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why aren't many sites included on the new Yahoo?
apparently it's not just mine so let's figure it out
walkman



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:02 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

My best site (3+ years old) is not on, many other cheesy young ones (mine :)) are. It gets the robots.txt (nothing wrong with it) daily, nothing happens. Can we figure out why? After spending these past 2 days worrying and researching other included sites that's what I came up with:

I had the .net and that was "indexed" (months ago pages) and alltheweb had indexed the .org version. I assumed that they thought I was spamming, so Ink, Yahoo and Alltheweb left out my .com one. I disabled both of them (.net, org) now and I'm praying after e-mailing them.

What else can it be? It's not keyword stuffing in my case. I have optimized pages but I've seen pages with 20-30 keywords in a row indexed with no problems. I have at most a sentence at the bottom of the page and a few words on top. Everything else is mixed nicely and it makes sense.

It can't be the domain.com/widget.html vs /widget.html thing either, I've seen many other sites indexed down to their last page (tens of thousands in many cases) regardless of the way the links were linked. It doesn't make sense that Yahoo would not follow those, I'd say that at least half (if not more) of the sites use the relative version.

I don't think it's the db size either. I know they don't index everything and they're growing, but the fact that Ink, ATW, and now Yahoo all have the same site out seems coordinated.

Could it be a penalty or ban for something I /you did do or didn't do? I e-mailed but who knows when I'll get an answer if ever.

what else can you add or suggest? Change the domain name? I rather not do that, I have a decent one...Add another domain with the same DB and make it so only Slurp indexes?

looking for answers as I'm losing plenty of traffic and money...

 

mikeD

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:23 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

same here, i have two 3 year old sites totally indexed by all the other search engine's twhich are not really showing in Yahoo. Not good

walkman



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:35 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

not even the index page? if I search mydomain.com it says NO match.

>same here, i have two 3 year old sites totally
>indexed by all the other search engine's twhich are > not really showing in Yahoo. Not good

mikeD

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:41 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

index yes, but I have 10,000 plus page sites and it just isn't performing like on other SE's. These are Google pr 7 sites

goin2travel

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:57 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Same problem here.

6 year old site. Current content. 2,000 pages.

Listed as Yahoo directory.

Home page isnt even indexed anymore. Though wierd thing, one small internal page of the site is.

mikeD

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 10:10 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah haven't a clue why people are saying this new yahoo search is great, looks pretty amateur compared to google to me.

If they start charging for submission as well, they haven't a chance.

walkman



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 10:46 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

because their sites are indexed :)
At this point I wouldn't mind paying to have my site indexed. Not at $20 a page though.

I'm afraid that if I pay for the main link, even if they planned on visiting it to index everything for free, they'll stop to the main page.

>Yeah haven't a clue why people are saying this new
> yahoo search is great, looks pretty amateur
> compared to google to me.

helenp

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 11:14 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

same to me..........
I am not in Inktomi either, donīt know if that the reason.

goin2travel

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 11:20 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I paid to be in Inktomi and for my site it has made no difference..... it no longer is indexed in Y! results.

Now that Y has changed, Inktomi resellers are using the fact that sites have dropped out of the index as an opportunity to increase sales....though.... from my experience it makes no difference whether you have paid Inktomi or not. Paying to be in Inktomi is no guarantee that you will show up in Yahoo search results.

In anticipation of the Y change, I was ready to fork over another $3,000 a month to have the entire site submitted and am thankful I didnt.

boomer770

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 8:06 pm on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Our SERP's are great in Google (mostly in the top 3) and even good in MSN (top 10) but in Yahoo we are hard to find.

Just shaking our heads. Seeing all kinds of odd results. Not sure what everyone else sees. Looks like you need keywords in your url to rank well.

lufc1955

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 8:36 pm on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Our 1,000 page site has also gone from Yahoo after many years of being listed. It has many top 10 rankings in Google and is a content rich site with no spam. All I see in my sector in Yahoo is lots of poor spammy sites. It makes you think that they want to charge the good sites for inclusion. I am not impressed at all with their search results.

mikeD

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:07 pm on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Our SERP's are great in Google (mostly in the top 3) and even good in MSN (top 10) but in Yahoo we are hard to find.
Just shaking our heads. Seeing all kinds of odd results. Not sure what everyone else sees. Looks like you need keywords in your url to rank well.

Join the club, terrible isn't it

internetheaven

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:55 pm on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

The start of this thread was an opportunity to discuss reasons we might not be included/ranked well in the new Yahoo results. The last 5 or 6 posts have just been about how terrible the results are, that's a different subject, go to the 'Yahoo Sucks' Forum instead.

I have 300 out of 15,000 pages in the Inktomi index. Google have 12,000 of them, Altavista has around 900 and Alltheweb has around 700. Therefore I conclude that it has nothing to do with my site being badly mapped. I checked the sites that linked to mine to see if they were in Yahoo and thus should encourage regular crawls from Slurp and they were, in fact Slurp hits me around 5000 times a month. The only thing I can think of is that two of my site 'used to be' Paid Inclusion with PositionTech. They haven't been paid inclusion for around 10 months. The 300 pages that Inktomi has indexed are various pages from my other sites, no pages have been indexed from the two sites that used to be on Paid Inclusion.

I would like to know if anyone else whose site is indexed has ever used Paid Inclusion into the Inktomi Index?

boomer770

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 10:13 pm on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

We used Position Tech to index our home page 6 months ago. We had little success in the SURPs. 1 month ago we tried using Position Tech to index 20 subcategory pages. This worked great. Once we did, many more of our 4000 pages where indexed. Our SURPs on MSN are doing very well. Yahoo is another story, not good.

It's a bit frustrating considering MSN and Yahoo are supposedly using a very similar search engine.

cabos

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 10:33 pm on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was a customer of Position Tech's about 2 years ago.

Perhaps there is something to this.

internetheaven

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 11:58 pm on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Boomer770 - does that mean that one month ago you paid for inclusion of 20 pages of your site and within the past four weeks around 4000 pages have been added to the Inktomi/MSN/Yahoo index?

internetheaven

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1722 posted 9:22 am on Feb 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

In fact has anyone had an experience where they submitted several URLs through PositionTech and ended up with 100's of there other pages being indexed from free. Like I said before, the sites where I paid for pages, none of the other pages have ever been indexed.

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