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Yahoo Japan chief rips U.S. broadband
bill




msg:795507
 6:10 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

article [cbs.marketwatch.com]
Son said Japan has adapted more rapidly because it can offer more bandwidth capacity and lower prices. ... He blames the U.S. regulatory climate for stunting broadband growth, which is just now picking up.

Well...he's got a point. The speeds that the US consider broadband are laughable compared to what is available in Japan for the same amount of money or less.

 

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msg:795508
 6:13 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

go on bill make me jealous (I am on dial up) what speeds are available in Japan and for how much?

bill




msg:795509
 6:20 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think I've gloated about this before ;)

I have a 100mbps fiber optic line going into my home for roughly $45/month.

Warren




msg:795510
 9:01 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

That is just making me sick.

I am in Australia and pay $70Aus (approx $50US) for a 256/128K connection.

That is unlimited with Static IP.

Leosghost




msg:795511
 11:36 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

France ..512k for 25$ US per month ..faster upto 2 megs for 50$ US per month ...Problem is that you have to be within 5 kms of atown of around 5,000 inhabitants to have access to this ..Parisiens as always have it much better, faster, cheaper ..they make the rules ...Most centralised country outside of ex URSS!
Dailup 56K 35US per month ...A year ago these were all twice these prices..
Those living in Paris or Lyon and a few other cities can also have 25 crappy Tv stations ( France has no other kind except canal + ..and that has seen much better programming in the past )down their phone lines at about 60$ per month plus rental ...
All of the above internet prices are not inclusive of line rental ..about 20$ per month extra...

David_M




msg:795512
 3:35 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Watched an interview with Son on CNBC yesterday. Was asked what he thought about VOIP. I've had Yahoo BB phone for a while now- seems almost like a funny question, like what do you think about a graphical browser.

Warren




msg:795513
 12:59 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think that VOIP is a great idea.

But the biggest problem - at least here in Australia - is the price of the handsets. They are simply too expensive.

I worked on a pilot with a company who was lucky enough to have all their routers, switches and PABX come off lease within 4 weeks of each other. It was more cost effective for them to do VOIP and IP telephony (between 7 different branch offices) than to get a new PABX.

The biggest cost of the entire project, was buying the 700 phones they needed.

GrendelKhan TSU




msg:795514
 3:21 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a 100mbps fiber optic line going into my home for roughly $45/month.

I THINK I got ya beat bill. :p I'll go check, but I know I at least get the same-ish here. ^^

PLUS we get high-speed wireless service for like $25ish additional a month.

weeeeeeeeeeee! :D

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msg:795515
 4:42 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

My GF is from Japan and she has Wirless 12mbps including phone service for $US15 a month, and same company offers 54mbps at $25 per month not wireless including phone service. And there last company was cheaper but they had problems with the service. Like warren Im in Australia But I live on Campus so my speeds are about 1mps comes with my Accomadation fees.

regards,
Mark

maccas




msg:795516
 5:14 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would hate to hear what he would say about New Zealand. Telecom has a monopoly here and the best you can get is 128/128 capped to 10gigs for about $60 a month.

bill




msg:795517
 7:55 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I THINK I got ya beat bill. :p
No way...I'm the fastest guy on WebmasterWorld ;) Seriously though I thought that was about the fastest you could get from a commercial ISP anywhere. Please report back about that.
Edwin




msg:795518
 8:01 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sounds like my 8Mbps $25 a month connection is overpriced ;)

Warren




msg:795519
 8:34 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

"I live on Campus so my speeds are about 1mps comes wth my Accomadation fees"

*sighs fondly*

I remember those days. Cept I lived very close to campus and would simply go in late at night and utlize all the available bandwidth.

Now I actually have to pay for it - well at least expense it back! ;-)

lukasz




msg:795520
 2:14 pm on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

In terms or internet connection Australia is in third world - thanks to T
Last month they started testing FTTH.
Imagine the plans "100MB FTTH with whopping 200MB traffic included which will enable you to surf for full 16 seconds"
Son-san please come to Australia!

bill




msg:795521
 9:01 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

It looks like there is a new DSL on the horizon called Uni-DSL, or UDSL that will have speeds up to 200 mbps. Texas Instruments just announced this yesterday, but I'm not sure when it would actually become available and where.

