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Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:09 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Admin Note:

Below are Yahoo Mike's initial responses to some of the questions found here [webmasterworld.com].

Please make sure that any additional comments in this thread relate specificly to YM's answers. If you have a new question, please post it in the question thread.

WG


Hello again from Yahoo Mike. This is just a first round of replies to several questions posted in the forum. I'm researching several others and hope to have more information posted either later today or tomorrow. With that said...

[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 6:30 pm (utc) on Mar. 18, 2004]
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Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 3:57 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Cabos:

>>>
If a site wasnt in the results and then the index page shows up does it mean that the penalty was lifted that the rest of the site will be picked up?

Its odd since I can search for a related keyword phrase and the site comes up though when I search for the sites name plus the keyword phrase it doesnt show up in the results.
>>>

It's not possible for me to give you an answer without knowing all the details, but I'll try to provide some info that may help.

The situation you describe doesn't necessarily mean that you site was in violation and then was rereviewed. It could be that the site hadn't been crawled previously, and eventually the index page was found, crawled and included in the index.

There is no guarantee that once the index page is included, the rest of your site will be crawled. But it should increase the liklihood of the rest of your site being crawled (barring other circumstances such as a site design that isn't crawlable).

Your second paragraph does sound odd. The only thing that comes to mind is if your site's name is similar to many other sites.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:02 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

markd

>>>>
Mike, could you please explain a bit more about how one might use the 'geotargeting features'. I haven't been able to find information on this via PositionTech.

For example, how is the geotargeting structured with regard to Yahoo partner SERPS? Is it by server location (ie. if it's located in the UK the site or page won't appear in .com/international searches, or will be at a disadvantage in international searches?), IP address, domain etc.?

For example, I have a site which has a .com domain, is hosted in the UK and targets both UK and US audiences. What would be the best approach to adopt for Site Match?

Hope you can clarify the 'geotargeting' options in the new Yahoo network.
>>>>

The way it works is that you select which countries / regions you want your results delivered to and your URL is included in searches on portals that serve those specific countres or regions. To see more about the geotargeting options, when you add or edit a url, change the "Target" option to either "Regions" or "Countries" and you will see the choices.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:06 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

ChickenJuggler

>>>>>
I was not worried about my site getting spidered. I already have my site in Site Match. I was just curious if one site is not in site match and the other one is would it be better if both were. If there site is not in site match then recnet changes they make that help me would not reflect upon me until they were updated the free way or the paid way. I don't worry about that in Google because they update every day or so. Yahoo does not update like Google because they can make moeny if they don't. Thats fine and I'm sure a great money making decision and I am sure it will work in Y's favor. I am just trying to do in Yahoo what I am doing in Google.
>>>>>

No, it won't affect your site to add the linking site in with Site Match.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:28 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

newwebster and outland88

I am looking into the issues you have raised and will try to post info shortly.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:50 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Nkakar

>>>>>
thanks for the response! Our company manages around 20 websites and a few of the main ones cant be found on yahoo at all after march 18... I checked those domains out and checked them again to take care of any violation issues, how can I resubmit them in? Do other domains on that ip address get the same penalty even if they are not the same content?
>>>>>

It is possible for other sites on the on that IP to also get penalized, even if they have different content. If you feel you have addressed the issues, please resubmit the URL's via the process outlined in a previous post. LMK if you can't find that post.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:59 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

scottyman, I'm looking into this to and will post info here when I get it.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 5:02 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Soapystar

As mentioned previously we're looking to update and improve our review system and trying to get back to everyone ASAP.

markd

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Msg#: 1929 posted 11:19 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for your reply Mike.

So once I have selected my geo choices, does this mean a 'level playing field' for the SERPS based purely on the relevance to the search and the SE's algo?

Domain, site location, IP address etc. has no effect on how or if the URL will be returned in a relevant search in any of the geo options I have selected throughout Yahoo network?

I want to make my Site Match entries as relevant as possible to me (as I will be paying for it) and the searcher, so any additional criteria on geo targeting would be much appreciated. Obviously, I want to avoid a situation where a 'UK audience' site is being returned in international searchers or vice versa.

