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Yahoo Mike answers some more questions
Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 12:09 am on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Admin Note:

Below are Yahoo Mike's initial responses to some of the questions found here [webmasterworld.com].

Please make sure that any additional comments in this thread relate specificly to YM's answers. If you have a new question, please post it in the question thread.

WG


Hello again from Yahoo Mike. This is just a first round of replies to several questions posted in the forum. I'm researching several others and hope to have more information posted either later today or tomorrow. With that said...

[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 6:30 pm (utc) on Mar. 18, 2004]
[edit reason] thread split [/edit]

 

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:45 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Operafan

>>>>
With regards to certain factors, would any keyword term with a location tied to it ex ( something thailand ) bring preference to sites hosted in thailand itself?
>>>>

Remember that location terms in the search are only one factor. It would depend on what the rest of the query was. Also, it's dependent on where your search was initiated from. If you're searching from the US and you ask for "Travel to Thailand" you are likely to be looking for a US based travel agency that can help you travel to Thailand, not necessarily a site based in Thailand.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 2:13 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

CarlR

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When a site signs up for Site Match, and a URL is refused. What can we do with this?

- Do we need to re-submit the URL again?
- How can we know what's wrong with the URL?
- Do we have to pay again for the review?
- What happens with the $50 deposit (for PPC) if your URL was refused?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Answers for you, in the order they were asked...
- You need to address the issue that caused the rejection and resubmit the URL

- Your reseller may be able to provide you with information on why your URL was rejected, but you should also carefully review the content guidelines and objectively review your site with those guidelines in mind

- You get a second review of the URL at no additional cost, however after that you must pay again for review.

- If your URL is not accepted and you do not want to use the Site Match service, your $50 deposit will be refunded by your reseller.

operafan

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Msg#: 1929 posted 3:44 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

With regards to this quote from Yahoo Mike "There are some techniques, such as hidden text, that a human editor would not detect."

Why don't Yahoo tell the editors to use Opera browser which you can use "User Mode" or disable images to see what tricks are site submitters up too :)

Kirby

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Msg#: 1929 posted 4:32 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I forgot about some domains that for the last 3 years have pointed to a site that has disappeared from the index in the last few weeks. I suspect this is the reason:

From [help.yahoo.com...]
Pages dedicated to directing the user to another page
Pages that have substantially the same content as other pages

If true, then sabatoging another's site is relatively easy and it looks like it could be a while before it can be fixed based on this:
As you might imagine, we have a backlog of requests for review and we appreciate your patience. We can’t give you a specific timeframe for when you will get a response. It may take at least two months for your site to be reevaluated and may take longer for that site to be updated in the search results.

I hope this isnt the case, but if it is, you need to speed up the review process dramatically.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 9:30 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

To Flobaby and Umbra

>>>>>>>>>
I have also noticed a problem with Yahoo and 301 Redirects. One page of ours is ranking very well for a keyword, but the displayed URL should resolve to the actual redirect. Looking forward to a reply about this...
>>>>>>>>>

The issue you have noted is a bug in our current handling of 301 redirects. In some cases the Yahoo! Search crawler will index the URL of the 301 redirect page instead of the destination page. We are working to fix this by the next index cycle (typically 2 to 4 weeks) and appreciate your patience while we resolve this.

flobaby

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:48 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo_Mike,
Thank you 10,000 fold for replying on the 301 issue. It's extremely heartening to know that a fix will be made within a month or so.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:51 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

mbennie

>>>>>
If a site is currently banned due to an extremely old Inktomi penalty that has been corrected, can that site get a fresh look and re-inclusion by paying the Site Match fee for the home page?
Or, would that old penalty automatically disqualify the site from re-inclusion in the index?
>>>>>

Your site will be reviewed again if the URL is submitted to Site Match. There is no guarantee that it will be accepted. You should follow the content guidelines as I mentioned in a previous post. If you are working with a reseller, they may be able to provide guidance to you as to whether you have potential violations. If you submit a URL and we find that you are no longer in violation of the content guidelines your site will be accepted in Site Match.

soapystar

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Msg#: 1929 posted 10:58 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you submit a URL and we find that you are no longer in violation of the content guidelines your site will be accepted in Site Match.

but you can do that via the email address you posted right?....or not right?....what if a site is banned and cant affor 30 cents a click if it gets through sitematch?...what about banned sites that cant afford that route?....will you continue to review via the email address for free?

textex

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Msg#: 1929 posted 2:04 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

"but you can do that via the email address you posted right?....or not right?....what if a site is banned and cant affor 30 cents a click if it gets through sitematch?...what about banned sites that cant afford that route?....will you continue to review via the email address for free? "

Would like to know this as well.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 8:08 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

textex and soapystar

>>>>>>>>>
"but you can do that via the email address you posted right?....or not right?....what if a site is banned and cant affor 30 cents a click if it gets through sitematch?...what about banned sites that cant afford that route?....will you continue to review via the email address for free? "
>>>>>>>>>

Yes, you can use the email address but it will take longer than using Site Match.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 8:25 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

to Crobb305

>>>>>>>>>
In a previous post, it was mentioned that those with penalties should not bother paying for Site Match, because the penalties carried over. Yahoo_mike, are you now saying that this is no longer true? If the needed changes are made to the site, and a Site Match editor deems it appropriate for the index, will the editor manually remove the pre-existing penalty? What if the editor doesn't realize there is a penalty (doesn't properly investigate)?
>>>>>>>>>

I guess I was a bit ambiguous. If your site was previously deemed to violate the editorial guidelines and you made no changes to the site then it will not be accepted into Site Match.