GrendelKhan TSU




msg:795522
 2:43 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

It looks like there is a new DSL on the horizon called Uni-DSL, or UDSL that will have speeds up to 200 mbps. Texas Instruments just announced this yesterday, but I'm not sure when it would actually become available and where.

yikes! that is awesome!
<<< mouth watering. :P

Anyway, "only" tied your your speed ... but I got ya on price!:

100mbps at about $25-$20ish US/month depending on term. Modem rental is an extra $8ish-$0! depending on term.

weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I'll check about wireless speeds price...but it ain't too bad either. :)

bill




msg:795523
 2:50 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

alright, you got me on price...;)

I was watching the BBC last night (or was it CNN) and they had a report saying that the cheapest broadband in the world is to be had in China. Now, I find this hard to believe as my company was setting up some new offices in China and the prices offered didn't seem all that cheap. China certainly has one of the highest adoption rates for the Internet in Asia, but that's because they were behind to begin with. I'm wondering about the verity of that broadband price statement.

GrendelKhan TSU




msg:795524
 4:10 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

alright, you got me on price...
I was watching the BBC last night (or was it CNN) and they had a report saying that the cheapest broadband in the world is to be had in China. Now, I find this hard to believe as my company was setting up some new offices in China and the prices offered didn't seem all that cheap. China certainly has one of the highest adoption rates for the Internet in Asia, but that's because they were behind to begin with. I'm wondering about the verity of that broadband price statement.

I think you're right to question it unless it was to be had be "less than scrupulous" methods. what do BBC CNN really know about that stuff anyway? I mean I am hard pressed to believe they checked every country (through asia and elsewhere and compared broadband price by mbps?...bah! probably, just a report of a report of some chinese guy on a forum saying "I got broadband for a buck!" somewhere.

ahem.

lol ;) :P

bill




msg:795525
 4:43 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah, that struck me funny when I heard it and there wasn't any source data referenced. I was listening for that sort of info, but they didn't mention anything. It's not like people from the US or UK know what real broadband is anyway. ;) They think that anything above dual ISDN speeds (128kbps) is broadband.

digitalv




msg:795526
 4:51 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that broadband is cheaper everywhere outside of the U.S. because those countries don't TAX THE F OUT OF IT like they do here :P

The taxes you actually see on your bill are nothing compared to what the cable/telco companies are paying that you never see - that part is worked into the price.

moltar




msg:795527
 4:59 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

In Canada, Rogers recently offered [shoprogers.com] a new high speed service - up to 5.0 Mbps download and 800 Kbps upload. The only thing I don't like about them is capping the upload speed so low...

bill




msg:795528
 5:19 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

broadband is cheaper everywhere outside of the U.S. because those countries don't TAX THE F OUT OF IT
That's what Mr. Son was saying in the article I first referenced ;) Everybody has a finger in the pie over there it seems. In this case a little socialism can be good.
digitalv




msg:795529
 1:55 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's also possible that it's just because there are more computers connected to the Internet in the USA than other parts of the world. Higher demand for bandwidth = everyone getting less of it.

trillianjedi




msg:795530
 2:08 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I know people in Japan on these silly speed connections that have tried running VoIP/streaming media servers and it's awful.

I suspect it's mega-contented?

bill




msg:795531
 1:16 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Higher demand for bandwidth = everyone getting less of it
I'm not sure that's it. I know there is a ton of unlit fiber lying underground in the US. The infrastructure is there in the metropolitan areas, but it's not being utilized. There's something else going on that's stopping broadband in the US.

Japan has about half the population size of the US, but everyone is squished into a country the size of California. I don't think there are necessarliy just more computers in the US. It's the proximity of the population that allows different technology to be implemented.

know people in Japan on these silly speed connections...
I run VoIP and streaming media on my silly speed FTTH connection and have no complaints. I've heard that some of the ADSL connections have issues due to the infrastructure. Your physical distance from the switch has some bearing.

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