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Irrelevant search terms are now OK!
Official line from 7search.com
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msg:801770
 6:38 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

This is from an email I got from 7search.com:

"
Important News Bulletin Board to 7Search Advertisers
Updated Tuesday- May-21-2001

Irrelevant search terms are now OK!
...
"

They go on to detail their new program whereby you can advertise for key phrases that are 'related' but not 'relevant' and so on. If I find a URL for the newsletter I'll post it here. Their new program is probably no big deal, just posted the thing for sh**s and giggles.

 

Mike_Mackin




msg:801771
 6:54 pm on May 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

Got it just now.

"Irrelevant search terms are now OK!"

no comment.

bigjohnt




msg:801772
 4:15 pm on May 30, 2001 (gmt 0)

They may be okay to bid on and pay for.
They are just not okay with my conversion formulas or my accountant.
Degrading search results in trade for increased revenue... sound familiar?
Gain advertising revenue> lose traffic> bad idea

skipper




msg:801773
 9:00 am on May 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks for this post. I got the same email from 7 Search and scratched my head for some time. Mulled it over, could not figure -- am I dumb or are they? Maybe they think we are all dumb !! There might (?????) be some value to what they offer for visibility/branding alone, if the price is downright cheap -- like .000001 per click on irrelvant terms that are at least related in the broadest sense to what you sell on a site. Maybe. But I never got that far with 7Search's offer to figure out what I would have to pay. Anyone else look that far?

Laisha




msg:801774
 10:08 pm on May 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

>"Irrelevant search terms are now OK!"

Not for anyone conducting a search.

Looks to me like a last gasp for $$$. Personally, I'd say it won't be long before their irrelevance okays them right out of the market!

Chris_R




msg:801775
 4:09 am on Jun 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

Sorry, but I have to say the people at 7 are morons. I submitted 2,000 keywords for one of my adult pages. Not to get to specific, but it had to do with teens.

Out of the 2,000 keywords - some of which were not really related to the site - they ended up rejecting "teen sex", which was probably the most relevant term out of all of them.

Not only that, but the person who was listed number 1 for that term - ran a site that is ILLEGAL in the US. I am not talking borderline here either. I mailed 7 search and basically asked them to explain how they can reject one keyword out of 2,000 that was related more than the other 2,000 keywords and why the person "who I presume complained about it" is allowed to advertise a totally irrelevant and illegal site to that term.

No response of course.

skipper




msg:801776
 4:46 am on Jun 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

This is not exactly related to the topic at hand but after 6 months of experience with Goto.com I am beginning to doubt the validity of any of these PPCs. Hate to say it, as at first I thought, "hey this is pretty good visibility" and for my keyword terms, I did not have pay a lot to get good position, compared to what some have to pay as seen on some of the threads and topics I have seen here.

But over time, it just seems you pay a lot, get traffic, I don't say I don't, but my sales stay level with what I had before I got all that traffic.

So I have to echo, even for the PPCs like Goto.com bigjohnt's statement:

> "Degrading search results in trade for increased revenue... sound familiar?
Gain advertising revenue> lose traffic> bad idea"

I am really beginning to think a lot of the PPC traffic is bogus in terms of value.

Of course I really won't know that until I reduce my PPC buys to 0 or near 0 and then see what happens. But I am seriously considering it.

chiyo




msg:801777
 7:53 am on Jun 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

I am seeing in my keyword terms at GoTo several major dot Coms heading the list, with very shaky relevance. They are broad based dot Coms but seem to be approved for many specific terms, especially in lower value keywords. This has happened in the last 4 months.

Not complaining. GoTo is a very small part of our promotion, really just based on the branding advantages when incoporated in mainstream SE's such as AV.

But from where I sit, based on a very small sample of terms, it seems GoTo is letting their relevancy go to pot, in their struggle to remain finacially afloat.

We may see the time where Se's like AV for example, see that the advantage they receive with using GoTo is not worth the lack of relevancy and specificity returned in their SERPS for users.

I agree with you that PPC is reaching a critical moment. Relevancy must be the key criterion for any Search facility surely, with others being less important - like speed, clarity of returns etc. Yet staying afloat at the moment seems to be at the expense of relevancy, and once you lose that you lose the reason for existance.

The incorporation of GoTo reults in other mainstream engines starting last year, may well turn out to be GoTo's last major success. The whole PPC bidding model may be on its last legs, especially if alternative models like the new flash ads, better market positioning for ads, higher quality indexes like Google and Fast (if they can find a way to raise sustainable revenue), and other nascent technologies continue to improve their game.

PPC bidding models were well suited for the late 1990's early 2000 biz environment where it was all about rushing fast to dominate an arena in the hope that you will crush any later opposition due to very broad brand visibility. Now Im not so sure. People are starting to question the VALUE of their traffic in terms of targeting and conversion, not just hits alone.. and for that, the value of PPC is becoming more highly questionable every month.

bigjohnt




msg:801778
 2:33 pm on Jun 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

Its all still about conversion. Whether I am spending my money on SEO, PPC, banners, Email what have you.. the only metric that works for me is ROI. How many sales, what margin, etc. you know the drill.
For some clients, we intially use PPC in broad terms to create some branding. After that has run for a little while,we tighten down to very tight, more relevant terms in hopes of better conversion, and let the broad terms drop.

skipper




msg:801779
 7:48 pm on Jun 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

re bigjohnt 's comment> "we intially use PPC in broad terms to create some branding. After that has run for a little while,we tighten down to very tight, more relevant terms in hopes of better conversion, and let the broad terms drop."<

Yes, that is what I started out doing back in March, and just recently narrowed to the tight terms only. We'll see if that works, but frankly I can't help but wonder, given the narrow description for my site that appears on GoTo listings, that lets the clicker know he is only going to see x products on a term he searched for that was broad enough to include wxyz products, why I still got such poor ROI?

Also, there are some real screwy "search engines" -- IMHOP, that show up as partners of GoTo.com in my logs. I'm not talking about Dogpile and Mamma, and the better know mega search engines, but some real off-the-wall places I don't think I could ever find on my own.

Most of my buyers, as best I can tell, still continue to come from yahoo, aol, msn and google. Goto and its off-beat partners just don't seem to bring buying clicks.

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