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Domain names in Chinese
The web gets more character??
Woz




msg:797605
 3:04 am on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

It would seem that Domain Names in Chinese Characters are on the way.

Article Here [english.peopledaily.com.cn]

(LOL, don't you just love the wording - "skirmishes in the registration")

also [url=www.InternetNamesWW.com]Melbourne IT[/url], a good 'ol Aussie company, claim to be the first registrar of Chinese Character Domains.

Interesting..

Onya
Woz

 

rencke




msg:797606
 6:37 am on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Woz:

Read the article but don't understand how that would work. Explain please.
From the article: "For example, the Legend group can register as www..com ( means Legend)."

How on earth would one enter that from a normal keyboard? Does this mean that non-Chinese users would be completely dependant on directories and search engines, where one could simply click links?

(There is a petition before our parliament right now, where an MP wants the Swedish letters and into Internet url:s. But how could anyone with a non-Swedish keyboard ever use them?)

bill




msg:797607
 7:32 am on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

You can enter Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Thai, or any other double byte language from a regular "English keyboard". You just need some software, like Microsoft's [url=www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/features/ime.asp]Global IME[/url] to allow you to enter it.

On a [url=www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/news/113700]related note[/url], JPNIC in Japan is starting registration of .jp names (both English and Japanese) Jan. 22, 2001.

Woz




msg:797608
 7:57 am on Oct 24, 2000 (gmt 0)

Rencke,

you would need the fonts installed and the Chinese Typing software installed.

>>www..com ( means Legend)

this looks stupid to us but would translate into the correct Chinese Characters if the fonts are installed. So yes it would pretty much isolte the site to Chinese Readers. Even if there were English pages I don't know how anyone would type the URL.

Of course the same would apply to extended characters in any language such as the Scandinavian languages, French, German, etc.

I guess it maybe a good thing for culturally or ethnically focused sites but it would alienate these sites from the rest of the world. But then who are we to complain?? About 1/4 of the worlds population cannot read our pages in this one country alone.

As to typing Chinese, a quick description, there are various systems around. Not sure about Japanese or Korean, but with chinese you type the PinYin (Romanisations) using regular letters and then choose the correct character from a list. Quite simple really.

Onya
Woz

Woz




msg:797609
 7:55 am on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Well it seems that NSI have been offering Chinese Domains for a month or so and the Chinese are none too happy [technology.scmp.com]!

Onya
Woz

Edited by: Woz

Marcia




msg:797610
 9:36 am on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Woz do you think the domain mamaHooHoo is available?

Woz




msg:797611
 3:37 pm on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

>>Woz do you think the domain mamaHooHoo is available?

Nup! got took in '99. Doin' nuttin' Dayum!

Onya
Woz

rencke




msg:797612
 4:05 pm on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

>>type the PinYin (Romanisations) using regular letters and then choose the correct character from a list

PinYin would not translate directly into the correct Chinese character then? There would be a choice depending on context, pronounciation, inflection etc??? With the average surfer likely to be Chinese within the next 10 years, getting to understand this seems a worthwhile way to spend the off hours.

Slightly off-topic: I think I will get started on the big book "The realm of characters". Bought it a year ago. It is the story of the evolution of Chinese characters from the early carvings on bronzes 8.000(?) years ago and up to modern times. Believe it or not, but it is actually written by my old school teacher right here in Stockholm and apparantely so remarkable and one-of-a-kind that the Chinese governement commissioned a translation from Swedish into Chinese last year. The book has adorned my coffee table for a while, but this is it... Time to get started.

littleman




msg:797613
 9:02 pm on Oct 25, 2000 (gmt 0)

Also kind of off topic but interesting for the geeky types. I've played arraign with asian characters and regular expression work in perl. Perl handles them just in the same manner as roman characters.

Woz




msg:797614
 2:04 am on Oct 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

Rencke

>>There would be a choice depending on context, pronounciation, inflection etc???

Correct. For example, the word "Zi" means either Four or Death depending on the pronunciation. The Chinese are just as superstitious as we are which is why Four is the Chinese equivalent of Thirteen in English culture.

And you are right in that Non-Romanised domains will play a big part in the evolvement of the Internet in years to come. But... >>I think I will get started on the big book

Just so you know what you are in for, you need to be able to recognise at least 2,000 charaqcters just to read the newspaper!

And the latest on Chinese Domains:-

Network Solutions looks to register China's small businesses [technology.scmp.com]

Chinese Domain Name Registration Ranks 11th in the World [english.peopledaily.com.cn]

Onya
Woz

[oops, typed 20,000 character instead of 2,000. Thanks Bill]

Edited by: Woz

bill




msg:797615
 4:43 am on Oct 26, 2000 (gmt 0)

Just so you know what you are in for, you need to be able to recognise at least 20,000 charaqcters just to read the newspaper!

Go for Japanese then...you only need 2,000-3,000 Chinese characters to read the paper. ;)

Woz




msg:797616
 10:04 am on Nov 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

The chinese Government is now officially unhappy [technology.scmp.com]!

Onya
Woz

rencke




msg:797617
 1:37 pm on Nov 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

The link leads to a login page and the registration contains just about everything needed for a visa to China. Do you think you might relate what the Chinese government is unhappy about? Personally I am very happy about you knocking off a digit from the charachter knowledge requirement.:)

Woz




msg:797618
 1:52 am on Nov 5, 2000 (gmt 0)

From the South Morning China Post
(registrations is free folks)
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Beijing lodges complaint over domain names
JAMILA ZHOU

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The United States Government has no right to authorise any firm to manage domain names that contain Chinese characters because 97 per cent of Chinese-language users live in mainland China and Taiwan, a Beijing official said.
Hu Qiheng, director of the China Internet Network Information Centre (CNNIC)'s working committee, said Beijing had lodged a complaint with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) over the registration of Chinese domain names.

