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msg:800364
 10:42 pm on Oct 15, 2000 (gmt 0)

Interesting report on the Chinese Internet market and use of search engines here [sina.com].

<quote>
About 51 percent of those surveyed believe that the main reason for the large number of dead links is the slow updating of the search engine's databases
</quote>

Culled from SEW News [searchengineworld.com]

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:800365
 2:50 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hey Woz, are SE's in China indexing .com's? If so, how about a report?

grnidone




msg:800366
 2:52 pm on Nov 1, 2000 (gmt 0)

I wonder if the dead links are because the government is filtering what people can actually see?
-G

Woz




msg:800367
 2:41 am on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

>>Hey Woz, are SE's in China indexing .com's? If so, how about a report?

I must admit I don't frequent the Chinese SEs much. My focus is more international. However the ones I have checked out DO list .com's if applicable, although the reference is in Chinese. Take this page as an example. [search.sohu.com] I used Renckes favourite test term "Sweden".

>>filtering??

Maybe. I have added a post to the Domains forum about Chinese Domains which also talks about this situation. It are 'ere.
[webmasterworld.com]

I am still slowly working on a list of Chinese SEs; perhaps next millenium??

Onya
Woz

Brett_Tabke




msg:800368
 1:40 pm on Nov 2, 2000 (gmt 0)

Ok thanks Woz. At least we aren't being filtered. Is there any "clean" (not adult or politically sensitive) content you can think of I should block from Chinese se's?

Woz




msg:800369
 4:30 am on Nov 3, 2000 (gmt 0)

>anything I should block from Chinese SEs??

Don't really know at this stage, will try to see if I can contact some Chinese SEs and find out. My gut feeling though is

1 Politically sensitive
2 adult
3 banned substances (including drugs, explosives etc)
4 banned activities (cults, terrorism etc)
5 illegal postings (serials and cracks for example although these ten to be mostly on Chinese or Russian sites anyway - or so I'm told...)
6 anything you have to think twice about.

This is as I say very gut feeling. Of course the question is if you submit sensitive URLs will they simply be "not included", or would the whole site be banned? Dunno at this stage. Will let you know if I have any further info.

Onya
Woz

Brett_Tabke




msg:800370
 1:17 pm on Nov 3, 2000 (gmt 0)

Again, very interesting stuff. I wouldn't have considered the banned substances - wow, that could cover some ground into legal prescription drugs.

henki




msg:800371
 1:52 pm on Nov 3, 2000 (gmt 0)

A lot of chinese on line. Thanks for the head up on that article.

A little question to Woz. How did the sites in your sample end up with Chinese titles and descriptions? Is it a cataloge style submission?

Woz




msg:800372
 7:29 am on Nov 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

>>legal prescription drugs.
<ROFLOLWTRNBC>
Not sure about USA but in Australia if you want prescription drugs you must forst go to a doctor to get the prescription and then go to a Chemist (Drug Store) to get the medicine. Said Chemist/Drugstore must of course be registered.

Here if you want medicine or medical drugs you simply go to the local Chemist and choose what you want at a fraction of the price in Western Chemists. So the danger is not importing into China, but exporting out of.

When we have taken Chinese medicine into Australia the customs officials always ask us about the ingredients as some of the Chinese Herbal medicines are banned in Australia. Such as Rhino Horn, Ivory, Tigers Claw, and the likes. I don't ingest these anyway, or at least not that I am aware of.

BTW, anybody want some Medicine? I'll just pop downstairs and get it! <jokin'>

I would be more concerned about illegal drugs and the likes. The penalty here is simple and swift - Death.

>A little question to Woz. How did the sites in your sample end up with Chinese titles and descriptions? Is it a cataloge style submission?

A little answer to henki. Dunno! I'll find out.

I can only surmise it is a human edited directory. I can't imagine they would use translation software; it is very good but...

Onya
Woz

PS <ROFLOLWTRNBC> = Rolling on Floor Laughing Out Loud With Tears Running Down Both Cheeks!

Mike_Mackin




msg:800373
 2:48 pm on Nov 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

Design GRAY sites :)

[ap.tbo.com...]

rencke




msg:800374
 2:59 pm on Nov 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

>Take this page as an example. [search.sohu.com] I used Renckes favourite test term "Sweden".

