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Yahoo rolling out more Inktomi?
percentages going up
EquityMind




msg:840566
 2:28 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I posted before that I was seeing Inktomi in my Yahoo SERPS and it appeared to be IP based since it was definately Ink at home and Google at my office computer. This has been the case for over a month now. However when I look at the percentages of traffic given over time, I noticed a huge shift today:

Last Monday:

Google: 43% of traffic
Yahoo: 20% of traffic

Today:

Google: 34.7 %
Yahoo: 29.8 %

This is a huge discrepancy considering that this is a site with several million unique visitors per month.

Is anyone else getting percentage of traffic discrepancies today like this? Is Yahoo rolling out more Inktomi as they slowly phase out Google?

EquityMind

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:840716
 12:56 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

about 15 off topic msgs were nuked here as one poster was way out of line. There was already the msg in this thread so it was spliced on and left here for petes sake. This is why we don't do public discussions of moderation, because 99 times out of 100, the poster is mistaken (as was in this case).

Thanks for the post storemaster.

ecommerce guy




msg:840717
 5:23 am on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is Inktomi going to continue to charge per page or are they going to go the google route where every page gets crawled for free? Anyone have any insight? I think Inktomi is a great search engine I just don't like the fact that I can only include a few pages from each website or else the costs are too high.

gsmitchell




msg:840718
 1:50 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ever since Google's "florida" update their commercial serps have been complete crap. Since they are so bad, I had no choice but to switch to MSN serps which are now much better.
One thing I have noticed is that netzero members search is now powered by the new yahoo and these results are outstanding.

tigger




msg:840719
 1:53 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Is Inktomi going to continue to charge per page or are they going to go the google route where every page gets crawled for free?

if you can wait you will get in for free, I've got one site that has over 1000 pages indexed by Ink, linking & time is the key with ink, cos it don't happen over night, but if you want it to happen like yesterday you'd better get your CC out

flobaby




msg:840720
 3:13 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks gsmitchell!
Very interesting find. Strange though, it's not exactly pure Inktomi, more like MSN's results, and very different than the mix on Yahoo's site when they've been temporarily showing non-Google results. This, I like.

panic




msg:840721
 5:50 pm on Feb 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is Inktomi going to continue to charge per page

Don't forget : they also charge CPC's for trusted feeds.

I think Inktomi is a great search engine I just don't like the fact that I can only include a few pages from each website or else the costs are too high.

Usually, it takes time to get your pages indexed. What I've noticed is that pages with good content and 0 incoming links get indexed in due time.

Since they are so bad, I had no choice but to switch to MSN serps which are now much better.

They've always been good, but most people never noticed since they weren't too open to use anything besides Google.

I've got one site that has over 1000 pages indexed by Ink, linking & time is the key with ink

Aint that the truth

Spica




msg:840722
 3:00 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>One thing I have noticed is that netzero members search is now powered by the new yahoo and these results are outstanding<<<

It seems to me that these results are simply Overture results.

panic




msg:840723
 3:51 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that these results are simply Overture results.

Overture additional results are Inktomi results.

WebFusion




msg:840724
 8:59 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

While that may be true, if Inktomi wasn't a sound investment, Y! wouldn't have bought them.

Yeah right...and a corporation has never made a bad investment in an online property (how soon we forget: [news.com.com...] )

I really don't have a preferance either way. I have sites in over a dozen different types of commercial markets. Most of those areas look significantly better in terms of quality on google than Ink, and I persoinally think if Yahoo were to make a switch to 100% Ink results, there will be a similar uproar in terms of relevancy that we've had for google recently.

Actually...I think altavista looks much better.

The real fun will start once MSN Bot is taken off it's leash ;-)

Spica




msg:840725
 2:30 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>Overture additional results are Inktomi results<<<

I am somewhat confused about that. For the few queries that I tested, I got different results at Overture and (pure search) Inktomi. Many of the major players are the same, but in different orders, and there are other differences too, at least in the top 10-15 listings. It's like the same brand of icecream in vanilla versus french vanilla flavor...
So, which type of vanilla will the new Yahoo give us? I'd like some AVanilla please... :)

MikeNoLastName




msg:840726
 10:52 pm on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo! SURE HAS started including inktomi results, along with many of ink's shortcomings!