Organisations that wanted to promote Chinese domain name services in mainland China should first get the approval of Beijing, Mr Hu told China News Service on Thursday.

Chinese domain names had special cultural and historical meanings and were very different from the complete ASCII (English) domain names, he said, adding that China should participate in establishing international standards for Chinese domain names.

"Personally, I think we have all the reasons to succeed [in the dispute]," said Mr Hu, who is also vice-chairman of China's Science and Technology Association.

Mr Hu's criticism is latest salvo in an ongoing row between Beijing and Network Solutions Inc over NSI's promotion of its Chinese domain name registration service.

Earlier, CNNIC, China's top Internet regulatory body, accused NSI of encroaching on China's sovereignty. The Chinese Domain Name Consortium (CDNC), which was jointly established by Internet information centres in mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau, backed CNNIC's view, saying that the NSI's promotion of the service was "misleading".

NSI, the world's largest domain name registration firm, had planned to start the Chinese domain name registration service at the end of last month but delayed the launch. It has not announced a new date for the launch, according to reports in Chinese official media.

On Wednesday, the CNNIC issued its proposed regulations on solving Chinese domain name disputes and authorised the China International Economic and Trade Arbitration Committee (CIETAC) to handle related disputes.

On the same day, it announced that it would upgrade its Chinese domain name registration system on November 7.

Users may apply for Chinese domain names ending with .cn and Chinese characters meaning China, company and Net through nine authorised registration agencies, including Jitong Communications and a Hong Kong firm dealing with Chinese domain name registration.

All the 80,000 Chinese domain names already registered would be transferred automatically to the new system, which was highly compatible with the English domain name system, CNNIC said. Users would be able to use Chinese domain names to visit the related Web sites.

Another report in Beijing Economic Daily said a specialist group jointly formed by Chinese Academy of Sciences, the State Bureau of Technology Standard and the Ministry of Information Industry would work to establish a technical standard for Chinese domain name registration.

The Ministry of Information Industry is also busy drafting regulations to protect Chinese domain names and will be published soon.

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rencke, sorry, here is your digit ===>> 0

Onya
Woz

rencke




msg:797619
 7:30 am on Nov 5, 2000 (gmt 0)

Very interesting indeed. Thanks. (Also for the digit, i shall nurture it.)

NFFC




msg:797620
 7:17 am on Nov 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

"Internet users in China, Japan and Korea this week can start registering Internet addresses in their native tongues as the keeper of the global ".com" registry takes its first step toward internationalizing the powerful Domain Name System (DNS)."

Article here [computeruser.com]

bill




msg:797621
 5:01 am on Nov 13, 2000 (gmt 0)

-> NSI starts accepting 2-byte domain names

US-based Network Solution Inc. (NSI) has started experimental registration of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean domain names. Currently InterQ and PSI Japan can handle registrations of the NSI-managed domains in Japan. NSI has made it clear that so far the registrations are indeed a test, and that they can't be resolved by DNS servers yet. That step comes at the beginning of next year. (Source: [url=www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/moren/116757]Nikkei[/url], Nov 10, 2000)

Woz




msg:797622
 10:07 pm on Dec 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

Apparently the Chinese Government is still not happy about other registrars offering domains in Chinese Characters. Article here [wired.com].

There certainly seems to be a lot of interest in the Native Language domains. Has anyone out there registered one yet adn if so has it been successful??

Onya
Woz

Woz




msg:797623
 11:58 pm on Dec 13, 2000 (gmt 0)

China and Taiwan seem to have agreed to work together on registering Chinese Character Domain Names and transfer existing domains from Traditional Chinese to Simplified Chinese. Story here [english.peopledaily.com.cn].

Onya
Woz

Edited by: Woz

Woz




msg:797624
 9:58 am on Dec 19, 2000 (gmt 0)

[DomainPricing.com ] will be holding an auction of ten top China related .com Domain Names this Thursday. Article Here [technology.scmp.com]

From what I can see of their front page they have quite a few on offer including some interesting ones. 139.net for example, 139 is one of the prefixes for Mobile Telephones (Cell Phones for those across the pond..) in China. Good for a mobile Phone reseller perhaps...

Onya
Woz

Woz




msg:797625
 11:02 pm on Dec 20, 2000 (gmt 0)

VeriSign set to end China domain name row. Article here [technology.scmp.com]

Onya
Woz

Woz




msg:797626
 12:10 am on Dec 27, 2000 (gmt 0)

The struggle with Chinese Character Domains continues between the Chinese Government and Verisign. Article here [cnn.com].

I find it interesting that the Chinese Government is suddenly Nationalistic in saying that it has the sole rights to register anything in the Chinese language, when they have been happily registering .cn domains in English for some time. Surely this is the sole right of England!?!?!

Even so, I hope the dispute is resolved quickly to avoid duplication of domains and general confusion.

<quote> There was even talk in the press of blocking access in China to addresses using VeriSign's system, as Beijing does now for Web sites of some foreign media and critics of communist rule. </quote>

<quote> The Chinese government's system threatens to use the same domain names as one of VeriSign's partners, a Singapore-based start-up called i-DNS.net. That means users in different geographical locations who type in the exact same address might be led to different Web sites. </quote>

This article brings up quite a few points. Well worth the read.

onya
Woz

Woz




msg:797627
 10:33 pm on Feb 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

The China Internet Network Centre has officially launched it's Chinese Domain Name services, although there is no mention here [english.peopledaily.com.cn] about any "interaction" with the "other" Chinese Domain Name system.

Also, it seems you have to install specific software to handle the names. I suspect this may be just Chinese Character input software but the details are unclear.

Onya
Woz

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