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Tim




msg:821245
 10:57 pm on Mar 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Q. Why should I pay for Site Match if my site is already indexed or may soon be indexed for free?
A. Our primary goal is to discover and include all content on the web through our free web crawling process. We’ve found, though, that both content providers and search users would benefit from greater interaction between sites and the search engine. In fact, for several years a good number of WebmasterWorld posters have been asking for greater clarity from search engines about how to participate and what the “rules” are. The Site Match program addresses this additional need by providing a value-added service that focuses on providing a clearer, more consistent way to interact with Yahoo! Search Technology. Specific components include: the ability to proactively submit content to us, ensured inclusion, frequent refresh, quality review, detailed reporting, and support when problems arise. The program is cost-effective, easy to manage, and includes the ability to control total cost.

Site Match delivers:
1. Higher quality search results for users, especially by reducing the amount of search spam (spammers are economically disincented to participate)
2. A clearer, more consistent way to interact with Yahoo! Search Technology for content providers who historically have been subjected to unpredictable changes in the way their content has been discovered and presented by search engines.

As we’ve said elsewhere, we think these benefits are of value to many businesses, and the considerable demand for the program we’ve seen thus far would seem to support that. However, the program may not be valuable to everyone. We understand this – not everyone wants or needs the value-added service that Site Match offers. And that’s OK, because it’s likely that we already have your web pages in the regular crawl, and if we don’t yet, then we are working on getting them in over time. Discovering and indexing all of the content on the internet for free is a cornerstone of our mission to provide the highest quality search experience on the internet.

Q. Will Yahoo! Search results favor sites that pay for the Site Match program?
A. Absolutely not. Payment is not for placement or ranking in search results. Our focus is on delivering the highest quality search experience on the web. As a result, all web pages are algorithmically ranked in the results based on their objective relevance to each specific search query in order to ensure the highest quality search experience for users.

Q. Will the Inktomi index be merged with the new Yahoo! index before Inktomi disappears?
A: Yes. Today there is a single, new Yahoo! Search Technology. This new search engine powers Yahoo! and will shortly also be powering the search solutions of all our partners. The search engines operated by the companies we acquired, including Inktomi, will no longer power our search results. Yahoo! Slurp, Yahoo!’s new crawler, is already reaching and indexing more of the web than any of our prior technologies did.

Q. If I participate in Site Match, will my site be “banned” from the search index?
A. No. The Site Match and crawling systems are separate (one doesn’t affect content in the other) and participation in Site Match does not result in changes to the index. For instance, if you submit 1 page to Site Match, other pages that may be in the regular index will not be affected.

However, content from both systems is reviewed and evaluated against the same criteria to ensure all content meets a consistent, high quality standard. If you joined the Inktomi Search Submit program, for example, you may have been reviewed. If problems were discovered, your site may have been partially or entirely removed from the search index. The same thing happens to sites that have been discovered through the free crawl process; if problems were discovered, your site may have been partially or entirely removed from the search index. Any review-related penalty is solely designed to ensure the best experience for our users, not to encourage ongoing participation in our inclusion programs.

For our new Site Match program, we’re considering providing content providers with a formal method way to appeal perceived penalties. Please stay tuned…

Q. Does Site Match require both a per-page, per-year fee and a cost-per-click?
A. Site Match has a much lower up-front cost (less than 1/3) than the 3 programs it replaces: Inktomi Search Submit, AltaVista Express Inclusion, and FAST PartnerSite PFI. One concern with the old programs was that some sites paid upfront and then got relatively few clicks (a common scenario for very specialist sites). This resulted in the service working out to be quite expensive on an effective cost-per-click basis. The new cost-per-click pricing is more equitable in that it scales with the value the program provides to each participating site. In addition, we offer a range of budgeting options that allow content providers to cap their spend at whatever levels they are comfortable with. Finally, and most importantly, cost-per-click pricing helps ensure a high quality user experience. Cost-per-click pricing motivates content providers to submit only relevant content (no one wants to pay for an irrelevant click), further improving the quality of the search experience for users. Without CPC pricing, content providers have no incentive to provide high quality content and avoid gaming the system.

