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Datacenter Watch: 2006-07-04
funandgames

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Msg#: 35100 posted 6:18 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In doing searches for topics that I am interested in, but unrelated to my sites, I have noticed it takes longer to find good pages. Just a year or so ago, I could find four to eight good web pages on the first page. Now, sometimes I find one or none on the first page. Some keyword phrases are so bad they have been literally crippled to search with.

This is not really Google's fault. The web is just getting littered with all kinds of 'high tech' tricky stuff to make web sites easily and get traffic quickly. I assume this is to make a quick buck. A real driving force is the fact that people can put pay-per-click ads on their very own sites for free. These types of ads, such as Google's own Adsense is a great idea, but there is bound to be a downside to every new thing.

I am sure Google is trying hard to fix these problems because I am seeing different results every few weeks or so for the same search phrases. The phrases I check the most are ones that bring my own web sites up on the first page. This way I can tell how much of my traffic is coming from the search engines.

Luckily my web sites rank pretty much the same, but the other sites that are ranked above and below mine keep changing. Some sites that are ranked near mine help my traffic while others don't. It seems that since there are so many 'trick' sites showing up, that it can be good for you to be next to one. People will notice it is crappy and then visit yours and realize it is better and bookmark it and come back again later.

With the amount of web pages growing fast and the amount of 'quick buck' folks showing up, this situation can only get harder for Google to handle, but imaging having a slew of crap pages all around your listing? Your quality listing will show up very well and your will get higher quality traffic and possibly more of it.

Google is looking into a way to 'register' your domains with them and give you an ever growing 'boost' in ranking for registering as the system grows and matures. The 'bad folks' can then easily be tracked and removed for breaking ethical rules in web design to cheat their way to the top. If these pesky folks decide not to register to 'hide' from Google, then there rankings will start to suffer as legit registered sites get ranked higher. It is like a hybrid of a search engine and a directory.

As for these latest changes. Lots of movement has taken place. My site is the only one that hasn&#8217;t moved on this update. Every other site has moved and a few new ones added. It saddens me to see that a few 'quick buck' sites are now on the same page as mine. But, like I mentioned above, this isn't always a bad thing. I wont be able to tell if it helps my site for a week or so. Sometimes these neighbors of mine can have a huge impact on my traffic from the Google search pages!

Another thing that I have noticed over the past few years is that more and more of the best quality traffic to my sites comes from links on other sites. Google's search pages only provide about 15% of the income earning traffic to my sites. If you 'lose' a ranking on the Google pages, that may not affect your income at all. Get links from other sites similar to yours and watch your quality traffic grow. Trust me it works. I have been doing it for years. People have even said that if you get links Google will actually place your pages higher on theirs! A double bonus in my book!

Besides those links from other sites, add two or three pages per day with information about your topic. These pages will get indexed very fast and other sites will link to the pages. Make sure people can get to the main part of your site from each new page you make. I have read in this forum that adding new pages not only brings links, but once again, Google will move your site above the others just for adding new pages all the time. You don&#8217;t need to add more then two or three a day though. If you run out of subjects start to branch out. Don't write anything boring. People will leave and will forget about the site and wont link to it. Boring things include sales tactics or repeating the same thing over.

On bad thing about making the site with article pages is that you will get TONS of email from sites trying to swap links! It is a royal pain and you should prepare for it. Ironically, most of these people write web sites that try to make a quick buck! (See Above) Someone said that linking to some of these sites will get you ignored by Google! Do not answer these emails and do not swap links! Don't let these bad guys stop you from adding to your site. Also be ready for bad guys that want to buy links from you. Google might ignore you if you link to them. I am not sure if Google is trying to keep these crappy sites from getting links, but the less they have, the less people that will visit them and they will give up an go away! We can only hope.

In the time some of us spend checking the Google data servers, we could have written one good article on our very own site.

Good luck with your web site...

