Sorry if this is a dumb question but now I'll be paying $49 per url p.a. plus 0.15 per click to appear in the search results, what additional advantage is there to also paying $299 to be included in the directory?
Am I missing something (apart from $299)?
I thought the directory $299 listing had stopped
>>ARE WE still waiting for Yahoo's new SE to be revealed or is it already running?<<
In the UK they have not even dropped Google yet!
I would be interested to know if this the same in other Yahoo regions?
Is Yahoo keeping Google in the UK and other regions or will there be a swap to Yahoo/INK?
I can't believe that Yahoo! are serious.
As Feeder said - the 'new Yahoo!' has based its business model on Looksmart! Now that's a business model - look where it got them!
Now I'm curious - how will Yahoo! distinguish between the rankings for:
- the 'Overture' PPC included pages;
- the "Yahoo! PFI/Hybrid PPC pages; and
- the 'agressively free spidered sites'?
It looks like the new Yahoo! results are going to look just like the 'old MSN' results - you know - Looksmart PPC, followed by Looksmart directory ... and finally on page 7 - the algorithmic Inktomi results?
It really is Inkalloveryahooters.com in yahoo! land, isn't it!
I'm speechless. Yahoo! - so much potential - but instead planning to implement the Looksmart business model....
I've asked this question so many times with no response, good luck!
Tigger - the 'opportunity' to part with $299 for a directory listing still applies...
MarketLeap have just sent out an email giving a full run down on Overture Site Match and Site Match Xchange which they're re-sellers for. I checked their website and lots of info there too. PositionTech, who I normally use, have login to their site unavailable due to "maintenance" (they don't seem to have got their act together on this - I see they bailed last minute from the Pub Conf due to it). Then maybe they thought no one in their right mind would buy into it...
The post by NoCarrier (Message 162) is making more and more sense
|Why would I want to pay for an inclusion program when I could use the content match and be displayed first? |
I don't get it..
Why pay 49$ then 0,15 cents per click when you could just use the old overture system and avoid the review fee.
Oh thanks bigs I thought it had stopped
>> aly4848 I've asked this question so many times with no response, good luck! <<
It's just that I can't see how I can pay to have my sites included if they are going to continue to use Google.
Yahoo are trying to market/sell things to me and other UK customers that they don't seem to have in stock (if you get my drift!)
Regional Yahoo's are going to make the changeover. It's just a question of how long it will take. I would make sure that your URLs are included (PFI or not) in the index for Yahoo.com because in the UK at least plenty of people still go searching there.
Overture has now posted an explantion of site match at:
Sorry if this has been posted already.
Overture does not explain it either.
Are the new PFI results going to be listed over free crawl, like old MSN and looksmart?
Are PFI results going to be mixed in with free results like current INK with the advantage of submitting to PFI being inclusion into ATW and AV with 48 hour refreshes?
The Site Match program replaces Inktomi and includes Yahoo Search. In the future will also incorporate AV and FAST. Results will be blended Inktomi style in the crawled SERPs, with a 48 hour refresh.
We have rolled out several International markets over the past week. The roll out of the Yahoo Search Technology will continue to take place over the comings weeks.
Business Express is still available. This is not a guarantee of inclusion but we plan to spider these sites assuming they are of high quality and abide by the content policy.
|>>>if there are good links to the site, you will be in the index<<< |
Than who in their right mind would pay for it?
Exactly, why pay? unless you get a better listing. Yahoo says this isn't true, do anyone believe them?
>>>if there are good links to the site, you will be in the indexThan who in their right mind would pay for it? <<<
1)Anyone who wants 48 hour spidering
2)Commercial sites (the way I read it you pay or don't get into Yahoo)
No you can get commercial content into the index without paying.
>> No you can get commercial content into the index without paying. <<
Thanks for clearing that up Tim, I though I read somewhere you had to pay for commercial sites.
So, the main benefit will be the fast spidering?
eg: Same as with the old INK program but with the downside (from a customer point of view) of an additional charge everytime someone clicks through?
<I thought the directory $299 listing had stopped >
They just debited my renewal 7 days ago.
How about a summary of what is taking place and how it will effect current results.
1) Will current SERPS change with new PFI? More specifically, if I have a site that rankswell now, do I need to worry about submitting and/or if my position is going to drastically change?
2) Where exactly are PFI sites going to be placed in SERPS? Mixed in? Above free sites?
3) Where and when will be able to submit to the PFI for free? (This was mentioned, right?
|>>>if there are good links to the site, you will be in the indexThan who in their right mind would pay for it? <<< |
1)Anyone who wants 48 hour spidering
2)Commercial sites (the way I read it you pay or don't get into Yahoo)
Thanks for clearing that up, just a little confused. Can see the benefit now.
