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Site map....SPAM ?
Is site map considered as a Spamm in AltaVista ???
Sujith173




msg:791339
 8:01 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am trying to create a simple site map(html) for my site.
But according to Spam policy in [laisha.com...]
Its says pages that contain only links to other pages is considered as spamming.
Is it true ?
:I am confused:

 

backus




msg:791340
 9:46 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

No, that's not true IMO. I have promoted plenty of sites, all of whom do pretty well in AV, and all have site maps.

diddlydazz




msg:791341
 10:16 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

<<-- Its says pages that contain only links to other pages is considered as spamming.

As Backus has said, I have never had any problems with AV for using site maps, and I don't think Laisha was referring to sitemaps.

Laisha may come and clear it up ;)

But no sitemaps SHOULDN't BE a problem in AV.

Dazz

Brett_Tabke




msg:791342
 10:18 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

That is a direct quote from altas webmaster manual.
[help.altavista.com...]

Woz




msg:791343
 10:50 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

>pages that contain only links to other pages

Which means Directories are ... ???

Some of my sites are pure directories with no content other than themed links. These seem to have no problems with SE's, including AV.

I think the deciding factor here might be the ration of linkt to other text. IE., if the page were only links with no other info/code at all, no formatting, no text, nothing, then that could be argued as being spam.

However a page with site-consistant formatting including an what we all know to be a site map would probably not raise alarm bells - in my opinion.

Onya
Woz

backus




msg:791344
 10:59 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think they mean link pages. I.E. Link Pop pages.

glengara




msg:791345
 11:07 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'd imagine either using link text or a short description would overcome that one.

Even breaking them down into categories with a text heading may do at a pinch.

Sujith173




msg:791346
 11:12 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thank you all!!
:)
But my site map would contain the categories and the sub categories of my entire site.
If U click on any of them U wud be taken to take particular page.
So of course this page(site map) will not contain any other material....Just links.
Is that allowed in AV??

Sujith173




msg:791347
 11:16 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

But according to Woz...This wont do.
Is that ??

backus




msg:791348
 11:19 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

It should be all right. Sounds the same as mine.

diddlydazz




msg:791349
 11:19 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Why don't you go to altavista and look at your competitors sites and some other top ranking sites of various different keywords and SEE if they have a sitemap ?

Also see how they done it and also check for meta tags.

This is probably the most definitive way.

Dazz

Sujith173




msg:791350
 11:46 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thank you Dazz!!
The problem I am facing is despite of all the correct Optimization...My site isnt ranked in a good position.
I am doing good in all other SEs.
I have compared my site with all other top ranked sites.
But the sites which come up in the top positions are so irrelevant.
that too just a category of there sites compete my whole site.
How does this happens?
What else should I do?
:)

Sujith173




msg:791351
 11:49 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Travoli can You help ??

diddlydazz




msg:791352
 11:53 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

unfortunately AV is not the most relevant SE, thats why it is having problems getting traffic.

Hopefully they don't go down the pan all together, but you would be wise to keep other more important engines in mind, for instance Google loves sitemaps.

Dazz

Sujith173




msg:791353
 11:59 am on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Site map is being introduced in our site for maily Google.
In altavista we r 14th..we need to get up as all try to do.
I know that AV isnt that gr8 of a SE but it comes in the top 10 Engines where we get traffic from.
Any ways...thankx for the answers.
:)

Crazy_Fool




msg:791354
 12:01 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

if you're worried about a particular page being classed as spam, then why not simply use the meta robots tags to prevent it being indexed? that way, people can use the site map and you shouldn't get penalised for spamming.

i'd also say make sure other pages on the site link to the site map - that way, the site map becomes part of the site rather than some sort of doorway page which could be classed as spam.

i'd also go along with the suggestion of text on the page - maybe a very brief description of each page?

Sujith173




msg:791355
 12:09 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Crazy_Fool...
I think U didnt read my previous answer.
I am introducing site map mainly for Google.
If I have to use Robot tags then how will the page be indexed by the google spider ?

Yeah!! I can include text for the links.
that can be done.
Thankx!!

Laisha




msg:791356
 12:14 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

As Brett pointed out, this is taken directly from their FAQs.

AV says that these are reasons that AV may block a site. I have several pages which are categorized links to other sites, and those have always done well.

Notice that some of the criteria mentioned can only be discerned by manual viewing of the site, for instance pages with off-topic or excessive keywords.
My guess is that these reasons are used in specific cases, i.e., when there is a complaint.

However, AltaVista generates such a small percentage of traffic that I honestly don't worry about it.

Sujith173




msg:791357
 12:20 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thankx Laisha for coming!!
In Ur site :
[laisha.com...]
U said "pages that contain only links to other pages;"
under the Spam Policy...
Can U be more Open in that??

Crazy_Fool




msg:791358
 12:26 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Crazy_Fool...
>>I think U didnt read my previous answer.
>>I am introducing site map mainly for Google.

that's probably because i was writing my message at the time you posted yours! (2 minutes time difference)

>>If I have to use Robot tags then how will the page be
>>indexed by the google spider ?

<meta name="robots" content="NOINDEX"> should still allow googlebot to follow the links on the page without indexing the page ...

Crazy_Fool




msg:791359
 12:36 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Thankx Laisha for coming!!
>>In Ur site :
>>http://www.laisha.com/altavista.html
>>U said "pages that contain only links to other pages;"
>>under the Spam Policy...

if you have a page on your site with outbound links to other parts of your site but no inbound links from the rest of your site, then that is generally deemed to be a "doorway" page. search engines ban doorway pages or sites that use doorway pages. google in particular makes it very clear that if you have a page on your site with no inbound links to it, then it will not be indexed.

i would say if you make the site map an integral part of your site (ie, have every page on your site linking to the site map) then you shouldn't have any problems. the very worst that could happen would be for google to drop your site - i don't think it will happen - but if it does, remove the site map and google should relist your site.

you might want to check google for other sites with a site map - i see 5.1 million results. [google.com...]
looks like it's ok to me.

you originally mentioned altavista. the following worldwide search from the uk gives me 10481889 results
[uk.altavista.com...]
looks like it's ok with altavista as well.

you might also want to check the google forum for more specific information about google.

Sujith173




msg:791360
 12:44 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oops!Stupid of me!!
Sorry for the Question I put up for Laisha...I know that it comes Directly from Altavista's FAQ.
I wanted to ask "Can anybody explain that ?"
;)

Sujith173




msg:791361
 1:05 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thank you Crazy_Fool.
:)

Travoli




msg:791362
 1:42 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Travoli can You help ??

Sorry to be late to the thread, Sujith173. I was out of town last week.

Welcome to Webmasterworld! Looks like you got lots of help from the experts. Anything not cleared up yet? We are happy to help.

Sujith173




msg:791363
 2:25 pm on Apr 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thank you Travoli for the Concern.
Members here r Very freindly and Heplful and I must add they are very intelligent.
I got most of the things clear.
But I would like to have Ur opinion too.
Thankx.
:)

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