[edited by: tedster at 1:57 am (utc) on July 7, 2006]

 

Martin40

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Msg#: 35100 posted 8:49 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

So did MC's check your sites blog refer to 6/27? Maybe he was just irritated by some emails he got, and reacted to that.

tflight

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Msg#: 35100 posted 8:52 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've noticed a few other odd things happen today. My site is still suffering in the SERPs along with everyone else since 6/27. If I search "site:www.example.com" my homepage is still missing. Here is where things get weird.

If I search for "http://www.example.com/" my homepage shows as being cached. If I view the cache the AdSense ads are all completely unrelated to my site. However if I enter any other URI from my site and view the cache the AdSense ads shown are appropriate to the content of that page.

Something else odd... When I logged into my sitemaps account yesterday it said the last time Googlebot had accessed my homepage was on July 5. Yet today when I logged into my sitemaps account it says the last time Googlebot accessed my homepage was June 30. Maybe I've just never noticed before... but I've never seen the "last accessed" date in sitemaps go backwards.

arubicus

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Msg#: 35100 posted 9:00 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

"but I've never seen the "last accessed" date in sitemaps go backwards."

I have a few times but I thought I was just going insane.

sandpetra

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Msg#: 35100 posted 10:55 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing something quite strange. From nowhere my site has entered the serps first page for "blue widgets" out of over a billion results - which is nice.

But on on my default UK dc.

One minute it's there - the next it's not. Then it's there...you get the idea.

I have done the search on Mcdar - and I'm nowhere on any dc.

What's happening?

arubicus

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Msg#: 35100 posted 11:00 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

"What's happening?"

Google is probably just burping, coughing, sneezing, and farting at the same time again. Heck who knows what else is happening over there!

[edited by: arubicus at 11:07 pm (utc) on July 7, 2006]

bontar

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Msg#: 35100 posted 11:06 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now we know that it exists an algorithm that was refreshed with data. Or maybe it is that some data was refreshed by an algorithm that exists. Also, it could be that existing data refreshed an algorithm.

That's pretty clear that Matt doesn't know / is not allowed to / doesn't want to explain what really happened.

maurizio63

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Msg#: 35100 posted 11:15 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts: "the change went through evaluation just like any other change and showed a positive improvement."

M3Guy

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Msg#: 35100 posted 11:18 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Great, so what he's actually done is fed us more G BS

>>>I beleive

Oh please, he knows exactly whats going on, he just doesn't want to, or he's not allowed to, go in to detail coz he knows the results right now are *******.

And how can that be true, when there are least 4 or 5 different sets of data being found on different dc's and their all rubbish

It's about time he woke up, smelt the coffee and actually admited that they have f**ked up.

Here's a suggestion, turn the algo back to the 26th and not only make a lot of people very happy, but also provide a decent set of results.

That statement is absolute trash and if he's got any sense he'll come out and say so rather than hoping this issue will go away!

<language edited from actual thought process/>

RichTC

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Msg#: 35100 posted 11:26 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

"turn the algo back to the 26th"

Hope thats the 26th Feb!, All this lot started going pear shaped since the roll out of BD if you ask me!

arubicus

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Msg#: 35100 posted 12:05 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

I changed my mind and got rid of this post.

tiori

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Msg#: 35100 posted 12:33 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

"turn the algo back to the 26th"

They need to turn it back by a little over two years. Something like 26 Feb 2004. They have screwed with all of us for at least that long.

sandpetra

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Msg#: 35100 posted 1:18 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Isnt that part of the fun? Unless of course your making MFA sites!

steveb

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Msg#: 35100 posted 2:49 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Are you talking about the sector(s) you watch, or are you issuing here a general assessment for all sectors?"

I tend to talk about what I've seen rather than everything I've not seen...

The datacenters continue to show all manner of different weaknesses, while google.com continues only have the large problem of flaws resulting from google's screwups. (Google.de, google.fr and the others seem to have the same weak stuff rather than the stronger stuff first seen on comcast.)

Okay, the update of the past 36 hours or so weakened the results significantly in part because more pages have been lost, particularly (or maybe only) on hyphenated domains, but also due to an awful lot of new blog garbage appearing. If that sticks that won't be good, but its such junk it may not.

tigger

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Msg#: 35100 posted 6:38 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

>Isnt that part of the fun? Unless of course your making MFA sites!