Q. What concerns me with the new Yahoo! PFI system is a lack of geotargetting. With the current Inktomi PFI, if someone outside my intended area clicks on my page in the SERPs, I don't care - I pay no extra for that. It's just a free click. I currently receive about 15% of clicks from countries I don't do business in.

= Q. Does Site Match allow URLs to be targeted to specific countries?
A. Yes. In fact, Site Match does support geotargeting. Through the Overture-branded system, just log in (after subscribing) and go to View/Edit URLs. Click Edit for each URL and you’ll see options to target by region or by country. This is another feature that helps us deliver a higher quality user experience. In the example cite by this post, the user actually would have had a suboptimal experience – they clicked on the page of a business that couldn’t address their need. By offering geo-targeting we enable content providers help make both their experience and the experience of the user better. This is another example of how we are leveraging this program to help us deliver the highest quality user experience.

 

heini




msg:821246
 11:28 pm on Mar 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Some important points made, thanks Tim.

I think many members will be relieved to hear that the problem of penalties seems to get addressed.

Pretty interesting also is the geotargeting, this will lead to people definitely seeing different serps, depending on IP, right?

Chicago




msg:821247
 11:26 pm on Mar 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

thank you, and if you please, one quick follow up.

if you have a page participating in sitematch, will it in any way impede the free indexing of this participating page. if not, and if you can be indexed for free during your participation in sitematch, is the only way to determine whether you are indexed for free to unsubscribe or trigger your spending limits, and go looking for your pages which presumably should be in the same relative serp position?

thanks in advance for your feedback

Tim




msg:821248
 11:33 pm on Mar 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Chicago,
It participating in SiteMatch will not affect your free pages. We have been looking into avenues to provide visibility into whether your SiteMatch pages are in the Index via the Crawl. I will talk to some of the SiteMatch team and find out for you what they are thinking about.
Tim

nevetS




msg:821249
 12:06 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

So... if it's replacing INK's PFI program, and I just paid for the INK PFI, does that mean, I'm out of the index? or do I get to be in the INK index for the 12 months I paid for? Will the INK sites - MSN, etc. be feeding off of the Yahoo sitematch feed?

BobHighland




msg:821250
 1:50 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a page that is currently in the index twice, once showing the Meta Title and Description (the old INK PFI I assume) and also in the index with the Yahoo Directory title and description. If I pay for SiteMatch, which title and description will appear in the SERPS, the Meta title & desc. or the Yahoo Directory title and description?

edit_g




msg:821251
 1:59 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

First off, let me say that I think it is a smart move to come out on these forums and step into the targeting reticule of all these webmasters. I think this should be encouraged and thanks. :)

So what makes Site Match different from a ppc campaign where you have no control over your appearance in the listings?

That's a quote from me. I've asked this question a few times in these forums and nobody has ever answered.

So why should anyone give up the control of PPC campaigns for this? I really think you should answer this one Tim, because there are a lot of people wanting to know.

You know well that once all the shouting and talk about ethics is over, for serious people who have money to spend, this whole deal comes down to ROI and control. Why should I spend money on Site Match - from where I'm sitting it looks like a big step backwards.

Tim




msg:821252
 2:12 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Nevets,
I think this question has been answered a few times. You will continue to get the distribution that you have been getting via Inktomi. You will also get the Yahoo distribution as a bonus up until 4/15. After that you may opt in for the Yahoo distribution by signing up for SiteMatch or you may remain with the existing Inktomi distribution until your subscription expires.

Chicago




msg:821253
 2:20 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

So what makes Site Match different from a ppc campaign where you have no control over your appearance in the listings?


