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WebGuerrilla

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 9:01 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)


Over the past couple of weeks, we’ve been fortunate to have several Yahoo employees spending time answering questions about the new Yahoo Search.

This level of participation in a webmaster forum from a public search company is truly unprecedented, and is something we definitely would like to continue. However, the shear volume of questions and responses we’ve received has created some threads that have become quite difficult to follow.

So, in order to try and make things a bit easier to follow, I think now would be a good time to move to a Q & A similar to the format that we’ve used in the past in the Google forum.

Here’s how it will work:

Questions will be posted in this thread. We will let this thread run for the next few days. Once we have a solid list of quality questions, this thread will be locked. If/when someone from Yahoo Search decides to respond to a question from this thread, we will split off that particular Q&A into its own thread. Any follow-up questions or discussions will take place in the new thread. Doing this will help us keep everything on-topic.

With that in mind, here are some ground rules:

1. Keep the questions focused on Yahoo Search’s products and services. (No asking Tim what his favorite color is)

2. Keep the questions short and sweet. (You will have the opportunity to get long-winded in any follow-up discussions).

3. No specific site information. (We are not the Yahoo help desk or spam police)

4. Keep the tone positive and professional. (All rants will be nuked)

5. Read the other questions before you post yours. (I hate spending time deleting duplicates).

And finally, please keep in mind that just because you ask, doesn’t mean you will get an answer. There are obviously many questions that Yahoo can’t/won’t answer. And we (Mods/Admins) have no input or control regarding which questions, if any, they choose to answer.

WG

 

scottyman

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 10:55 pm on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a number of clients who use express submission services with Ink. When the new Yahoo index came out I was surprised how well many of these and other (non Ink feed customers) had been indexed.

Now however, I have a few sites which only list the home page under the advanced search feature. It was my understanding that all Ink url's would be in Yahoo (assuming no peanlty)?

Strangly, the sites mentioned above had multiple pages indexed when the new index came out. Now just the home page. Any ideas why?

nkakar

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 11:17 pm on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mike,

thanks for the response! Our company manages around 20 websites and a few of the main ones cant be found on yahoo at all after march 18... I checked those domains out and checked them again to take care of any violation issues, how can I resubmit them in? Do other domains on that ip address get the same penalty even if they are not the same content?

thanks again buddy!

Vince

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 1:03 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

One of our competitors is using at least 3 different URLs that all redirect or link to their main web site. Once a year they change their main URL and are able to keep the old URLs in the serps. They currently rank 2,6,9 with our main keyword with the old URLs (their main URL is not even in the serps). They are also listed twice in the same business directory category under two different URLs that redirect to the same web site. So far, Yahoo has not responded to our emails.

My questions are, will the new search continue to allow this to happen and if it does, how can we report it and get Yahoo to listen?

Thanks

Eljaybe

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 2:24 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Today, when I searched my most competitive keyword phrase on Yahoo, I found a site that came up on Page 1 of the search results that I'm not sure belongs there. (My site is listed on Page 2 through Site Match.) I don't know if this other site uses Site Match, but don't you think it's spamming to have a domain name like....

www.widgets-widgets-widgets-widgets-widgets.com

?

soapystar

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 4:47 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

how is www.widgets-widgets-widgets-widgets-widgets.com? You might say its spammy but that isnt the same as spam. You might not like it but whats the problem? I would have thought the only thing that matters is the content on the site.

cyberfyber

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 5:04 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

hehe,

I was going to say, add one more widget at the end and buy that domain if it troubles you so much.

:)

jrs_66

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 5:52 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I have a site which due to many subdomains has been penalized by yahoo for about 2 years. The site is quite legit and does very well in google. A few months back most of the subdomains were removed and replaced with a path type structure. I then sent email to Tim requesting a look. In the past few weeks I've been seeing a slow and steady increase in pages listed (~100 per day) when doing a site:domain.com yahoo search. Problem is that these pages remain burried at the bottom of the search and could only be found using a quoted exact phrase search. Does anyone know if this increase in listed pages will eventually result in a lifting of the penalty? Is it just a matter of waiting? In addition, our PFI pages rank quite well in yahoo- I thought they weren't supposed to be treated any differently.