If you *change* your site and get it to a point where you feel it no longer violates the guidelines, then you could submit it to Site Match and it may be included into the Yahoo! results (dependent on whether your changed site was no longer in violation).

projectphp

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Msg#: 1929 posted 2:45 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yep, that's what happens. If you PPC budget runs out, your Site Match URLs will no longer be available until you add funds to your account. The exception is that if that same URL was previously crawled, then the URL will continue to appear because it remains in the crawler’s index.(my emphasis added)

OK, so this quote is making my head spin.

Scenario: I have a site that is currently indexed by YST. I decide to enrol in SiteMatch. At some point my money runs out, so what happens? Does my original indexing now apply? (the above post implies it does). If so, which crawl data will this result set use, the last crawl BEFORE I joined SiteMatch, or does the page continue to get crawled by two seperate bots after joining the SiteMatch program? For how long will the page be crawled? As often as any other freely crawled page or less frequently?

Lothar

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Msg#: 1929 posted 2:47 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

In regards to the last answer posted by Yahoo Mike, here are my questions in numbered outline:

1. How would a Yahoo SiteMatch editor even know if the site has a penalty? Is that one of the first things they check when reviewing a site?

2. Is there a field to enter a comment when submitting your site to Site Match to let the editor know that the submitted site may have a penalty?

Thank you.

2_much

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Msg#: 1929 posted 5:46 pm on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just a reminder that we'd like questions posted to the "Question for Yahoo" forum found at:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Further questions will be spliced and added to the other thread.

webmktg

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Msg#: 1929 posted 1:19 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Mike,

I have noticed Yahoo is switching ranking algorithems. Also it is clear for me that Yahoo search results changing with alogorithem changes. What is the reason behind this behaviour? Also could you please comment about the factors Yahoo consider when ranking pages.

a_chameleon

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:11 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)


Yahoo Mike - my site is #8 for the prime search term in our industry.. but nowhere to be found in AlltheWeb.

Didn't AllTheWeb convert to 'Yahoo driven' SERP's..?

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:22 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

to projectphp

>>>>>>>>>
Scenario: I have a site that is currently indexed by YST. I decide to enrol in SiteMatch. At some point my money runs out, so what happens? Does my original indexing now apply? (the above post implies it does). If so, which crawl data will this result set use, the last crawl BEFORE I joined SiteMatch, or does the page continue to get crawled by two seperate bots after joining the SiteMatch program? For how long will the page be crawled? As often as any other freely crawled page or less frequently?
>>>>>>>>>

The activity of the crawler is never "interrupted" or affected by submitting your URLs to Site Match. So whatever pages were crawled and indexed before you joined Site Match will still be in the Index if you leave the program or let your CPC funds lapse. As for "how long" and "how often" your pages get crawled, it would be the same whether you'd joined and dropped out of Site Match or if you'd never participated in the program

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:26 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Lothar:

>>>>>>>>>>>
1. How would a Yahoo SiteMatch editor even know if the site has a penalty? Is that one of the first things they check when reviewing a site?

2. Is there a field to enter a comment when submitting your site to Site Match to let the editor know that the submitted site may have a penalty?
>>>>>>>>>>>

1. Our editors do have access to that information when reviewing a site.

2. Currently there is no field to communicate that you have a previous penalty when you submit your URLs. However, as mentioned in #1, the editors will know that you were found to be in violation of the content guidelines

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:29 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

to webmktg:

>>>>>
I have noticed Yahoo is switching ranking algorithems. Also it is clear for me that Yahoo search results changing with alogorithem changes. What is the reason behind this behaviour? Also could you please comment about the factors Yahoo consider when ranking pages
>>>>>

We do periodically update and change our ranking algorithms in an effort to continue to improve our search results. This may affect how your site ranks. We do not provide informatin on the specific factors or weighting used in order to prevent "gaming" of the rules.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:38 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Randal

>>>>>
If I have a nice placement, say # 1 or # 2 for a prime keyword, should I just leave things alone, and not submit the site?
>>>>>

If you are satisfied with your placement in the Yahoo! results (and it sounds like you are), you may not need to use Site Match. There are additional benefits to site match which you may want to consider (e.g. more rapid refresh of your pages in the index).

WebGuerrilla

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Msg#: 1929 posted 3:05 am on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)


Final Admin Reminder: This thread is not the place to ask new questions. The only posts in this thread other than Tim's or Yahoo Mike's should be follow-up questions to an answer provided in this thread.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:31 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sounds like I was missed :-)

If some answers sound like "slick PR", It's probably because a few of my responses are reiterating what Yahoo's official policies and procedures are. I'm actually not in PR or Sales (not that there's anything wrong with that)...

