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The Switch Is Official
Brett_Tabke




msg:834149
 12:03 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

According to some reports [news.com.com] yahoo is now ack'ing [webmasterworld.com] that the change to their "internally powered results" is offical. eg: goodbye Google.

 

Kwix




msg:834239
 9:37 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

In both Google and Yahoo our site ranks about the same for the main keywords we monitor. IMHO it is good not to have Google supplying 60% of the search results. Sadly, until MSN gets their act together and either goes with a relavant search partner or actually builds a good engine, it is still a two horse race. I like the diversification, but it has a way to go.

figment88




msg:834240
 9:49 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think Yahoo looks pretty good. They need to do something about all those DMOZ clones, though.

Powdork




msg:834241
 9:58 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's a snapshot of the page taken as our search engine partner crawled the web."
Sounds like they don't want to specify whether it was crawled by slurp or FAST.

It seems like they have caught up (almost) to google but..
I have a feeling the recent changes google has gone through were preparing the infrastructure for the future. Its like they're at the same point on the race track, but Google is just left the pit stop, and Y! just pulled in. There's room for them both anyway. It's when number three jumps into the mix that things will get interesting.

coconubuck




msg:834242
 10:01 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry, im a little behind on this and just want to verify, is Yahoo showing Ink results or are these new results something totally new and unique?

a2ztranslate




msg:834243
 10:15 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok, now i am confused. yahoo nz/australia is not yet using any new results (still google), but when i do an inbound link search (enter domain name in search field) both yahoo.com and yahoo nz give exactly same results as in google. does this mean that yahoo is still using inbound links ex google across the board?

and now all my yahoo.com rankings are stuffed. time t start again!

albert




msg:834244
 10:48 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ya-what?

Nice, but nothing to write home about.

More easy to impress, much more slowly in reaction.

ravnic




msg:834245
 11:15 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

From all I can Tell is that Yahoo is starting this new set of listings from INKTOMI But... I am still seeing a few listing coming through Google. So it will probably take them a few days to fully switch over.

This isn't anything new they have been planning this for awhile.

uptil7000




msg:834246
 11:33 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not sure what to make of this but we are #1 for many keywords on Google but nowhere to be found on Yahoo now. MSN is not very fond of us either. (Looksmart WAS taking care of that)

Ink optimization has never been a top priority. Can anyone point me to a good resource for Optimizing for Ink?

Everything seems to be in place but we must be missing something.

patoruzu




msg:834247
 11:36 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

SERPS in spanish language are quite bad (sometimes completely wrong, not related with the specific search) and frequently old. Important pages are not indexed. Let’s see, but this launch doesn’t seem an improvement for users. Altavista’s SERPS are much better.

[edited by: patoruzu at 12:04 am (utc) on Feb. 19, 2004]

yowza




msg:834248
 11:40 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

It seems that they either have to be using a mix with either Google or AltaVista because they are showing that I have over 200 pages indexed.

Google currently shows 450, AltaVista 950, Inktomi 70, FAST 70.

The only way they could be showing 200 pages for me is if they are using some AV or G result, right? Unless I missed something.

Powdork




msg:834249
 12:03 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

See if any of the "in AV, but not in Google" pages are in the Y! index (or vice versa if there are any). This is gonna get confusing, isn't it?

4eyes




msg:834250
 12:10 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is a bit like going to the dentist, its hurting me now, but it will be worth it in the long run.

Overall I like the results, but crawl depth is not as good as Google.

Two of my sites are over 20K pages, and Google had them all - not so with Yahink. Having said that, I have few more of the 2-word traffic phrases in the top 5.

I am just happy to be putting eggs into more baskets now.

worker




msg:834251
 12:10 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm just not impressed with the results. They are presenting sites that are related to the search, but they just aren't very good sites. They seem to be able to determine that the site is relevant to the search phrase, but they don't seem to be able to tell if a site is a good site or a mediocre site.
I hope they are able to add some sort of ranking feature to their algorithm so that they begin to have the better sites rise to the top.

alika




msg:834252
 12:50 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

some of the results are pretty funny. i tried to search for "home business" and Microsoft & IBM are in the first page. i'm not impressed as yet.

seasalt




msg:834253
 12:51 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

They seem to be able to determine that the site is relevant to the search phrase, but they don't seem to be able to tell if a site is a good site or a mediocre site.

My thoughts exactly. I am seeing way too many relevant, but mediocre, results.

seasalt

Natashka




msg:834254
 1:11 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm very happy with the switch, my site is about celebrities and TV shows, and recently there is a growing epidemic of all those junk sites on the subject: script generated pages, no information, stolen photos, just constantly repeating keywords and links to porn sites. Google just loves that crap! But Yahoo placed on the first positions the REAL home pages, forums, IMDB pages etc.. My site is now on the first position in Yahoo under almost all names, was even included in several Yahoo categories, and the junk sites are no way around! :)

The only bad part is slow indexing though, the new pages are indexed slower than by Google.

andy_boyd




msg:834255
 1:22 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah, the SERPs aren't too bad. I thought that it was going to be disastrous but it isn't that bad at all.

However, there are discrepencies in their index, really good sites just aren't ranking as well as they should and there are way too many directories ranking high.