-thanks

jrokesmith

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 6:49 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim, and Yahoo_Mike, thanks for being around to answer our questions. This is a repeat of an earlier question with a few more details. I have had a site that has been in the Yahoo directory for several years. About a month ago, the site was up for renewal. A Yahoo Directory editor changed the title of the site but did not change the description. Near the end of March, the site was no longer in the SERP (it has hundreds of pages of unique content). Now if I search for the domain name, the site site comes up, but there are no other pages that appear to be in the index. To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing spammy or that violates Yahoo guidelines - it is very popular with users. Is the site 1) penalized or 2) was it dropped because of the directory editorial change and needs to be respidered? Obviously it may be difficult to tell without seeing the site, but any information in addition to what you have posted already would be helpful to me and might be helpful to others as well.

sid560

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 7:00 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim or Mike

All the sites on my IP were banned. It is hard to believe that they all did not meet content guidelines.

My question is this: If one site is banned do you ban all the sites on the same IP? It looks to me as if you do. If you do, that is very difficult to try to determine which site was the problem, in order to correct.

jrokesmith

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 7:06 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok, I think I have a better idea of what happened. When I search for the domain name, only one thing comes up - the listing in the Yahoo directory. When I click on more apges from this site, nothing else comes up. However, I did find another page on this site in the index and SERP for another term. When I clicked on more pages from this site under this page, almost 1000 pages came up. It seems like yahoo is having difficulty reconciling the new directory listing with the pages that were already crawled in the directory. Will this issue resolve itself?

jrokesmith

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 7:14 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok, I think I have a better idea of what happened. When I search for the domain name, only one thing comes up - the listing in the Yahoo directory. When I click on more apges from this site, nothing else comes up. However, I did find another page on this site in the index and SERP for another term. When I clicked on more pages from this site under this page, almost 1000 pages came up. It seems like yahoo is having difficulty reconciling the new directory listing with the pages that were already crawled in the directory. Will this issue resolve itself?

enotalone

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 9:39 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

not really a question here but i wrote to yahoo today letting them know that though we pay through position tech non of our pages will appear if you search for site title! for some reason they thought i am asking for a better ranking and sent me this though all i was asking why we were dropped from the index.


HI ,

We can't answer questions about how our algorithm ranks sites.
Given that I also can't give advice as to what to do to increase your
rank. That's a question every webmaster on earth would want us
to answer, and I don't see how we could answer them all.

I will, however, treat your question as a request for review, and
submit it accordingly.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is some basic information about our review process, so you know
what to expect.

We look at all the site reviews we've received.

Our purpose in doing site review is to give Yahoo search users the best
search experience possible. That means if a site is not getting the
ranking we think it should, we look into why.

With site reviews, about 90% of the time, we feel the site is ranking
correctly and we change nothing. In many of those cases, nothing
unusual is occurring to cause the site's de-ranking; it's just the
natural shifting that occurs as we adjust our algorithm. (we've also
seen cases where the site owner wrote in asking to be un-banned, but
the crawler had never discovered his site in the first place.) In many
other cases, the site doesn't meet the standards of our Content Policy.
[help.yahoo.com...]

In the remaining cases, we do our best to correct a site's rank. Keep
in mind our ability to do this is limited; it is an algorithmic search
engine. Further, changes can take 30-60 days or longer to show up, as
software is updated and the search engine reindexes the web.

We cannot disclose reasons or outcomes, nor can we provide analysis
or consulting services.

Thank you for your request for review!

Spam Reporting
Yahoo! Corp.


enotalone

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 10:57 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok and after i responded yahoo! explaining all i wanted to know why we got dropped they sent me this. nice to know that at least the site will be reviewed.

Hi,

Realize the people on the web forums do not know how our
algorithm works. They constantly put up new and different
theories to try to explain the behavior of our algorithm.

"banned" relates to one of their theories. Unfortunately
that particular theory has given people the impression that
there is a man behind the curtain with his finger on a switch,
and if you can get him to throw that switch your ranking will
go up.

As a result we get hundreds of emails asking for review.