First I urge anyone even thinking of paying for inclusion on FAST or Ink to read my posts in the following forums before doing anything:

[webmasterworld.com...]

[webmasterworld.com...]

They detail how shortly after submitting to Fast and Inktomi via Lycos' Insite (for FAST) and Network Solutions guaranteed Inclusion service (for Inktomi) our domain went from over 100 great indexed pages and rankings on alltheweb to 0 in no time flat. I also discovered that one of our guaranteed inclusion submitted pages which showed up in ADDITION to our already listed page on one of the engines ranked only an 80 vs the pre-existing one at 4!
Just today I discovered that Yahoo now includes inktomi listings in their searches and guess what? What previosuly happened to us on alltheweb just happened on Yahoo! too! All our previously indexed pages on Yahoo, literally hundreds. HAVE VANISHED OVERNIGHT. The only one left is the one which includes the inktomi tracking code and it is impossible to find just like on all the other engines!
I didn't care all that much about the other dying engines, Lycos, Hotbot, alltheweb, etc. that feed off FAST/INK, but Yahoo used to account for over 20% of our traffic. Now it is 0%!
WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT PAY FOR GUARANTEED INCLUSION!
NEVER!
Mike

onebaldguy




msg:840727
 11:41 pm on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am trying to analyze the Yahoo/Ink results and am having some difficulties. On one phrase we are #1 in Ink Pure Search and Hotbot (and even google). But in the new Yahoo SERPS, we are #5. I have seen this happen on a lot of searches, but not others (on the others, the results seem pretty much in line with INK).

Is it possibly an ATW mix or a mix withh the Y! directory? The directory mix makes sense on a few of these, but on others, there seems to be no method to the madness (although I guess trying to figure it out is the fun part).

Powdork




msg:840728
 12:38 am on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah right...and a corporation has never made a bad investment in an online property
Can anyone say Netscape/AOL/Time-Warner. Yes, but the folks at Time-Warner would rather just have you call them Time-Warner, nowadays.
dariy




msg:840729
 8:59 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Inktomi is great.I hadn't paid any money to inktomi to add me in their index and for 2 weeks since I started 2 new sites inktomi bot visited them and added them to the index and for 2 months my site came 7th for a major one-word keyword[instead of some sites with 7-800 links from spam].I think inktomi is great and is much better than google.All the google results since the last update are sh*t...And I hope yahoo stops showing google results as soon as possible.

panic




msg:840730
 10:06 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am somewhat confused about that. For the few queries that I tested, I got different results at Overture and (pure search) Inktomi.

Overture search is powered by the Inktomi database.

So, which type of vanilla will the new Yahoo give us? I'd like some AVanilla please... :)

AV failed for a reason, so I would hope that Y! will stay far away from AV's results.

WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT PAY FOR GUARANTEED INCLUSION!
NEVER!

You can't go wrong with a trusted feed.

Is it possibly an ATW mix or a mix withh the Y! directory?

I REALLY doubt it.

Can anyone say Netscape/AOL/Time-Warner. Yes, but the folks at Time-Warner would rather just have you call them Time-Warner, nowadays.

Reminds me of Ted Turner, but comparing Y! to Turner is apples to oranges.

I think inktomi is great and is much better than google.

It's always been that way.

And I hope yahoo stops showing google results as soon as possible.

Believe me, most of us do, despite what the more vocal opposition might say.

Abigail




msg:840731
 11:52 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree with Mike - over 18 months ago I got the bright idea to fast submit a new page I built - yes the page came up in 48 hrs and within 7 days the over 1000 pages in my site disappeared - completely - except for the paid inclusion one. Now that is the only way I can get in. And yes I have literally thousands of other sites that are rooted in INK linked to me, and yes I get spidered continually by Slurp - but all that and still the only pages that get included are the ones I pay for. My site is 4 years old this month and I have always had good standing the SE's, but this, this is unbelieveable - penalized because your paid!

panic




msg:840732
 12:28 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site is 4 years old this month and I have always had good standing the SE's, but this, this is unbelieveable - penalized because your paid!

The misconception is that you think you're penalized because you paid. There has to be something else to it.

