| 4:57 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
who knows is the answer, but its easy to make sure you are in the Yahoo when they drop Google.
Pay for inclusion to Inktomi and Fast and hey you have no worries cos you will auto. be in the new Yahoo...i think thats a certainty.
| 5:54 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hey there SuzziJ
Am listed in google and ink
And heres a tip if you did'nt know. I did not pay to get in ink and i only submitted my 2 month old site one time through the free submit link with ink. The site has been fully indexed, every page. I'm sure it helps that i have soom good quality links to the site and that may be how slurp actually found me and not through my submission.
I have'nt spent a penny on inclusions anywhere and am ranking high where i wanna be. Even listed in DMOZ already.
Would still like to know if anyone has a site hosted by yahoo and might be able to give me more information regarding my original question...
if you have a site hosted by yahoo, will it show up in yahoo web search results. I realize that yahoo is still getting it's results from google and that that may change soon.
Would a site hosted by yahoo automatically get shuffled into the new search database when they switched?
| 9:26 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Yep, anyone who wants to get into Ink without paying simply go to [free.submit-it.com...] .. but I have a feeling, and hey its just a feeling so dont anyone take this the wrong way .. that when Yahoo drops G and takes on perhaps an Ink / Fast index it may also drop the FREE resulst. So be cautious about using the free option.
Also bare in mind that when submitting for free your site is automaticly raned lower than a site which has paid the $39.95 to be included. I remember hearing from an Ink. exec. about this a long time ago. Thats right guys and girls, Ink ranks your site lower if you dont pay (suprise suprise).
I would doubt very very much that Yahoo stores will get auto. added to Yahoo's new index.
| 9:27 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
...sorry about the spelling (im falling asleep!)
| 11:07 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
If yahoo dropped all the free listings from it's "new index" then that index would not be as large and inclusive as their competitions. I don't think they will do that.
As far as ranking higher in ink and fast if you have a paid listing, this is a fairly well known fact. But Just because you're paying does not mean you will rank better than your competition. In the end it still boils down to your meta tags, links, and content. If you're good at these things then you will still come out above your competition, even if they are paying and you are not.
The real advantage to paying in my opinion is that you are garuanteed regular visits from the bots so you can change your info around untill you are ranked where you want to be. On the other hand inktomi's slurp comes by my newest unpaid site almost every day anyway. Fast only comes once a month though.
As for all these paid inclusion engines and programs...If site owners and webmaster's keep paying to get in, then sooner or later SE traffic will all come down to who has the most money. Instead of the best quality web site, or service or product or whatever else it is that we all have to offer.
| 11:57 pm on Jul 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
sorry ondumbbear but i think you are completely wrong...because ink does rank sites that have not paid lower than those that have paid for the 48 hour refresh it doesnt matter how well optimized they are...cos if you are up against 20 others that are paid and optimized just as well you are going to incur the Ink ranking penaly.
As far as ranking lower in ATW if you arent on paid inclusion can you provide me with a link on this info as have never heard of it before.
As for saying that Yahoo would have a small index if they dropped paid listings, sorry again but this is sooo not true.
Yahoo now own Ink, FAST and AV. Thats 3 paid indexes they have at their disposal, on top of those in the Y directory.
It would make PERFECT sense for them to drop the free listings for commercial sites, after all this is what they did with the Y directory didnt they!...you have to pay if you are commercial to get in and non-commercial is free so it makes sense that if their business approach remains the same they will follow this route.
Alternatively I can see them putting free to the bottom..remember they are a business, they own 3 paid inclusion programs and they own Overture (nearly)....but remember the main thing:
If they use pure Ink then free sites will get ranked lower anyway ..
| 3:57 am on Jul 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
The problem with paying to be included in Fast and Inktomi is that they only index the page that you have paid for. So if you pay to have your home page included, they will not index the rest of your site. If you have a large site and a lot of pages that you want included, well this could get expensive.
On the other hand, if you do a free submit (providing that your site is linked properly) they will index your entire website.
The problem, as SuzziJ points out, is that if there are 20 paid for sites in your category that are all optimized well, then your shot.
If Yahoo does go to complete paid for inclusions, then their searches will become less relevant. People are smart enough that they will see these poor search results and stop using Yahoo. This was part of Yahoo's original problem and (at least I beleive) is the main reason they started using Google for their search results.
| 5:36 am on Jul 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I totally agree that if other sites are optimized as well as yours is that you will rank lower in the paid search engines. However, I don't often find that sites are optimized exactly the same way. There are so many possible variables to the content and meta tags of any given web page. If the only way you can think of to get listed above your competition is to "pay"...
As far as yahoo having 3 different databases to use for search results, all 3 databases are full of the same sites. Generally ones that run a business of some sort. If all yahoo used was paid listings for it's search results it would look more like a directory than a web search engine.
But WHAT DO I KNOW, i truly am just onedumbear and don't really feel comfortable calling myself a webmaster... i get by though.
SO IM still hoping for some more input to my original question.
| 6:30 am on Jul 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I realize it's not yahoo related but here's a something i came accross in MSN.
Within Web Directory results, there may also be links where the Web site owners have paid for the expedited review of their site or for clicks to their site. These sites are ranked using the normal algorithm applied to all links within each section, with no change in rank due to payment.
Within Web Page results, there may be links where the Web site owners have paid for either expedited review of their site or paid for clicks to their site. These sites are ranked using the normal algorithm applied to all links within each section, with no change in rank due to payment.
This can be found by clicking on the ABOUT link next to WEB DIRECTORY SITES and WEB PAGES when you do a search from MSN.
| 11:07 pm on Jul 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
interesting find onedumbear...i like that..
| 7:12 am on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)|
One last note concerning MSN. It's fairly common knowledge and no big secret, but some people still don't know and maybe this will help one of them...
If you have a non business website you can always get your site listed in the MSN directory results (powered by looksmart) by becoming an editor at Zeal. It is an easy process and lately sites and pages that are accepted show up in the MSN directory results and elsewhere within 2 days to a week.
If you have a business website with some pages that are almost completely nonbusiness, you can submitt those pages as well.
The MSN directory results currently are listed above the web results when you do a search. It's a "good place to be", especially free...