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Organized crime and the Web
europeforvisitors




msg:782089
 5:24 pm on Feb 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Call this a crackpot hypothesis if you want, but is it possible that organized crime is trying to control (or at least profit from) the Web?

IMHO, the idea doesn't seem so far-fetched. Take a few hundred thousand bucks from a stash of drug or gambling proceeds, hire a few good programmers and an SEO, and flood the Web with millions of made-for-AdSense "scraper" pages, script-generated affiliate pages, ersatz "review" sites, and so forth. Bingo! The profits pour in, and they're all "legitimate." No need to break kneecaps, risk a jail sentence, or hide your identity from a state gaming commission. Just sit back and let Google, Yahoo, and MSN be your runners. With an opportunity like that, who needs extortion rackets or illegal numbers games?

 

dauction




msg:782090
 5:36 pm on Feb 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Absolutely - This has been my main complaint about a the leading directory ..so much so I directed the FBI to this directory many months back..

ken_b




msg:782091
 5:46 pm on Feb 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Geeze EFV, it sounds like you need a vacation.... maybe a nice trip through Europe.

There will always be those who see an "opportunity" for profit and take ...ummmm... aggressive advantage ....of it.

Controling such is the job of the search engines I believe.

diamondgrl




msg:782092
 7:13 pm on Feb 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV, I think it's a stretch although there are very shady characters that lurk in the web world. And I would not be surprised if organized crime got involved in phishing.

dauction, do you mean "a leading directory" or "the leading directory"? If the latter, I'm not sure how much luck you're going to have in getting the FBI interested in your organized crime concerns about Yahoo.

Matt Probert




msg:782093
 7:14 pm on Feb 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Who do you think founded Las Vegas?

Oragnised crime is a grey area. Many legitimate companies indulge in highly illegal activities, usually tax evasion, but also insider dealing and other less savoury pastimes.

So in short, no I don't think that "Al Capone" and his ancestors are taking over the web with Adsense scraper sites!

Matt

europeforvisitors




msg:782094
 8:00 pm on Feb 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Geeze EFV, it sounds like you need a vacation.... maybe a nice trip through Europe.

Well, there is a thread on this forum titled "Should I charge a kill fee for a large Website?" So who's imagining things? :-)

dauction




msg:782095
 3:39 pm on Feb 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

diamond girl - not talking about Yahoo.. Yahoo is a business that charges for listings and are free to list anyway and anyone they like.

Not easy for organized Crime to control that traffic in that situation

but with a volunteer directory it is easy to get your Family of associates involved and direct millions of visitors and hundreds of million in business to where ever you want it.

Ask any Prison Guard who runs the prisons

rocknbil




msg:782096
 6:14 pm on Feb 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

My buddy Guido has a website see . . . an' you's gonna stop by and buy some widgets from him see . . . 'cause he got da' best widgets an' if'n you's doa'n tink so you's might trip over one 'a dose, whada ya' call 'em, URL thingies, an break a link or somethin' see . . . cuz' we all know how buyin' your widgets from da' wrong website can make you's prone ta' accidents, right buddy?

The previous is in no way irreverent to anyone named Guido . . .

minnapple




msg:782097
 2:17 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hit fee for killing rankings on a web site.
There is a group that knows how.
I am sure the pay off is high.
I would hate to be contracted to do this.
Once your "in" it would not be easy to get "out".

walkman




msg:782098
 2:32 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

that sounds like something organized crime could do. especially when someone considers holding the passwords or sabotage the site, even though they got paid

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"Well, there is a thread on this forum titled "Should I charge a kill fee for a large Website?" So who's imagining things? :-)"

walrus




msg:782099
 2:37 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmmmmm...
porn, gambling, drugs...all popular online
I agree with EFV,
not control but profit,
they are probably already in like flint.

incrediBILL




msg:782100
 2:50 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

but is it possible that organized crime is trying to control (or at least profit from) the Web

EFV, read some internet news, it's not only possible organized crime is at work, it's being reported all the time. Most of what I read claims organized crime was behind some of the latest password sniffing and credit card phishing scams including custom written viruses and trojans now infecting people's machines for a variety of purposes. Some suspect them behind the rash of DDoS extortion attempts on the payment processors the FBI was looking into recently.

So racking up a bunch of made for AdSense sites to pocket free cash would not only make sense, they may be members of WebmasterWorld and asking our help to do it :)

What the heck, a stretch limo and thug are at the curb, I hear a knock at my door .....

ddent




msg:782101
 11:32 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have been approached on numerous occasions by people wanting to know how to, uh, make sites... disappear. Either just from the SERPS or entirely.

It is not always the most comfortable of situations :).

larryhatch




msg:782102
 2:24 pm on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think the traditional or stereotypical organized crimer would
find the Internet well outside of their "comfort zone".

The net requires a lot of highly technical knowledge and capabilities
that they are not exactly famous for.

However, nothing stops them from hiring 'brains' on the cheap, eager kids especially.
I would very carefully avoid anyone who wants you to make sites "disappear".

These guys are control freaks, understandably paranoid about anything
they don't understand.
If anything goes 'wrong', just guess who takes the blame.

If somebody asked me to make a site 'disappear' I would
simply explain that I didn't know how to do it. -Larry

Essex_boy




msg:782103
 12:01 am on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

The net requires a lot of highly technical knowledge and capabilities
that they are not exactly famous for. - More graduates are involved in organised crime than in the police force of the UK.

However I can be persuaded to see your point of view without a horses head appearing.

walkman




msg:782104
 1:01 am on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

care to define Mafia then? It's not just Anthony or Vincenzo doing this stuff. You're talking plenty of Eastern European groups, and even if the old timers aren't sophisticated, they can always pay or force nerds to do that for them. The Mafia will go where ever there's money to be made illegally. Here's a perfect example: [mobmagazine.com...]

"The net requires a lot of highly technical knowledge and capabilities that they are not exactly famous for. - More graduates are involved in organised crime than in the police force of the UK."

ddent




msg:782105
 5:09 am on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

"If somebody asked me to make a site 'disappear' I would simply explain that I didn't know how to do it. -Larry"

A convenient way of dealing with the issue, unfortunately most of the people who know me are well aware that it would be quite within my capabilities. Which is why I think the distinction between what I could do and what I will do becomes important.

twist




msg:782106
 6:00 pm on Mar 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe it's not the mob we need to be worried about but gangs. The westcoast Bits looking to take territory from the eastcost Chips. I think 110010 Cent is behind some of it and those blue guys from Intel aren't afraid to show what color they represent.

rocknbil




msg:782107
 8:06 pm on Mar 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Man, and those Silicone Vally Boyz, whew . . . they steal your apples and throw them at windows. Brutal!

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