Thanks

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:25 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

markd

>>>>
Domain, site location, IP address etc. has no effect on how or if the URL will be returned in a relevant search in any of the geo options I have selected throughout Yahoo network?
>>>>

When you use geotargeting, you are choosing which geos to be included in (and conversely where to be excluded from). However, the relevance of the results may also be influenced by other factors including site location / domain. It is dependent on the type of query and whether sites located in that geo would be more relevant. e.g. someone looking for local services is probably better served by a company located in that country.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:33 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

vince

>>>>
My questions are, will the new search continue to allow this to happen and if it does, how can we report it and get Yahoo to listen?
>>>>

You should report sites you think are violating the content guidelines to reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com We have a lot of reports and are working to get through them all. If it is found in violation of the content guidelines it will be excluded from the index

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:38 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

enotalone

>>>>> all i was asking why we were dropped from the index.

We can't provide everyone with specific reasons why their site does not appear. If we did, then those who are trying to "game" the system would refine their tactics until they succeeded. If you have carefully reviewed the guidelines and corrected any problems, then once your site is reviewed again it will be included if indeed any issues were resolved.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:40 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

sid560

>>>
My question is this: If one site is banned do you ban all the sites on the same IP? It looks to me as if you do. If you do, that is very difficult to try to determine which site was the problem, in order to correct.
>>>

It is possible that multiple sites on the same IP would be banned if there were many sites that were found to violate the content guidelines. The best thing you can do is to review each site and try to correct the issues.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:44 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Eljaybe

>>>>
don't you think it's spamming to have a domain name like....
www.widgets-widgets-widgets-widgets-widgets.com
>>>>

Having a domain similar to this won't in itself constitute a violation. However, it's does raise a red flag. It's one of many factors that is considered.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:45 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

jrokesmith

>>>>
Is the site 1) penalized or 2) was it dropped because of the directory editorial change and needs to be respidered?
>>>>

the editorial change would not cause your site to be dropped. It is more likely in violation of the editorial guidelines.

markd

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Msg#: 1929 posted 8:19 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mike

<<<<<<
However, the relevance of the results may also be influenced by other factors
>>>>>

Thanks again for your reply.

Because we are essentially paying per click, I want to be clear on what those 'other factors' are. I DON'T expect to know about the algo of each Yahoo owned engine.

But, and specifically on the geo issue, we do have sites which are hosted in the UK, have a .com domain and target 'international' (primarily US) and UK audiences. What I want to know is if I choose to include this site using the geo targeting options for UK and US will it be disadvantaged if someone for example uses the 'worldwide' search on AV, in 'any language' on Fast because of its UK location.

I am asking this question so I know where to channel budged, not to gain some kind of insider knowledge.

What I want to do is ensure the choices I make means that budget is spent effectively and that my UK based site, using a .com comes to the attention of a US audience.

Thanks and I hope you can clarify this for me. I actually am poised to use the Site Match programme, but want to make the right decisions.

soapystar

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Msg#: 1929 posted 9:43 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo_Mike
"It is possible that multiple sites on the same IP would be banned if there were many sites that were found to violate the content guidelines. The best thing you can do is to review each site and try to correct the issues. "

are you saying that if a large number of sites on a single IP are considered spam then all sites on that IP get a penalty whether they are spam or not? If 95 sites on IP were spamming and 5 were not would the 5 go down with the 95?

yaelede

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:12 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Zillons of websites use shared IP webhosting because of limited number of IPs.
Why doesn't Yahoo use domain name resolving instead of IP number? Is it sooo difficult?
Thousands of innocent websites are punished by Yahoo because of spammers without knowing about it at all. It's not fair!

pmac

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:26 pm on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

YahooMike said

It is possible for other sites on the on that IP to also get penalized, even if they have different content.

Did you really mean to say this Mike? Some clarity would be appreciated.

jrokesmith

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:46 pm on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for answering my question Yahoo_Mike. Here's a follow up. It seems like the index page doesn't show up in the search results, however other pages on the site do show up in the search results. Does that mean that the problem (violation of editorial guidelines) is with the index page? Or would that be a just generic penalty? If there is a penalty, I would like to figure out how we are breaking the guidelines (We can't see anything wrong and have gone through the site in detail).

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:19 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

In response to a couple of directory questions:

If you do not have the ID / email address registered for your Yahoo! Express directory listing, you should email bizex-general@yahoo-inc.com

Once you have your email address, to update or change your Yahoo! Express directory listing, you can use the following link.

[add.yahoo.com...]

Eljaybe

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Msg#: 1929 posted 8:59 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Mike,

Thanks for all your help.

