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Yahoo Launching New Search Engine
Google on the way out or the big winner?
RBuzz




msg:830165
 4:26 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Reuters and the AP are reporting that Yahoo's rolling out a new search engine in the morning. Reuters sez:

Reuters at Forbes.com [forbes.com].

"Yahoo's goal for the new products remains the same as always -- to boost users and revenue from Internet queries -- and Weiner was quick to deny the changes are a direct assault on Google's market share. The new setup, however, includes a number of Google-like features, including a more tightly integrated image search and small boxed text ads on the right side of the page."

I have a call into Yahoo PR. In the meantime I'll be doing some experimenting to see if the changes are up yet. Anyone want to guess how long Google's going to continue to provide results to Yahoo?

Other things that make me go hmmm: How long before Yahoo unhooks with Overture if ever? Overture sure seems like a more direct threat with the recent acquisition of AltaVista/AlltheWeb. When does somebody pick up AskJeeves, which seems to me to be a very solid property that a lot of these search engines
could put to good use? When will search engines get a clue about RSS feeds? Is Northern Light alive or what?

Who the heck needs soap operas when you got search engines?

RBuzz

 

Marcia




msg:830195
 9:22 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't see what they did except mess things up a little.

This reminds me of that thread in Foo that NFFC started last year when there was a big Yahoo "happening" with everyone waiting for hours for its debut. All it was, was a special sale event for Yahoo shopping and the only thing that *some* of the gentlemen <cough> found worthy to notice was some ad for a low cut bathing suit with a photo.

It was nothing more than PR spin that time, and I think we've been had again.

sachac




msg:830196
 9:39 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

I disagree. I believe we will soon be seeing new search results in Yahoo, totally different from Google. Check out the results on both engines for "computers" and "cosmetics". They are both entirely different and resemble no results I have seen anywhere else.

Marcia




msg:830197
 9:48 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>They are both entirely different and resemble no results I have seen anywhere else.

Noplace else did Yahoo get paid. ;)

cosmetics looks nothing like Ink or Google, it looks like all PAID results in all the top search spots, either Yahoo shopping or from the directory. I don't even like to think about the implications of that.

chiyo




msg:830198
 10:52 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

good call marcia..

Y! has to be careful. Presuming the strategy is to grab searchers market share from Google. - Googlers will give them one or two chances after their roll out, and if the SERPS look highly commercial or full of ads, they wont give it another try for a few weeks, or months.

That first roll out is crucial.

linkshark




msg:830199
 11:10 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

A new site that I built on March 5, 2003 is showing on MSN after Slurp stopped by. Not seeing any sign of it in Yahoo! yet.

EBear




msg:830200
 11:15 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can anyone tell me, when did they revert to alphabetical listings in the directory? They used to shift round every few months. Is it time to dust down those 111AAAAAKey-Phrase.com domains?

bignooz




msg:830201
 11:56 am on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

same results with :

[b.search.yahoo.com...]
[new.search.yahoo.com...]

Brett_Tabke




msg:830202
 12:05 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is there any word anywhere on what time this new rollout was suppose to commence?

Am I seeing things, or if you click on "more results from this site" they are lined up by pr?

kaz




msg:830203
 12:14 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Banner ads are gone ... on the new search version

xcandyman




msg:830204
 12:22 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

This just says to me even more that Google has really changed how people search on the internet on what the other search engines MUST do in order to compete. I never saw banner adds anyway on Yahoo good ol Phoenix blocks all banners from Yahoo :)

I don't see Yahoo even coming close to fighting for top spot for searchers even if they SOMEHOW get better results than google Yahoo has gained a bad reputation among searches and it will take a lot to win them back IMO.

I'm waiting for the new major player to rise up from the dust to take all current leaders in search including google. I really can't see this happening from Yahoo, Overture or other players at the moment. The more competition we have and the more breakthrough's we have technology wise and Algo wise we will all have a better internet experiance. I mean the Internet is all about "searching" we should get some great engines.

My 2p

Steve

nicebloke




msg:830205
 12:34 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Anyone check out the advanced search option yet?

Product search engine beta:

[products.yahoo.com...]

jayq




msg:830206
 3:18 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

It just looks like another fron end to Google. wow!

sem4u




msg:830207
 4:05 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

It looks more and more like Google.

Even has it's own toolbar now ;)

Chris_R




msg:830208
 4:06 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

The fact that they copied google shows even more how profitable the google model is.

Text ads on the right and everything.

They still haven't figured everything out.

Most people aren't going to pay $$$$ to read news stories.

GoInkGo




msg:830209
 5:31 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

The new Yahoo Search service incorporates some of the technology of Inktomi, the search-technology company Yahoo acquired in December. Google is still providing Yahoo's algorithmic search results.

[cbs.marketwatch.com...]

GoInkGo




msg:830210
 5:58 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

The company said the new search option, which will be rolled out further over the next few days, features a cleaner interface and offers faster ways to find results.

It also includes technology Yahoo! acquired last December through its US$235 million purchase of Inktomi's (Nasdaq: INKT - news) consumer search engine business.