Clicked it. But I must say, that the only text on the page:

ؼ!
ӭʹѺ!*_*

doesn't tell me so much. Want to clue me in here?

henki




msg:800375
 3:27 pm on Nov 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

Your link just points to an empty search try this one. There are several result pages that are in english or swedish, with chinese titles and descriptions.
Has the editor found them by them selves? Or are they submitted somewhere on the site and the editor has translated the descriptions?
Or have the site owner submited the page in chinese?
I think number two, and then where is the submission page?

[search.sohu.com...]

Interesting to see the links that are served for the search word Sweden, among them the South African embassy in Switzerland! I can't read chinese but it makes you wonder, doesn't it?

rencke




msg:800376
 5:05 pm on Nov 4, 2000 (gmt 0)

Henki:

Thanks for the link. I know one of the site owners on page 2 very well, as you might guess... (That explains a mystery in my log file, so thanks again.)

Will find out, but I am 99.99% sure that the page was spidered from somewhere. It has 500+ links pointing to it, so we may never know. It is a very odd search reply and a motley collection of sites. Number 2 might well have been submitted and one or two more, but my guess is that the whole thing comes out of a man made index. The South African Embassy in Switzerland is an indication of that.

Wonder what xingjiang means? The link leads to xj.com which states that the url for sale. Sweden? Woz will have to straighten this out when he wakes up. (Have you noticed how he is always asleep when we need him?)

rencke




msg:800377
 10:33 pm on Nov 5, 2000 (gmt 0)

I wonder how long this Woz character sleeps? Never seen him pass on a thread about China this long before. WOOO-OOOZ! Are you OK? (God, how I wish someone would flatten this planet, so we can have him in the same time zone.)

Woz




msg:800378
 6:54 am on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

>(Have you noticed how he is always asleep when we need him?)
= No, you have it the wrong way around. You are always asleep when I am available!

>I wonder how long this Woz character sleeps?
= Never Enough!

>WOOO-OOOZ! Are you OK?
= Yep! Sorry! It was the weekend and I had to take the family out for their weekly constitutional.

>(God, how I wish someone would flatten this planet, so we can have him in the same time zone.)
= Nah! That would just make things easier!

Now, to business:-

>Wonder what xingjiang means?
= Dunno! I'll ask the wif'.

>Has the editor found them by them selves?
= Dunno!

>Or are they submitted somewhere on the site and the editor has translated the descriptions?
=Dunno!

>Or have the site owner submited the page in chinese?
=Unlikely!

>where is the submission page?
= Dunno!

>Interesting to see the links ....South African embassy in Switzerland...makes you wonder, doesn't it?
= Yep! I must admit I didn't look through the page exstensively. Just checked the URLs to see if they were .com or not.

As you can see there are a lot of Dunnos! so I have a lot of research to do. Leave it with me.

>Design GRAY sites
I must admit the modern architecture in China does sometimes leavea little to be desired. Shenzhen is a new city, only 21, and so most of the buildings are modern, - concrete, glass and tiles. In fact it has been said on many an occasion that Hong Kong, and now Shenzhen, are held together by tiles.

Shanghai has more of a western influence. Beijing is trying hard to be a modern city, this new edict explains how much. Perhaps to achieve the desired result they should not try as hard....

Harbin, northern China, has a lot of Russian influence and is quite beautiful.

As an example of the power of local government, and supporting the registering a Chinese Domain [webmasterworld.com] thread, Center Street in Harbin is quite beautiful; cobblestone road, lovely russian buildings, ie., loads of character.

A rule was made restricting the height of new buildings to 4 stories to preserve the look and feel of the street; a good move in my opinion. However, one comapany built a building 5 stories high, and when the local council objected, simply threw their hands in the air as if to say "well it is finished now. What do you want us to do?"

The council left quietly and contacted the local army depot who came into the city one evening and "removed" the ofending floor overnight. Next day it was as if it were never there. Problem Solved!

Never underestimate the power of a determined political power.

Onya
Woz (going back to sleep now)

henki




msg:800379
 11:44 am on Nov 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Rencke are you telling me that you are listed under that search? That is great. If you have not translated your link to chinese, I take it you got in via a mass submit somewhere. And you cant remember where, right?

So you where submitted to them and an editor found your site to be worthy to be included.

The fact that the South African embassy in Switzerland is listed shows that the editors have a problem to distinguish between Switzerland and Sweden or even SA. That is not so strange. :)
Thanks for being there Woz!

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