It is a PPC campaign, yet it is a fixed price, and control comes in the form of:

1. which page(s) you choose to submit
2. how your submitted pages are optimized to show up for relevant terms
3. how you opt to target your pages from a geo-targeting standpoint.
4. your ability to evaluate campaign metrics
5. your ability to set spend limits and/or opt-out of sitematch

Why should I spend money on Site Match

~Extensive on serp ad serving and ad distribution
~Frequent content refresh and guaranteed inclusion.
~To ensure deep pages are crawled and indexed.
~New and improved metrics - data concerning organic search performance.
~Because of speed to inclusion
~Because you are not indexed through the free crawl
~Because there is a return on investment associated with your sitematch pages being served in Y! serps and accross Y's distribution network.

stcrim




msg:821254
 2:28 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim

The question from the other thread is -

Will large companies have the ability to do XML or other types of feeds? And if so will they have a way of tweaking those listings?

Never Mind I see you will be selling special benefits and cloaking to larger customers...

From your site:

"Site Match Xchange™ for Large Advertisers
Site Match Xchange is available for large advertisers wanting to submit 1000+ Web pages for review. For these advertisers, we provide a dedicated account representative and an XML feed for Web pages. Send an e-mail to sitematchxchange@------.com for personalized assistance."

So the truth is - this is Inktomi in sheep's clothing! So is it true some people (large companies) will have advantages in the Yahoo database not offered to others? Like, the ability to tweak their listings to gain advantage over the smaller guy?

Please correct me if I'm wrong but this looks like a very expensive Inktomi.

You say over and over that payment is not for placement yet you are giving some the advantage of being able to tweak their cloaked feeds until they are on top...

So what is the truth? How is Yahoo differnet than Inktomi?

-s-

edit_g




msg:821255
 2:42 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

1. which page(s) you choose to submit

I already can. I can make them number 1 or number 10. I can put them anywhere in between and I can specify the queries that users find my pages on.

2. how your submitted pages are optimized to show up for relevant terms

I can already control this with a PPC campaign. It would be a full time job to optimise these pages again for Y.

3. how you opt to target your pages from a geo-targeting standpoint.

Check. I can do this with PPC campaigns with decent accuracy.

4. your ability to evaluate campaign metrics

Check. I can do this with PPC campaigns. I can also shut them down, pay less per click and more per click based on this information - I can't do this with sitematch.

5. your ability to set spend limits and/or opt-out of sitematch

Check. I can do this with PPC campaigns.

~Extensive on serp ad serving and ad distribution

I can do this with PPC campaigns.

~Frequent content refresh and guaranteed inclusion.

I have these two down pat with PPC campaigns.

~To ensure deep pages are crawled and indexed.

I can make sure that users looking for my service find my pages (which is what I care about) with PPC campaigns.

~New and improved metrics - data concerning organic search performance.

I can get this just fine, for free, from Google.

~Because of speed to inclusion

I bet I can set up a PPC campaign faster. :)

~Because you are not indexed through the free crawl

But I will be, and paid inclusion doesn't give my sites a boost and I can just get on top of the results with PPC anyhow.

~Because there is a return on investment associated with your sitematch pages being served in Y! serps and accross Y's distribution network.

I can get an excellent ROI with PPC campaigns, turn them on when I want, turn them off when I want and know exactly where they are showing.

I have found nothing in your answers to indicate why SiteMatch would benefit me more than PPC campaigns. I'll look forward to more answers, maybe even from Tim.

Chicago




msg:821256
 2:53 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have found nothing in your answers to indicate why SiteMatch would benefit me more than PPC campaigns

I never viewed sitematch and "ppc campaigns" or search prospects in general, for that matter, as a mutually exclusive propositions. To us, it always comes down to return on investment, regardless of the disparate nature of varying and competing internet marketing vehicles.

If you are not included in the free index and you are riding high on your "PPC campaigns", then ride on. I am sure you and your competition will be happier.

"why siteMatch would benefit me more", you ask... I don't know. I don't play that game in the internet marketing arena.

A major Internet marketing vehicle just changed its structure, it is my job to understand how to value the result of putting pages into sitematch based upon certain conditions. Overture and ADwords, with respect, have nothing to do with that consideration.

edit_g




msg:821257
 3:06 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Overture and ADwords with respect, have nothing to do with that consideration.

With all due respect they do have everything to do with it.

