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Someone taking credit for my work
obisghost




msg:782128
 6:04 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

I found a website on which one of my websites is listed under their folio.

They have had no connection with the development of my site...ever...period.

I have asked them to remove the site from their folio - several months later they have not.

They are in Ireland - I am in Australia - what can I do?

Should I just get over it?

 

Mark_A




msg:782129
 6:54 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

While I am sure it has rightly got your hackles up I am not sure that the competitive effect of this will be very great.

IS the irish company claiming they did what you did? or perhaps they may have advised the client on something else? or perhaps are they contacting the same target companies for work in which case it may be more of a problem.

Have you spoken to them, is there a logical explanation?

Is there a trading standards organisation in Ireland you could address a complaint to about this?

Hope some idea may help you.

dmorison




msg:782130
 7:05 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Use referrer checking in .htaccess and serve up a really amateur looking FrontPage 98 special complete with clashing color scheme and <marquee> tags for referrals from their site.

Terrier




msg:782131
 8:45 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Brilliant Idea dmorison.
And don’t forget those missing images,

PCInk




msg:782132
 8:53 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

And make sure that you have a copyright or designed by message at the bottom of every page, including your name/company name.

It's probably not a trading standards issue. Ireland must have some kind of advertising standards agency that regulates which adverts are allowed and which are not. It may be part of trading standards, it could be a separate organisation.

[edited by: PCInk at 8:55 am (utc) on Nov. 28, 2003]

Yidaki




msg:782133
 8:54 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

>They are in Ireland - I am in Australia - what can I do?

Spend yer next Holidays in Ireland ...?

These chaps might be happy to pay you the trip after you talked to them face-2-face.

PCInk




msg:782134
 9:02 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>> And don’t forget those missing images

ROFL, and the "site designed for Internet Explorer 4.6, 32000 colours, 512x480 resolution, site designed by <their_company>" message too. And the "please download Internet Explorer 4.6" message and a link to Microsoft!

Actually, although it looks like a joke, it could well turn out to be quite funny.

But on a serious note, you could simply check the referrer and forward them to a warning page on the client's site in their standard format that (carefully) indicates that some companies are claiming this work is their own, but is not. Then ask the visitor to note the copyright message/designed for message at the bottom of each page.

That may look more professional and may not damage your client's reputation either, an important consideration.

mikejson




msg:782135
 9:10 pm on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

I would definiately go with the later soluton offered, it is really easy to check the refering address and report that you are the actual creator. I would also go with putting your "seal" on all further web development you and your company puts out. Just something small in the bottom that would link to a page about you and possibly some advertisement. Most smaller company's don't have much of a problem doing this, and if your work is good enough, the largers won't care, they'll just want you to do the work at any cost :)

Hawkgirl




msg:782136
 3:32 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

We had someone take credit for the design of one of our sites when clearly, he had nothing to do with it.

However, we knew the guy and we knew his capabilities weren't that great. So we didn't do anything about it, because we figured that sooner or later, if someone hired him on the basis of stolen stuff in his portfolio, it'd come back to haunt him when he couldn't deliver that quality of work.

I'd try not worry too much about it, if I were you. :)

Slone




msg:782137
 4:25 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Right on Hawkgirl... I found my work in a “web designers” portfolio and asked for them to remove it please - only once. No reply to the letter... I figured the same thing. Leave it... It will come around to bite them later.

If someone is willing to stoop to the low level of Portfolio-jacking then they won’t stop there… Site-jacking websites to sell to their clients is probably on their list as well.

People like that are not worth the time of day IMHO.

Shane




msg:782138
 8:17 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)


You may want to inform the client so if they ever get a strange call asking about the XYZ design firm that did their web-site they will know to give them the real scoop.

Kinda sets a trap door for them and costs very little timewise.

..... Shane

anallawalla




msg:782139
 1:40 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

The referrer checking idea is the best one. I am undecided between placing a large sign saying something strong in the Irish vernacular to the effect that your site was designed by <whoever> and nobody else, and the FrontPage 97 idea.

Or treat the page as your daily entertainment and rotate all kinds of content on it until the losers at AS find an easier target.

One has to wonder, though, out of 5B web sites, why did they choose you?

Ash

mikejson




msg:782140
 7:45 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

they chose you cause yours was the best?

Always answer your question with confidence :)
Yours stood out above the rest, and they wanted to take the best for them to look the best.

I would personally take anybody coming from his site to a page advertising your web business hehe, then under that explaining what has happened to their connection, and some type of click through to the site indented.

DebbieG




msg:782141
 5:43 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

You can go to dotster.com and look to see who owns that domain name and call him or her up, you can also look there and find out where they biy their ftp space from and call that company to file a complaint. If the person has any advertising on their site, you can let them know you will complain to their affiliate programs and with all of this, if the person does not get your work taken out of their resume, they are brain dead. Good luck!

Debbie

obisghost




msg:782142
 12:12 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all the feedback people. Some really nice revenge fodder there.

I have pretty much resolved to let it slide. We have redesigned our website now so there is even less connection to the wa*ker in question.

Ultimately I was just frustrated that I couldn't pop around the corner in person and tell him to take it down. I'm not losing any business or work.

Maybe it's a compliment... or maybe he just picked a site that was very far away from him so there could be no reprisals.

In any case, my favourite suggestion is to take a trip to Ireland some time in the near future - always wanted to go there anyway.

oim comin' paddy. oim comin' t' git ye.

nahdoic




msg:782143
 12:27 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

I stickymailed obisghost to get a little more info as I am from Dublin (and so is this person).

I can guarantee you that this person is still living at home with his parents. If you ring the landline number given on the contact page (not the mobile) and ask to speak to Mr. or Mrs. Warren. You can ask his parents if they would ask their son to remove the page from his website.

[edited by: nahdoic at 12:35 am (utc) on Dec. 8, 2003]

obisghost




msg:782144
 12:33 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

ha ha.

Funny thing was the way we found out about him. The owner of the other website in his folio contacted us trying to find him. I think they were a legitimate client of his.

He's a shady lad - even his clients can't pin him down.

The more I think about it the funnier it gets. I should thank him for the laughs I guess.

nahdoic




msg:782145
 12:36 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Maybe you should offer your services to his one-and-only-and-not-for-long client :)

obisghost




msg:782146
 5:39 am on Dec 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

that my friend is a fine idea!

macneil




msg:782147
 9:05 am on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was getting huge hits on some of the images on a few of my websites once and traced them down to a web design wannabe on EBAY. He not only used my images as his own, he did not have the smarts to copy them, rather he just linked to them.
I did this: I changed the name of the images on my websites and I redid the ones he had linked to. They were .gifs so I made animations that flashed 4 or 5 frames and they said:
I am a thief
I steal material
I am a scammer
You cannot trust me
It didn't take him long to gt the picture ....... or should I say get his own pictures!

cazgh




msg:782148
 9:12 am on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

He He

I did that once, made myself a nice banner advertisement for the website the image was stolen from - free advertising for me - and it soon got removed from the website!

obisghost




msg:782149
 11:13 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

ha ha! that's fantastic.

Gramme




msg:782150
 4:31 pm on Dec 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Lot's of good ideas.

But have you considered just taking it as a compliment? They are too far away to steal your clients or something like that.

Besides, You are in OZ and they are in Ireland. Isn't that punishment enough for them?

:D

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