I can't make comments about any of that because I signed a
legal document called a non-disclosure agreement, but what
I can do and have done, is submit your site for review, so
people will look over what's causing its ranking, inclusion or
lack thereof, and make corrections as we see fit.

Spam Reporting
Yahoo Corp.


helenp

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 11:10 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>>>>>>>>"banned" relates to one of their theories. Unfortunately
that particular theory has given people the impression that
there is a man behind the curtain with his finger on a switch,
and if you can get him to throw that switch your ranking will
go up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I do not understand, if there is an manual review for penaliazing, suppose one man (or woman) give the switch to ban one site?

Anybody asked for better ranking? thats heavy.
or is banned the same as bad ranking?

I hopefully think that yahoo as well seing sites crying, asking and wondering, think that as well we are helping them in improve their new search engine.

outland88

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 1:41 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

>"banned" relates to one of their theories. Unfortunately that particular theory has given people the impression that there is a man behind the curtain with his finger on a switch, and if you can get him to throw that switch your ranking will go up.

I haven't seen anything that off the wall in a while. Whoever made those comments is a child. The usage of the word their shows a paranoid "us" against "them" mentality.

It's pathetic that people like this are wrecking the livelihoods of many. But I truly can't say it surprises me in the least

sachac

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 1:45 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim or Mike

My company's website was dropped by Yahoo. To have it reviewed and eventually re-included, I paid for Site Match over 2 weeks ago. To date I have not heard anything. How long does this process take?

The site in question is the one in my profile.

Please reply.

ptietze

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 12:23 pm on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim or Mike,

My site has a number of pages listed in Inktomi’s PFI program. These pages show up in both MSN and Yahoo serps in good position. I just added some additional pages to the site. If I search for the full page title enclosed in quotes, it appears in the Yahoo serps, but not in MSN. Without the quotes the page is nowhere to be found in either Yahoo or MSN.

Additional information --

The site is in the Yahoo directory
The new pages have good position in Google.

Are the new pages being withheld from the Yahoo serps due to the Inktomi PFI listing of the original pages? What can I expect after April 15, when the trial Site Match program ends?

soapystar

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 12:38 pm on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

>"banned" relates to one of their theories. Unfortunately that particular theory has given people the impression that there is a man behind the curtain with his finger on a switch, and if you can get him to throw that switch your ranking will go up.<

LOL!

Of course sending out emails stating "editorial judgement" would in itself give the impression of a human review. We're talking about NO rankings, not low rankings!"

Chris_D

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 1:23 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

A client, with nearly $10K of PFI just got this offer:

Promotion 3
Customers with active URLs, currently in either the Inktomi Search Submit or FAST PartnerSite programs, will receive a $25 discount for each unique domain/host moved to the Overture Site Match program.
* This promotion is valid until May 1st, 2004.

Read it closely. $25 per unique domain/host - not $25 per URL. At 200 URLS thats about 12.5 cents per URL discount! How compelling is that!

Is this a joke Mike & Tim?

Yahoo has, so far:
1. unilaterally decided to suspend the ability to substitute URLS without notice from January
2. removed access to the entire URL history in the online account pre January 26 2004.

Mike & Tim - maybe if you delivered what people had already paid for, and managed your customers, and thought through your strategy - there'd be less confusion and you'd have more customers.

My question is therefore - is Promotion 3 a sick April fools joke?

ukgimp

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 10:05 am on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've got one :)

No doubt there are plenty of serious questions, so I will try and move away from that.

Do you Yahoo! or have you been known to "(insert other well know engines here)"?

akreider

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 2:18 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

This question has been asked several times already, and I do not think it has been answered by anyone from Yahoo.

Why is Yahoo not indexing pages as well as Google? I have a noncommercial website with 39000 pages indexed by Google, and only 800 by Yahoo.

These pages are almost all dynamic ones. I notice that Yahoo does index some dynamic pages on my website, it just misses 97% of them.

I tried converting my pages to static ones, but it didn't seem to help.

Unfortunately, I now get 95% of my traffic (literally) from Google and a couple other search engines that use it.

