| 10:30 pm on Nov 30, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Well, with web designers you'd ask to see sites they've designed in the past... a portfolio, as it were.
| 10:33 pm on Nov 30, 2001 (gmt 0)|
do a search on one of the SE's
| 10:51 pm on Nov 30, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I've tried that but I come up with some real shady characters, with no real trackrecord that would show me something.
What are your past clients?
Pepsi? that would be great .. that's the sort of clients I want to hear about ...
| 10:59 pm on Nov 30, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>Pepsi? that would be great
hehehe - not a very competitve term. ;)
Take a look at some of the more competitve terms for some indications.
| 11:11 pm on Nov 30, 2001 (gmt 0)|
This is sort of a conundrum. If one did work for a fortune 500 company but through a contractor it is useless as a reference. The people who are best at optimizing aren't going to be the best at sales, so they team up with organizations who then get the credit for the work.
The flip side of that is that the company who gets to use the reference may not really know what they are doing.
| 12:27 am on Dec 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
The other problem with a Fortune 500 reference is you can't use them as a reference. Our Fortune 500 clients have a non-disclosure clause in the contract so we cannot discuss their promotion with prospective clients, current clients or anyone for that matter.
| 12:54 am on Dec 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Working for those kinds of companies only means one thing: nothing.
Success with more difficult keywords doesn't equate to being able to mix and mingle with a bunch of stiffs in suits, and the reverse is also true. Just because I've worked, or anyone else here, with 'big companies' doesn't mean we're any good.
It's the success that matters, with the little guy as much as the 800 pound gorrilllila. :)
Besides, if they tout those as references, chances are they'll charge more, and not even deliver. Get examples, and references. If those work out, you've picked a winner.
| 3:19 pm on Dec 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Andrea is right about some companies not being able to use Fortune 500 references, it's common practice.
I didn't really think about that, but I guess that might explain why some SEO's don't have to high level of a client list.
| 7:10 pm on Dec 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Little's and abertone's comments are right on the money. Most of the large agencies that handle the big players are fairly strict about not allowing their contractors to mention publicly who they work for.
Another thing to consider is that many conpanies do not disclose client lists because it's not a very bright thing to do from a competitve standpoint. I can't begin to tell you the kind of competitve advantages I've been able to gain over the years simply by doing some digging into other seo firm's client lists.
However, most companies that don't list clients for either reason will provide examples/references to a new perspective client if the feel they are a legit. The thing to keep in mind is that if a firm can't talk about clients they work for because of some type of agency contract, then they probablly have a steady flow of regular business, so they tend to not be real motivated to jump through hoops to attract brand new clients.
That means that you won't get the info your looking off their web site, and you probably won't get it with a quick "who do you work for and what do you charge?"type phone call, but you can get it.
I'd also have to say that using who ranks well for "search engine optimization" probably isn't the best way either. In most cases, not ranking for the core industry terms doesn't have anything to do with lack of skills. It really is more about chosing the most effective ways to build a business.
I have always personally looked at it from the perspective that the time/money available for promotion is limited. I can either spend it treating myself as a client, or I can focus my efforts on doing things like landing a speaking gig at a conference of web designers who specialize in flash development.
One method is the equivalant of shooting fish in a barrel, while the other is the equivlant of being one of 500 actors who shows up at a cattle call audition. :)
| 8:02 pm on Dec 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Client lists of other seo's WebGuerrilla? That's actually a good suggestion.
It doesn't take rocket science sometimes, and tells you a lot about the firm...if you can track them, so can their competitors, which sometimes is a very, very bad thing. Other times, it can confirm what you already know: they are good at what they do.
There are some tools at Searchengineworld that help with this kind of thing, and if you look at cgi-fun.hypermart.net/ ( the site in littleman's profile) it's got a lot of tools that will help you track down who's who in the SEO biz. I used to have quite a list of stuff, but I don't do that kind of thing anymore. Gets boring, and the best work is never identifiable.
| 8:05 pm on Dec 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Go with the un-reputable ones, it's about traffic not powerpoint presentations.