When we are trying to get in touch with our potential customers we have to decide which channel to use. SiteMatch is one channel, adwords is one and so is Overture. But SiteMatch and Overture overlap - so they are two delivery methods to the same audience. If one is superfluous then it has everything to do with it!

If I can pick my spot with Overture, why would I want to mess around with SiteMatch - it doesn't even guarantee first page placement - my potential customers may never find me - that's a big gamble for such a big outlay. The whole point of paying for SEM is that you have control over where you appear in the results and your spend - this is one of the things which makes it so different from the hit and miss of SEO. Why do you think PPC has taken off in such a big way? SiteMatch just combines the uncertainty of SEO with the outlay of SEM.

<edit>

"why siteMatch would benefit me more", you ask... I don't know. I don't play that game in the internet marketing arena.

This is exactly the question Yahoo has to answer, otherwise they'll never get SiteMatch to take off.

Chicago




msg:821258
 3:24 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

But SiteMatch and Overture overlap - so they are two delivery methods to the same audience.

They are two delivery methods [that when used in conjunction with each other may further ensure that your web page is seen by a particular] audience.

Your point, albeit valid, is analogous to the old argument, I am in G serps ~ should i buy into adwords.

And this old argument always comes down to the same factors:

~If you are not in 2 positions another competitor will be in 1
~Branding and commerce advantages are compounded by repitition in the face of competition
~Search prospects are shoppers and seekers and are therefore predisposed to click multiple ad vehicles on serps
~If there is a direct return on investment, you should do it
~Control over overture's title, description, and landing page will allow you to market unique messages for broad appeal amongst search prospects
~Enables a testing environment
~Ad distribution variances will ensure maximum and variant coverage off serp

Tim




msg:821259
 7:31 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a few more answers to questions in the previous thread. I do not want to take this thread off topic as I think this is a pretty interesting discussion about the value of P4P listings versus SiteMatch. I will talk to the people at Overture and figure out what they think and post an answer soon.

Q. What will happen to my Inktomi paid inclusion listings?
A. You have the option of continuing your current Inktomi Search Submit subscription until the end of its term or migrating earlier to Site Match. If you choose to continue your Search Submit subscription, your URLs will appear until the end of your term on portal partners that were previously powered by Inktomi--we're delivering the value promised by the Search Submit program. As a bonus, your URLs will also appear in Yahoo! Search results until April 15th. Note that feed-based customers may continue participating in the full network of portals, including Yahoo!.

Q. Does Site Match require both a per-page, per-year fee and a cost-per-click?
A. Site Match has a much lower up-front cost (less than 1/3) than the 3 programs it replaces: Inktomi Search Submit, AltaVista Express Inclusion, and FAST PartnerSite PFI. One concern with the old programs was that some sites paid upfront and then got relatively few clicks (a common scenario for very specialist sites). This resulted in the service working out to be quite expensive on an effective cost-per-click basis. The new cost-per-click pricing is more equitable in that it scales with the value the program provides to each participating site. In addition, we offer a range of budgeting options that allow content providers to cap their spend at whatever levels they are comfortable with. Finally, and most importantly, cost-per-click pricing helps ensure a high quality user experience. Cost-per-click pricing motivates content providers to submit only relevant content (no one wants to pay for an irrelevant click), further improving the quality of the search experience for users. Without CPC pricing, content providers have no incentive to provide high quality content and avoid gaming the system.

Q. What happens when I stop paying for Site Match clicks?
A. When you deactivate a URL in Site Match (discontinuing payment for clicks), you forgo all the value-added services offered by the program. If your URL was of acceptable quality and was previously discovered by the crawler, then it will still be included in the index. If the crawler has not discovered the URL it will not be included in the index after you deactivate it. However, as soon as the URL is discovered by our free crawler, it will be included. The free crawler does not discriminate in any way based on a web site's prior participation in the Site Match program.

Q. Will Yahoo! Search results favor sites that pay for the Site Match program?
A. Absolutely not. Payment is not for placement or ranking in search results. Our focus is on delivering the highest quality search experience on the web. As a result, all web pages are algorithmically ranked in the results based on their objective relevance to each specific search query in order to ensure the highest quality search experience for users.