The questions regarding "why did my site drop in the listings" or disappear are pretty much dependent on individual circumstances. There are certainly times when a site was previously considered in violation of the content guidelines and the situation has since been rectified. But in many cases, sites that were deemed in violation are still violating the guidelines. We do have a current appeals process in place (outlined previously).

As stated in other posts, Yahoo is looking at how to change some our processes to provide more information and faster resolution for those sites that have fixed any problems with their site. It's not just lip service, we do take these issues very seriously and want to get them resolved as quickly as possible.

With that said, I'm going to answer some questions from the "Questions for Yahoo" forum at. If your question isn't answered, we will try to get you info ASAP. In some cases, a little research is required. The place to post new questions is:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:32 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

nkakar

>>>>>
Mike, is it true that if you do a search for your domain and all the pages are there, yet if u do an exact search for your titles on the domain, you dont show up, you're being penalized 100%?
let me know what you guys think?
>>>>>

It sounds like you have been found in violation of the editorial guidelines, if indeed you don't show up at all in the latter case.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:33 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>>
I'm looking for a list of search engines that SiteMatch covers.
>>>>>

Site Match covers Yahoo!, AltaVista, AllTheWeb and many other US and International portals (dependent on how you use the geotargeting features).

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:33 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

seasalt:

>>>>
1. Assume a 'penalty' was incurred by an algo (no human review).
Can one also assume that once the instigating factors are removed the site would be restored via the algo? Or is it 'once and out'?

2. If a site is in the Y! directory and has incurred some kind of penalty from elsewhere in the Y! system, will the penalty be looked at before the directory is crawled?
>>>>>

1. when you fix the "instigating factor" you need to appeal via the process outlined previously in this forum.

2. If you are in the directory but are in violation of the content guidelines, your site will not be crawled.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:34 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

helenp

>>>>>>>
After apealed to e-mail you posted for apealing, and when site has been reviewed, will ve have any notice of results? and posible time could take for inclusion on all sites owned by yahoo suposing site is accepted?
>>>>>>>

Currently you do not receive an official notice of the results. It can take anywhere from a few days to several weeks for the site to be crawled if the appeal is approved.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:35 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Chicken Juggler

>>>>>>>
I just realized that there is a good site that added a link to my site. Can I add their front page to site match. What are the ramifications of doing this besides the fact that I have to pay money? It is worth it to me to have Yahoo spider it and consider the outgoing links so my site does better.
>>>>>>>

Adding the site using Site Match wouldn't help you get spidered. With Site match only the submitted page is considered for inclusion. You could use the free AddURL to add the site, as AddURL will use the page as a "starting point". You should use your best judgment about linking back to the site. The best rule of thumb is, if it would be good for site visitors, it won't harm your ranking in the serps.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 7:36 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

seasalt:

>>>
Does AV have its own penalty database? Is something else going on?
>>>

AV doesn't have it's own violations DB. Don't know why you are experiencing that problem but I will try to get more info.

cabos

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Msg#: 1929 posted 8:20 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mike,

If a site wasnt in the results and then the index page shows up does it mean that the penalty was lifted that the rest of the site will be picked up?

Its odd since I can search for a related keyword phrase and the site comes up though when I search for the sites name plus the keyword phrase it doesnt show up in the results.

Thanks,

Cabos

markd

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1929 posted 8:44 am on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

<< Site Match covers Yahoo!, AltaVista, AllTheWeb and many other US and International portals (dependent on how you use the geotargeting features). >>>

Mike, could you please explain a bit more about how one might use the 'geotargeting features'. I haven't been able to find information on this via PositionTech.

For example, how is the geotargeting structured with regard to Yahoo partner SERPS? Is it by server location (ie. if it's located in the UK the site or page won't appear in .com/international searches, or will be at a disadvantage in international searches?), IP address, domain etc.?

For example, I have a site which has a .com domain, is hosted in the UK and targets both UK and US audiences. What would be the best approach to adopt for Site Match?

Hope you can clarify the 'geotargeting' options in the new Yahoo network.

Yahoo_Mike

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Msg#: 1929 posted 3:57 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Cabos:

>>>
If a site wasnt in the results and then the index page shows up does it mean that the penalty was lifted that the rest of the site will be picked up?

Its odd since I can search for a related keyword phrase and the site comes up though when I search for the sites name plus the keyword phrase it doesnt show up in the results.
>>>

It's not possible for me to give you an answer without knowing all the details, but I'll try to provide some info that may help.

The situation you describe doesn't necessarily mean that you site was in violation and then was rereviewed. It could be that the site hadn't been crawled previously, and eventually the index page was found, crawled and included in the index.

There is no guarantee that once the index page is included, the rest of your site will be crawled. But it should increase the liklihood of the rest of your site being crawled (barring other circumstances such as a site design that isn't crawlable).

Your second paragraph does sound odd. The only thing that comes to mind is if your site's name is similar to many other sites.

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