However, the email address you posted does not work. I just had it rejected.

bizex-admin@yahoo-inc.com

What now?

Eljaybe

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Msg#: 1929 posted 9:01 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

By the way, I did use bizex-general@yahoo-inc.com when I sent the email... then it came back with the "admin" email address, and was rejected. Very strange.

sid560

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:14 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim or Mike,

Been working on my content and linking. Removed all my redirects. Found out something interesting. Once redirects were removed the url still when to one of my home pages. Talked with my managed server company and found out all of my domains had the DNS set up with a wildcard.

I have ordered all domain have the wildcard removed immediatley. That will be done today.

Was the DNS wildcard thing possibily a problem from Yahoo!s standpoint. I had previously asked for a site review. Will removing the wildcard setup possibly get me back in but the site review?

Thanks,

catch_22

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:09 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I need some expert advice on a strange occurence in Yahoo.

'I have a website ranked well in Google and several other engines, but the index is pretty low on Yahoo. When I started this site, I purchased a similar domain and had the 'domain forward' feature added to it. So when you click on the 2nd domain, it opens my existing website, but all pages have the 2nd url in the address bar. That is the only difference.
In addition, this 2nd domain shows up for the same backlinks that my Original domain has. I have never optimized for the 2nd one. I purchased Inktomi submit for both last year. Recently I upgraded Domain #1 to Overture site match, but Domain #2 is still riding under Inktomi.

Now Domain #2 (in the last few weeks) has been showing up for all kinds of keywords on the 1st page of Yahoo. But Domain #1 is still not to be seen.

Has anyone ever heard of this? Also, will/can this hurt me in regards to 'duplicate sites', even though I only have 'one' site...and 2 domains? They seem to be treated as the same site. I am confused. Any ideas?'

Jimville

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Msg#: 1929 posted 3:09 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Mike,

8 or 10 months ago I changed my dynamic urls (&, =, and?) to /. So, a url that was www.mydomain.com/?city=10 now looks like www.mydomain.com/default.asp/city/10. This was done with Spider Safe URL. It was done to help spiders read the dynamic pages.

Now, both sets of urls are indexed, but only the old set is ranked (or not ranked as the case may be). Is there anything I can do to get the new urls ranked? (The old urls are not on the site anywhere.)

Is it possible that these pages are victums of a duplicate content penalty, since the same page has different urls?

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:21 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)


Eljaybe and chinkchink,

I'll look into why this is happening. It should be the correct address. Just to be clear, was the email bounced back to you as undeliverable (ie as if it's an invalid email address)

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:30 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Soapystar and others...

>>>>
are you saying that if a large number of sites on a single IP are considered spam then all sites on that IP get a penalty whether they are spam or not? If 95 sites on IP were spamming and 5 were not would the 5 go down with the 95?
>>>>

Yes, if there is a large number of sites on an IP address range that are spam sites, then others that share that IP range will be considered in violation. Keep in mind that in pretty much all of these cases that we've encountered, it's because someone is intentionally using a large number of sites specifially to increase their rankings / game the system. There are very few cases that someone is caught in this type of situation by mistake.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:38 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

sid560,

Yes the wildcards could cause problems.

outland88

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:54 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

If my sites that were penalized have been included in Yahoo why aren't they reincluded in the Fast and Inktomi engines? Been waiting on an answer for a long time.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:55 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

ptietze

>>>>>
Are the new pages being withheld from the Yahoo serps due to the Inktomi PFI listing of the original pages? What can I expect after April 15, when the trial Site Match program ends?
>>>>>

There can be some inconsistencies between the results you see in Yahoo! and MSN, AltaVista and other sites. It is not at all related to your use of Inktomi PFI. On April 15, the Inktomi PFI pages will no longer appear in Yahoo! results but will continue to appear in the original distribution of your Inktomi program

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 5:04 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

outland88

>>>>>
If my sites that were penalized have been included in Yahoo why aren't they reincluded in the Fast and Inktomi engines? Been waiting on an answer for a long time.
>>>>>

For some types of queries, Yahoo! may return pages even though they were judged in violation of guidelines. Other SE's that are part of the Yahoo! network may not return the results. Again it's dependent on the query and I can't provide more detailed information.

The bottom line is that it sounds very much like your site was found in violation of the guidelines. If that issue is resolved you will appear in all of the Yahoo! network sites.

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