Q. Is Site Match an advertising program?
A. Site Match is not advertising. Site Match is an optional program through which content providers receive an additional level of service from Yahoo!. Unlike forms of advertising (television, print media, yellow pages, Pay-for-Performance search, etc.), by no means do content providers have to pay to have their sites included in the Yahoo! index. In fact, over 99% of our index is from the general (free) crawl; this is consistent with our mission to discover and index all of the content on the Web for free. Site Match simply provides a superior level of service: ensured inclusion, frequent refresh, quality review, detailed reporting, and support when problems arise. If you’ve been frustrated by past search engine updates, Site Match offers a way to interact with us more closely and take some of the guesswork out of search participation.

Q. Why should content providers trust Yahoo! Search?
A. With our recent launch, we're the new kids on the search technology block and we know it. That's why we're going to work especially hard to reach out to the content provider community, maintaining this dialog and being as forthright and consistent as we can. It’s the best way we know to build trust.

Q. If customer service and communication are key benefits of Site Match, why hasn’t initial communication about the program been better?

A. Site Match replaces three programs: Inktomi Search Submit, AltaVista Express Inclusion, and FAST PartnerSite PFI. All of these “legacy” programs were managed by our SEM partners. As such, aside from our press release and information on the Yahoo! and Overture sites, we had to rely on partners to communicate about the new program.

As is typical with any new product, we did not release detailed information about the program to the market prior to launch. However, we did provide partners with communications about the future of legacy programs and a notice that mentioned the forthcoming release of the new program. Judging by customer response to those communications, many people saw them.

Since the program launched, partners have provided detailed communications to their customers, by email and/or on the partner sites. We’re confident that all of our resellers are working hard to provide clarity and excellent service. Some have undoubtedly been overwhelmed by the response to Site Match. Please contact your reseller or let us know (sitematch@overture.com) if you have further concerns.

angiolo




msg:821260
 8:04 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Tim!

I have a question that maybe is off topic: have you suspended the Yahoo (directory ) submission program?
I tried the Express submission program for US Spanish, but it did not work ( I got a message at step 4 regarding the credit card: I tried three different credit cards, all of them are fine, but no way...).
I sent an email at webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com with details.

Thanks

Workin




msg:821261
 9:18 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

When Are Sites Going To Be Added From The Site Match Project? 4/15?

jady




msg:821262
 12:43 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim - thank you VERY much for the updates lately in the forum. It does make it easier for us to understand and takes the guesswork out of the deal. Much appreciated!

stcrim




msg:821263
 1:43 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim -

you still have not answered the question of "Site Match Xchange" your XML feed to your database.

Are the pages cloaked, and does the customer have the ability to tweak the feed to your database?

In other words does Site Match Xchange have an advantage over Site Match and regular listing? The advantage being the ability to tweak to the top?

-s-

stcrim




msg:821264
 1:49 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oh, and if Site Match Xchange is cloaked, does that mean that claoking is acceptable for all of us?

-s-

Chndru




msg:821265
 2:10 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

following, [webmasterworld.com...]

Will there be fraud protection on Site Match CPC clicks?

skibum




msg:821266
 3:19 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all your participation Tim! One more question. Under the TOS of the old Inktomi pay for inclusion program it was possible to switch URLs included for the duration of the inclusion period and depending on the reseller, possible to switch the domains as well.

It appears that anyone who submitted within the last 30 days has not been able to switch domains or pages since the new program went live. How will Y! deal with this?

JeremyL




msg:821267
 3:21 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim I sort of feel like you are contradicting yourself.

1. Higher quality search results for users, especially by reducing the amount of search spam (spammers are economically disincented to participate)
2. A clearer, more consistent way to interact with Yahoo! Search Technology for content providers who historically have been subjected to unpredictable changes in the way their content has been discovered and presented by search engines.