Abigail




msg:840733
 12:42 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hmm - I have to admit I never looked at it from that point - possible reasons? Nothing really pops out at me but any input is certainly appreciated.

Abigail




msg:840734
 12:43 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I should probably mention that they have no problem placing me in as long as I pay....

keyplyr




msg:840735
 12:48 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)


I'm also one, who at first, thought I'd get something extra with PFI. Most of my pages were already in INK so I thought they'd do better if I paid - wrong. All PFI does is get you in quicker and guarantee that your site is crawled in a consistent manner.

I'm a little perturbed that PositionTech raised it's yearly fees 60% (last year $25, this year $39.) Guess Yahoo's implementation makes it more valuable now. Still, it's one of the better deals around when you consider Inktomi's reach.

flobaby




msg:840736
 12:49 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

post deleted to start new thread

panic




msg:840737
 1:27 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I should probably mention that they have no problem placing me in as long as I pay....

It seems like everyone's accusing Y!/Inktomi of causing their positioning in the SERPS to go south after paying for inclusion. What you have to remember is that Inktomi doesn't gain anything by killing your positioning.

And if they were ONLY about the money (as you're implying), wouldn't they be doing the complete opposite? Wouldn't they be pushing up paid inclusion pages in hopes that you'd pay to include MORE pages?

Back to Yahoo rolling out more Inktomi ... I saw about 3X more referrals from Y! this weekend than I normally get on weekends. The pages that were driving traffic are indexed in Inktomi ONLY (not indexed in Google in any shape, form, or fashion).

Kirby




msg:840738
 1:39 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

>What you have to remember is that Inktomi doesn't gain anything by killing your positioning.

Sure they do - more paid inclusion.

EquityMind




msg:840739
 3:35 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

keyplyr - once you pay the $39 initial fee, its $25 per page. I use Ineedhits.com for the PFI, better service and pretty decent reporting.

EquityMind

keyplyr




msg:840740
 4:36 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

1st year, $39
Second year, $25
This year, $39 again

I use Ineedhits.com for the PFI, better service and pretty decent reporting.

And I read posts that say PositionTech is better also.

panic




msg:840741
 6:53 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

>What you have to remember is that Inktomi doesn't gain anything by killing your positioning.
Sure they do - more paid inclusion.

If they really tried to sell more paid inclusion, don't you think they'd make paid inclusion pages do really well to make you actually want to buy more?

dariy




msg:840742
 10:25 am on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

as a matter of fact PFI is stupid.I never done it and I'm on great positions for great keywords.The whole stuff is in the SEO nomatter do you pay or not.

EquityMind




msg:840743
 3:29 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you are submitting more than 1 URL it is still definately $25 for Ink.

Abigail




msg:840744
 6:57 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK - so I have been trying to figure out why my pages were dropped after I had paid for inclusion. I must admit it never occurred to me to think "penalty" so I did a search for my site by the title of the index page and found it with a totally different url - dug a little deeper and found it to be a very old affiliate link url that hasn't been on my site for at least 3 years. Really screwy..Does anyone know how I would get this thing removed from the index or even how to contact anyone at INK to investigate any other negative issues that would have resulted in being expelled from the data base?

panic




msg:840745
 7:35 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK - so I have been trying to figure out why my pages were dropped after I had paid for inclusion. I must admit it never occurred to me to think "penalty" so I did a search for my site by the title of the index page and found it with a totally different url - dug a little deeper and found it to be a very old affiliate link url that hasn't been on my site for at least 3 years. Really screwy..Does anyone know how I would get this thing removed from the index or even how to contact anyone at INK to investigate any other negative issues that would have resulted in being expelled from the data base?

I'm not sure if this is what you're saying, but it sounds to me like you're saying that when you type in YOUR URL, you see your affiliate's tracking code. If that's the case, then someone has submitted your URL via trusted feed with the affiliate tracking code. If you don't want your affiliate doing this, my suggestion is that you call Inktomi and let them know.

Abigail




msg:840746
 9:09 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

No - what it is, is my title and description show up correctly but the url string when you click on it is the old affiliate coded url. I also had started with free pages and rolled into a .com - the old free pages, I believe, were dumped by INK going back over 2 years.

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