Also, it looks like Yahoo includes pages that Googlebot found - but they are buried. For instance, if I do a search for "site:www.domain.com display-info" it will come up with several thousand pages, but if I do "site:www.domain.com" it has only 800. And these new pages seem to come from FRESH googlebot spidering (eg from after the yahoo/google split). Is this true?

cabos

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 2:36 am on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does Yahoo really care about smaller commercial sites being in their search results?

Why would they since Yahoo really wants to control almost every commercial aspect of the web from hosting, email, merchandise to travel services.

In fact despite what Yahoo says about trying to get as many good sites into their index as possible, their real incentive is to leave out previously penalized commercial sites.

Their reason for not giving a reason as to why a site is penalized is total nonsense. Their algo will be figured out anyway and by providing webmasters with specific reasons as to why their site will simply enable legit website owners to comply with guidelines.

Yahoo cares about Yahoo's profit and they couldnt care less whether they harm the ability of 10,000s of smaller website owners to make a living.

Sammy Jankis

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 5:05 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Happy Easter Tim, Mike and everyone at WebmasterWorld,

Tim & Mike,

My site seems to have suffered a penalty but (of course) I can't see why so I'm not sure if that is the case or if there is a technical problem that needs attention. I have emailed webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com to get confirmation but have not received any feedback. Is this the correct address to ask such questions? Should I expect some sort of feedback?

By the way, when trying to use the feedback form here [add.yahoo.com...] if selected as the subject, "web search" is not recognized and returns a validation error.

Thanks in anticipation.

Nick (SJ)

Sunset_Jim

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 6:56 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mike/Tim,

Over a month ago I asked for a review of my site which to my knowledge is "clean" and in compliance with the Yahoo/Inktomi guidelines. I was told my site had a penalty and that it would take 4-8 weeks for the review. My question is: Will I be notified when my site has been reviewed and what the findings are, or will I need to periodically check to see if the penalty has been removed by conducting a search of unique keywords?

helenp

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 7:00 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sunset_Jim
>>>>My question is: Will I be notified when my site has been reviewed and what the findings are, or will I need to periodically check to see if the penalty has been removed by conducting a search of unique keywords?
>>>>>

Yahoo Mike already answered on that in answers from yahoo saying:
>>>Currently you do not receive an official notice of the results. It can take anywhere from a few days to several weeks for the site to be crawled if the appeal is approved. >>>>
So I check once an hour.......

lufc1955

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 8:30 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi all

My site had a Yahoo penalty. I emailed Yahoo and my site now appears in Yahoo.com but is still not appearing in Yahoo.co.uk. The site is a UK site hosted in the UK. My question is "does it take longer for Yahoo.co.uk to be updated or has my site only been put back in Yahoo.com and not Yahoo.co.uk?

Sunset_Jim

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 9:31 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

lufc1955

When did you e-mail Yahoo about reviewing your site?

lufc1955

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 10:13 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sunset Jim

It was about 2 weeks ago. I just hope though that it is a permanent inclusion. Some of the serps look a bit like Google ...

outland88

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 2:18 am on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Some of the serps look a bit like Google ...

If it looks like Google you're still banned.

enotalone

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 4:07 pm on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

outland88 would you please explain more why you think it is the case.


If it looks like Google you're still banned.

interested because as lufc1955 sometimes the results i get especially when searching for site.com search results do look like google results.

mbennie

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1914 posted 4:13 pm on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Mike said:
Yahoo!'s mission is to deliver the highest quality search experience. If we aren't including good sites or artificially boosting our own properties, we won't deliver on our mission and people won't want to use Yahoo! That's not something we're going to let happen.

Does Yahoo! really believe that people will want to use the Yahoo! search engine when users can't find sites that they know to exist?

Can you please define 'good sites'?

I won't even go into the 'artificially boosting our own properties' statement. That's just too spooky for words.

One last question.

The company I own spends approximately $30,000 per month with Overture and an additional $5000 per month with Yahoo! (banners). I am also evaluating a proposal to increase the banner spend to $15,000 per month. Should I continue to spend nearly $500,000 per year with Yahoo! even though Yahoo! won't tell me why they have blacklisted one of my primary properties or should I re-evaluate my advertising budget and spend the money with companies who view me as a partner instead of an adversary?

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