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Hobby vs. Business
living the .com or just a hobby.
EliteWeb




msg:783841
 10:44 pm on Feb 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Quick survey, I'd like to know who here lives by web design/seo (pays the bills) vs. spare money or hobby.

I incorporated my business back in the day, heheh ya .COM is on the incorporation name too! But I feel I have not done my fullest extent on making it a true business. I do web site design on the side and SEO work as consultant yet I havn't made it my full time job. Any tips on getting past the barrier of a hobby to a living? that goes for any business I guess. :)~

 

oilman




msg:783842
 10:52 pm on Feb 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Any tips on getting past the barrier of a hobby to a living?

quit your day job :)

I got laid off from a dotcom and my 'hobby' became my 'living' in a big hurry.

pmac




msg:783843
 10:52 pm on Feb 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't do SEO for a living, but I make half my income from the web.........The other half I don't make. :)

Shane




msg:783844
 10:59 pm on Feb 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am very new to this area and would like to know how profitable it is as well. It is very interesting, but, does it pay the bills?

..... Shane

lawman




msg:783845
 11:31 pm on Feb 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>quit your day job

Oilman, you are able to sum up the wisdom of the ages in four words - and it applies to any field of endeavor.

Reminds me of the difference between involvement and commitment. The chicken that provides the eggs for a ham and egg breakfast is involved. But that hog, well, he's committed.

Three years ago I left the largest lawfirm of its type in the state of Georgia. I had several partners. The senior partner was a major rainmaker; I was involved but not committed.

I opened practice in a different town - had no partners, no secretary, no website, and no business. But I had everything on the line; I had gone from being involved to being committed. I hired an ad agency, hired a secretary and trained her, started a website, worked my rearend off, and am now making as much as I did as I did as a partner in the firm.

If your entire financial well-being depends on you, you'd be amazed at how sharp you mind gets and how well you can perform.

Lawman

WebGuerrilla




msg:783846
 12:15 am on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>quit your day job

I couldn't agree more.

The only thing that will turn it into a living, is having to rely on it to live.

click watcher




msg:783847
 12:16 am on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

agree with oilman and lawman and nike.inc - just do it!!

there's an old adage ...

neccessity is the great inventor

plus my personal experience is that poverty is a great motivator!!!

Shane




msg:783848
 12:59 am on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Okay, okay, the pig is committed, but let's ask the question the other way around ..... how many people here have this is a profitable sideline on top of another job ??? Anyone ?

GWJ




msg:783849
 7:03 pm on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

how many people here have this is a profitable sideline on top of another job ???

I have a day job as a LAN Admin. I also have one ecomm site up for the last two years. I am starting another one in the next few months. I have done several complete sites but have delt with only flat smaller sites in this area. I have done some minimal SEO also on the side. Pays the car payment here and there so I'm happy.

Brian

JonB




msg:783850
 7:22 pm on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

well, i dont have job (stil studying :) but I earn from web, like 3 times average paycheck in Slovenia ,making me quite rich :))) Not web design/SEo though. I would like to work as web designer but i dont have the guts to be SEO. What if my clients get banned? DSite doesnt score? I have admiration for those who have b*lls to go on that risk. I guess it msut be good paycheck.:)

On net it is easy to get moeny BUT on net i dont see NO GUARANTEE whatsoever that maybe tommorrow you are GONE. That is why i would do web full time only if i laid off from job

So sicne i make more than enough money for living and have no other job but i do it as hobby since i study what is this? Hobby or full time/living?

ggrot




msg:783851
 7:30 pm on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

SEO pays for all my living costs at college. Not enough to cover tuition as well yet, but everything else pretty much. I get a comfy development job over the summer breaks as well so I should have all my loans paid off the day I graduate. Considering my living costs are about to include recreational pilot lessons, which will fit into the budget, I think thats pretty good.

Vishal




msg:783852
 8:08 pm on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

for me SEO pays my living.

1) My New Car
2) House
3) Office
4) Trip to Europre and Asia (Back home to India)
5) College fees.
6) all other expense !!!
...........

And lot more. Hope this will motivate you to do SEO work on full time basis.

mark_roach




msg:783853
 9:14 pm on Feb 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Going to buck the trend slightly here. Don't quit your day job just yet.

If you have the time to continue your SEO work as a hobby, then keep it as a hobby. When you start running out of that time, then think about going for it full time.

The people here telling you to quit your day job are the winners, the ones who have made it work - Well done to them.

But where are the ones who have failed, the ones who will give you a balanced view ?

They are back in their 9-5s and they don't read here anymore :)

If you bear with me, I will bore you with my story.

2.5 years ago I ended my regular job and embarked on a new venture. I worked 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week for 6 months and then the cash ran out. I had to return to my 9-5, but I kept the most promising of my sites going.

Most of my spare time is spent looking after this site, but there is no pressure on it to make money. It easily covers the hosting fees, and recently has started to turn a reasonable profit.

My current full-time 9-5 contract ends in a couple of months and I am now at the point again when I am considering giving my site my full time attention once more. But I am very hesitant, I am sure a good deal of the success of my site can be attributed to the fact that it doesn't need to make me money. I don't need to charge exhorbitant fees or make endless sales to cover my living expenses - if someone sends me cash great, if not no problem.

What I guess I am trying to say is don't force it unless you have to, build your business and your reputation slowly. When you are snowed under with work offers, then go for it full-time.

Unless of course, like me, you are bored sh*tless with your 9-5 :)

isarrealwb




msg:783854
 4:42 am on Feb 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

We are a web design and development firm. We also provide application development for database driven web sites. Our firm is a full time business with 10 technologist. We are located in a great office in Old Town Pasadena.

Our client list include 2 of the major entertainment studio, top hotel and several major financial firm in Los Angeles.

Quit your job, pound the pavement, create a great website with in-depth content, and provide outstanding service.

But most of all - as Winston Churchill stated, "Never, Never, Give In, Never, Never."

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