[story.news.yahoo.com...]

Does this mean that we will never see Ink results in Yahoo? Yahoo bought only the Ink's technology?

GoInkGo




msg:830211
 6:02 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

But while Yahoo fights to regain the ground it has lost to Google over the last few years, the company still counts on the company for some of its search results.

However, the Sunnyvale, California, company is hoping that the combination of Google and Inktomi technology, as well as its own distinct offerings such as sports scores and yellow pages will put it back on top.

[story.news.yahoo.com...]

steveb




msg:830212
 8:56 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Am I seeing things, or if you click on "more results from this site" they are lined up by pr?"

Lined up by PR combined with relevance for the specific search term.

For a single word some of my pages that have much higher PR than others rank lower than lower PR pages, but the higher page might mention the word once, while the lower PR page might be all about the term.

However, for pages that have the same amount of use of the word, looks definitely like a best-to-worst PR list.

I haven't been able to figure out how to just list my site pages by PR. domian.com as a search won't do it.

gopi




msg:830213
 9:24 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

It seems from this CNN article yahoo will use google index until the year end ...a lot of time to learn INK algo :)

[cnn.com...]

GoInkGo




msg:830214
 11:02 pm on Apr 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

From the link above (see Gopi post)

To lessen its dependence on Google, Yahoo last month bought search engine specialist Inktomi for $279.5 million. Yahoo plans to incorporate Inktomi's tools in to its search engine by year's end.

crobb305




msg:830215
 1:20 am on Apr 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see nothing different on Yahoo.com. Same ole clutter-filled search page. How can they advertise this huge unveiling to occur today, then disappoint their customers. Or, am I missing something?

richardb




msg:830216
 1:58 am on Apr 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

From earlier post -- finally got the bottom of why our placements where so high the results were from the ATW feed.

Rich

Namaste




msg:830217
 10:14 pm on Apr 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

what is Yahoo bringing new to the market?
they copy Google, buy Inktomi, bundle it together annd get what? BLAH

I think they're surviving 'cause they are Google powered, the day they switch to Inktomi, they go the down again...like MSN

Namaste




msg:830218
 10:16 pm on Apr 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

what is Yahoo bringing new to the market?
they copy Google, buy Inktomi, bundle it together annd get what? BLAH

I think they're surviving 'cause they are Google powered, the day they switch to Inktomi, they go the down again...like MSN

jadakiss2




msg:830219
 2:16 am on Apr 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

This is like a bad and late April Fools joke. I mean come on. When are they going to stand on their own two feet and put their own directory back to good use. If Google is such a competitor I don't understand how this is all helping. This is a freakin joke! I'm glad I was able to build another profitable business while waiting for Yahoo to decide what it wanted to do with it's search engine. If I would not have done so, we'd be broke and poor. I wonder how many businesses and self-employed careers they ruined by trashing the directory and dumping the results of it's loyal customers who spent thousands of dollars on it year after year. Jerks!

Visi




msg:830220
 2:43 am on Apr 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

right down to the cached pages....mmmm

decaff




msg:830221
 7:01 pm on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Basically, Yahoo has never promised anyone anything...all this to do about the money spent using their PFR (Pay For Review...NOT... PPI - Pay Per Inclusion) service of $299 annual with no specific guarantee that any particular site would be included in the directory...

It was a no-brainer to optimize for the Yahoo directory and get great rankings and great traffic...once Yahoo actually looked at their own results and saw that if this were allowed to continue their SERPs would degrade seriously and they would lose visitors to deliver ads to...they decided to get on board with Google and deliver better quality search results and ride the popularity of Google's brand to higher ad revenues...

The game was to get into the Yahoo directory, per their instructions, once accepted, tweak the site for Google to crawl (pre-Oct2002 strategy)...Plus...Google seemed to quickly crawl fresh sites in the Yahoo directory...

One must remember that while all of us out here are fighting our battles and winning some and losing some the big players are making closed door deals that will benefit them...first...their user base (the folks who use their service to find information)...second...and maybe all the others folks who use the service to run businesses...or perhaps...short term scams...

It's extremely doubtful if Yahoo will ever revert back to delivering directory results as their primary SERP....just to much crap ended up in that database...they would be taking some serious steps backwards...

just my humble, tired opinions...no offense meant to anyone...

vitaplease




msg:830222
 10:40 am on Apr 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

At first I thought the "related search feature " would be something clever as with Teoma's "refine". However it seems to be a near copy of the Overture suggestion tool.

[Added]

Related Searches
We'll make some suggestions too. If other people using Yahoo! Search have looked for something similar, links to related searches will appear under the search box at the top of your web results page.

from:http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/basics/basics-04.html

So thats why they look like OV' suggestions

[/Added]

Jaze




msg:830223
 9:39 pm on Apr 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Nah, just pull out the cc and head to PositionTech ;-)

That's not very reassuring. As much as I understand that search engines need to make money somehow, I don't agree that one should be forced to pay to get listed or continue to be listed!

Too much influence on results particularly by unscrupulous webmasters/sems!

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