[edited by: mikeD at 1:48 pm (utc) on Mar. 2, 2004]
Tim, is a pre existing listing in the Y directory that has paid, and is commercial, likely to be spidered and/or included in the new serps?
|This is not a guarantee of inclusion but we plan to spider these sites assuming they are of high quality and abide by the content policy. |
I thought Yahoo's policy was to only accept sites in their directory that are of "high quality." So doesn't it follow that all sites in the directory should be spidered?
|Tim, is a pre existing listing in the Y directory that has paid, and is commercial, likely to be spidered and/or included in the new serps? |
We would also like to know the answer to this one.
We paid the $299 for inculsion some years ago and have always been in the serps for our area and search terms.
"I thought Yahoo's policy was to only accept sites in their directory that are of "high quality." So doesn't it follow that all sites in the directory should be spidered? "
>> Well, just because they took you $299 doesn't mean it's high quality :).
Tim, how else will do you determine if it's a "high quality" site or not? Manually, or you just unleash Slurp? The manual part doesn't make sense to me.
Please, Tim, or anyone else here
Take the time to read what I have to say, thanks.
I need some explanation.
The new Yahoo! Inclusion program sounds like the directory fiasco when they stopped using it's results.
When I mean fiasco I am talking about the money issues.
Give me one simple reason why I should choose "Site Match" instead of "Content Match".
Content Match (old overture system)
- You are displayed first.
- You don't have a review fee
- There isn't a ranking issue
- You don't need to wait for a bot to change what you want to be displayed
- No ranking guaranteed
- Review Fee
- A fixed price of 15 cents or 30 cents per click once your pages are approved
Anyone with some common sense will find the "Site Match" program completely insane. There isn't any advantage, reward.. Anything, NONE. No reason at all to join this program.
It's like asking me to write down the positive aspect of smoking. There is nothing positive.
This is the worst long-term strategy I've ever heard
If you want to be a player in the SE game long-term, you NEED to provide the best & most accurate search results.
Yahoo will make some quick money from this, but the search results will suffer and people will continue to migrate over to other search engines as they have been because people are looking for relevant results. Not a competition between huge corporations.
Allright, you are talking about a "free submit" option. Ok. Another reason why I shouldn't choose the "Site Match" option. Especially if there isn't any "ranking improvement".
What do I get with "site match"? Well, my pages are refreshed every 48 hours. That's still not good enough for me to pay for that program.
Something is wrong, really wrong with this idea..
What about US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) rules about paid listings in search results being indicated as such?
Did this get mentioned and I missed it somewhere?
Do these PFI/PPC inclusions not fall under those rules for some reason?
hi everyone let me show u something that might be considered interesting, i have a marketleap account and i have inktomi submit on it still.
in my account their is an upgrade to overture sitematch their
when i click on it , it says
my credit card details , etc
2) Select a Category for Your URLs
You can select from
From Adult to Travel.
Who in their right mind believes Yahoo has rolled out this program to improve their content?
Why on here
does it not say that yahoo will crawl for free? It is not even in the FAQ. Do you not think you should be telling potential customers that they can also get free crawling?
Can you point us to where it officially says that Yahoo will be crawling free in perpetuity?
|does it not say that yahoo will crawl for free? It is not even in the FAQ. Do you not think you should be telling potential customers that they can also get free crawling? |
When you buy a bottle of water, does it say on the front of the bottle that you can get water for free from any tap?
Iím surprised so many people are complaining about Site Match. Who didnít see this coming? Every month it becomes more costly (especially for the little guy) to do business on the web and these big corporations only focus on how to maximize their next quarters profits. Within the year they will increase the cost for Overtures Pay-for-Performance program or introduce a more expensive program making Site Match look like the sweetest deal on the web.
As for Yahoo saying their ongoing changes will improve our overall search experience, how about my competitor, who I have been reporting to Yahoo for six months now, using four different URLís that all redirect to the website, owns six of the top twenty search result in our main keyword search, and is listed twice under two URLs in the same business listing category (both redirecting to the same website). Even more ironic, we cancelled our Yahoo Sponsor Listing in November but they have yet to remove our sponsor listing status. Weíre waiting for an IRS type email from Yahoo saying that even though we cancelled, itís our responsibility to make sure they deleted our Sponsor Listing and now we have to pay (with interest) for all the months of free listings. Itís obvious that the big wigs at Yahoo (and other top search engines) are putting their entire resources into making as much money as possible and donít much care about quality aspect of their product or the devastating effects these changes have on many of its loyal customers.