On #1. You say Site Match will help reduce spam. At the same time you say:

Q. Will Yahoo! Search results favor sites that pay for the Site Match program?
A. Absolutely not. Payment is not for placement or ranking in search results. Our focus is on delivering the highest quality search experience on the web. As a result, all web pages are algorithmically ranked in the results based on their objective relevance to each specific search query in order to ensure the highest quality search experience for users.

How will Site Match help reduce spam unless you will in fact give Site Match sites a boost, at least as part of the algorithm, for being human reviewed?

On the #2 you also say it will basically help webmasters make sure there content is submited to your database. When you say as oposed to the unpredictability of the past, I assume you are refering to the way Ink has been unpredictable since the only other major database with a large market share is google that is anything but unpredictable. But that being said, you are still assuming that the Yahoo slurp and database will still be unpredictable as the old Ink free database, or you are contradicting that you plan on crawling everything on the web you can find.

I just personally feel that Yahoo is saying one thing and doing the other. All the talk is about a quality search engine while all the actions are about more money and a way for the big boys to dominate the serps.

creative craig




msg:821268
 3:30 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim, can I ask why the need for some one to sign in to Yahoo! to submit a site for free. What type of tracking goes on once I have signed in?

walkman




msg:821269
 4:51 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Tim, can I ask why the need for some one to sign in to Yahoo! to submit a site for free. What type of tracking goes on once I have signed in? "

Not sure but I think not tracking at all (as far as connecting your ID with your URL). Yahoo makes money from other sources and having you sign up they hope you try their other services (like paid mail service). Also, by having someone sign up it discourages people from submiting via bots.

Of course I'm just guessing.

walkman




msg:821270
 5:00 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tim,
first of all thanks for explaining these things
second: How will Y! handle dupes?

Example, my competitor or some loser copies my front page to his ISP's free web space and Y! finds them both. My site has 1000 backlinks and has been there for 5+ years, the other one has one or two backlinks. Which one will be taken out?

Of course it doesn't have to be a competitor, you could be testing things and the front page ends up on /test/index.shtml. You forget it, and it stays there as Slurp! is checking things out. Also, plenty of people (me included) use software that builds html automatically and in some cases the /new is /. If you forget to add it to the robots.txt, or the bot is drunk and ignores the robots.txt you got exact dupes.

How would this be handled?

thecheat




msg:821271
 6:09 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Example, my competitor or some loser copies my front page to his ISP's free web space and Y! finds them both. My site has 1000 backlinks and has been there for 5+ years, the other one has one or two backlinks. Which one will be taken out? "

There are scores of examples showing that if you pay for inclusion with Yahoo... your site will get dropped while the freely crawled "loser" page will show up in the Serps. But, if your page is an organically crawled page, your page will probably do fine and show up higher than the dupe content.

This is based on reports that I am seeing, maybe Tim can weigh in on the issue. I see that Yahoo is claiming that Free pages and PFI pages are subject to the same restrictions, algorithms, and penalties. This was not, however, the case with Inktomi PFI. And it doesn't appear to have changed yet with Yahoo. ALthough Yahoo is still a work in progress. Perhaps the problem will be fixed as Yahoo moves forward.

walkman




msg:821272
 6:39 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

thecheat,
Tim has said more than once that it will not happen on the new Y!. I don't to even start commenting on Inktomi...

Net_Wizard




msg:821273
 9:30 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why do I get the feeling that Yahoo statements seems to contradicts each side of the program?

One side of the Q&A seems to assure the paying URL of clickthroughs while the other seems to reinforce the free URL side of honest ranking.

And, there are some valid questions raise here by members that seems to be ignored.

When can we get a real interactive Q&A instead of reapeating the same 'official' announcement over and over again?

Even questions raised based on the official announcement are left unanswered.

Why do I get the feeling that all this are just smokescreen for the real Yahoo agenda? Maybe it's just me. :)

And that so called unprecedented participation...makes me a little bit suspicious...especially when those URL are not tagged....perhaps I'm the only one who haven't paid yet. :D

steveb




msg:821274
 9:54 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Why do I get the feeling that all this are just smokescreen for the real Yahoo agenda?"

Because you are a conspiracyite.

2+2=4... it is not a communist plot.

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