want to appeal for any reason, you must send an email to reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com

This is the only email address you should use. As you might imagine, we have a backlog of requests for review and we appreciate your patience. We can’t give you a specific timeframe for when you will get a response. It may take at least two months for your site to be reevaluated and may take longer for that site to be updated in the search results.

We are currently evaluating the appeals process for reviewing sites that have been deemed to be in violation of the editorial guidelines. We are in the process of developing a service to expedite this process and will have more information on this service in the near future.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:36 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I see several posts about Directory Review and the relationship to Site Match or Add URL review. I'll try to answer them:

Q: Why is my site in the directory but not in the search results?

there are separate editorial guidelines for

- The Yahoo! Directory
- The Add URL, crawler and Site Match services

First, the directory is reviewed by editors only. Sites from the Add URL, Site Match service or crawler are reviewed both algorithmically and by editors. I'll give you one example of how these evaluations may differ, but there many more.

There are some techniques, such as hidden text, that a human editor would not detect. However, the algorithmic evaluation would catch these problems. The site would be accepted into the directory but not into the Yahoo! Search results. This is OK because the directory listings are not ranked by relevance and therefore are not influenced by the hidden text. But to the algorithmic search, the hidden text is in violation of editorial guidelines because it is an attempt to influence the relevance of the search results.

So inclusion in the directory does not guarantee inclusion in the Search Results.

Q: If my site is in the directory, and I'm not violating the editorial guidelines for the crawler / Add URL, why aren't all my pages available in the Yahoo! Search results

When your site is included in the directory, we will attempt to crawl your site. However, there still may be issues with your site that prevent all the pages from being crawled. A very simple example is if you used Flash (or other technology that crawlers can't navigate) for your home page. That page would be in the directory but the crawler wouldn't be able to navigate the rest of your site. Again, this is just one simple example, but hopefully illustrates what can happen.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:37 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Girlie, just to reiterate what I put in the other post, even if you are accepted into the directory you would not be included in the search results until you resolved the issue with the domain name.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:41 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

to nkakar:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
thanks mike for your response to my question. I hope this is a test because I come up on yahoo's listings and used to with msn but not anymore. Do you know how long these tests usually run?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I can't provide info about this. Some tests are run by Yahoo! and some are run by our partner sites such as MSN

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:42 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just a reminder that we'd like questions posted to the "Question for Yahoo" forum found at:

[webmasterworld.com...]

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