But this will all be smoothed out over time, for now I'm enjoying the fact that there is now a real competitor to Google!

eatapeach




msg:834256
 1:52 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I finally got the number one listing on a major SE for the major keywords in my niche that is also my domain name.

same here, jranes. i was so happy about my first #1 i couldn't wait to tell my family.

after getting beaten up by google the last two (crummy) updates it's nice to finally see good, basic SEO tactics like brett teaches being rewarded with high listings.

newsphinx




msg:834257
 2:02 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo claims this isn't from Inktomi

I saw both altavita and alltheweb result mixed in Ink result. I am in China.

mhildebr




msg:834258
 2:21 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Unbelievable! My website traffic has doubled in the last few days. I have suffered too long from the whims of Google. In my industry (real estate), Google is giving top ranking to totally irrelevant sites. Long live Yahoo! Thank you Yahoo! I have given up on Google.

patoruzu




msg:834259
 2:28 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>snipped<<

Chicago




msg:834260
 2:36 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

As part of the company's next steps in customization and personalization, Yahoo! is introducing a new search service that integrates Yahoo! Search with My Yahoo! by adding links to XML/RSS site syndication content in search results. This service enables users to search for millions of sites that support this format and easily add them to their My Yahoo! personal homepage. Once added to their page, users will see instantly updated headlines and links from these sites, keeping them in touch with all of their important information from the Internet in a single place.

Commonly referred to as a comparative advantage.

nativenewyorker




msg:834261
 2:50 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

My observation is that Y! results seem more relevant than recent Google results, however Y! results appear to be from several months ago. Good job by Y!, but needs improvement. It's great to see that they will be giving Google a run for the money.

I've been seeing some fluctuations with the Y! layout. There is the traditional blue links with a 14pt font for the SERPs. The new layout has all the SERPs with gray links in a 12pt font and all sponsored listings with blue links. SERPs for the new layout appear under the fold. It is interesting that there is a huge empty area on the right side of the sponsored listings for the new layout. Looks like Y! is really trying to pump those sponsored listings. There appears to be a small discrepancy in the SERPs between the two, but as I can see so far, nothing major.

It will be interesting to see the activity in the Google forum vs. the Y! forum here on Webmaster World in the next few weeks. Let's see what the consensus says is more important.

Right now total messages in Google forum is 281,927 vs Y! forum with 34,109.

nativenewyorker




msg:834262
 3:04 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Old layout (blue SERPs links) for me is showing on search-east-vip2.yahoo.com while new layout (gray SERPs links) is showing on search-east-vip1.yahoo.com Both IPs show as 216.109.117.133 for me.

Gavstar




msg:834263
 4:57 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow...

I have about 10 or more sites out of the first 20 results.
Unbelievable. As there very high profile search terms. These sites are no where in other search engines I stopped promoting half the site a year or two ago. There really not very good either. But I wont be complaining my traffic has gone crazy.

:)

abates




msg:834264
 6:27 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

yup, definitely Inktomi results... Half the pages I get on a site search for my domain were URLs which have been 301 to new locations for months. :)

grant




msg:834265
 6:50 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I, too, am quite pleased with the SERPs now on Yahoo!.
The sites are more relevant, the consensus seems to be that webmasters are happy.

Google's market share is eroding quickly.

rytis




msg:834266
 7:44 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I too enjoy couple surprise #1 positions, some other kw combinations suffer compared to Google.

Call me cynic but don't feel any enthusiasm and wondering how long until first SERPS page is filled with some kind of "paid for...". BTW who can guarantee there isn't already some ads mixed in.

R.

esset1999




msg:834267
 9:47 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I found something interestig:

When doing inurl:spamdomain.com I looked for a domain that I know spams and I got this result:

drs.yahoo.com/S=11111657/K=keyword1+keyword2/v=2/l=WS1/R=8/NW=1/H=0/%2A-http://spamdomain.com/

To me it looks like this domain has been reported for spam for keyword1+keyword2 and baned for that reason. The cached button doesn´t work. What do you think?

percentages




msg:834268
 10:05 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Google's market share is eroding quickly.

When we try to measure relevance of search results as a group there can never be a general overall concensus as we all have our own best interests at heart.

One way to measure the good from the bad on a general level is to compare Yahoo results with MSN, Tehoma, Altavista, Google and ATW.

When I try this approach I see most of the same sites on all engines, but a completely different set on Google......so either Google has it more right than anyone else, or Google has it totally wrong.

I see Brin said they have made major changes in the last two weeks. I don't see them today.....but I live in hope that they will come back into the mainstream of relevance!

Meanwhile....Good on Yahoo for ditching Google. It was long overdue and very welcome :)

goin2travel




msg:834269
 10:22 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

So far this switch sucks.

My main site has completely dissappeared from Yahoo's new search results. This is despite investing in Inktomi advertising as well as a Yahoo! sponsored listing.

The site comes up top 5 regularly on G and other SE for keywords related to it - and I have been conservative in optimizing it.

In contrast, some older sites, that I barely touch anymore, nor pay Yahoo for sponsored listings, are showing up high on Yahoo!

This makes little sense. A quality site, is removed and old, junky sites are now showing up high. Seems like if a customer pays to advertise, plus the site has been reviewed by a Yahoo human, it wouldnt be completely removed from the search results.

I almost cancelled 2 sponsored listings on Yahoo tonight, that are $600 a month, though decided to wait and see if anything changes.

Also invested a bunch in Inktomi advertising and that hasn't done anything to insure that the site remained in the new search results.

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