No this inst fun and some of us don't make MFA sites some of us produce good content sites that have been dumped along with our incomes

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 35100 posted 7:53 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why would a data refresh cause sites to lose the homepage top on a site:domain.com check?

arubicus

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Msg#: 35100 posted 7:58 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Could the data have been bad or incomplete for some sites so that it does not display properly in the site command? That is...if what Matt said is the truth.

kidder

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Msg#: 35100 posted 8:45 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

arubicus - I think your pretty close to the money with that comment. I also think they know very well a batch of "brown" data has escaped into the live index. We still see some Google IP's reporting correctly when the site command is used, I can find at least 5 that report correctly so if this was a type of update I think now almost 2 weeks after these ok data centers would have also turned "brown". It looks like it's going to take a whole lot of crawling & caching before this turns itself around, I don't expect to wake up one day and find my sites back on top. Sadly.

tigger

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Msg#: 35100 posted 8:53 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

true, but I am starting to see a small recovery - just would be nice if the rollout moved a little faster

kidder

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Msg#: 35100 posted 9:04 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

tigger - if this is the case maybe sites with a higher PR will recover faster? I am seeing one PR6 that seems to be ranking again for some search terms although it is still upside down when you run the site: command...

arubicus

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Msg#: 35100 posted 9:10 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

" true, but I am starting to see a small recovery - just would be nice if the rollout moved a little faster "

I just want to see our complete site in the index having no issues and ranked based on actual merit and not lost because of bad screwed up incomplete data, hiccups, farts, vomit, and diarrhea Google has been plagued with.

[edited by: arubicus at 9:14 am (utc) on July 8, 2006]

arubicus

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Msg#: 35100 posted 9:12 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

"if this is the case maybe sites with a higher PR will recover faster? I am seeing one PR6 that seems to be ranking again for some search terms although it is still upside down when you run the site: command... "

That is if PR is being calculated and distributed properly despite the hiccups.

tigger

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Msg#: 35100 posted 9:14 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

kidder

Not from what I'm seeing I'm fortunate that I have a friend in the same market and we were both hit - his site is much older and has a stronger PR with considerably more pages index than me but I'm seeing a recovery across both sites

Confused - YEP!

steerpikegg

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Msg#: 35100 posted 10:05 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Without doubt the data on 64.233.189.107 seems to be by far the best in returning quality, relevant results.

Fingers crossed that this is the sign of things to come.

tigger

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Msg#: 35100 posted 10:11 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

you won't get any arguments from me on that

jetteroheller

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Msg#: 35100 posted 10:40 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Strange site:example.com listing at one of my influenced domains:

example.com/example.com/folder-name/index.htm
example.com/folder-name/example.com/folder-name/file-name.htm
example.com/folder-name/example.com/folder-name/file-name.htm
example.com/folder-name/example.com/folder-name/file-name.htm

All this 4 entries produced "Error 404 - file not found"

Place 5
example.com/index.htm

I wonder how the strange pathes from place 1..4 had been created.

jasonashby

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Msg#: 35100 posted 12:05 pm on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

If it was a roll back to 2004 like Matt said why is my site that was only created in late 2005 doing very well in the top 5 for most major keyords. Some with 10 millinon pages

subsia

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Msg#: 35100 posted 12:16 pm on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't really remember with all these changes.

Did the result on this DC 64.233.189.107 recover back since 27th or was it always like this?

tigger

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Msg#: 35100 posted 12:25 pm on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

I couldn't tell you if that DC has changed

Wibfision

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Msg#: 35100 posted 1:45 pm on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site is not really showing any signs of recovery as yet. However, I was <using an online tool> searching on one of my pre June 27th top keywords - and my pages appeared in the top ten again - on all the datacenters. Unfortunately, they disappeared again, just as quickly, going back down to position 300+.

I don't know what it is that Google are doing, but they are doing something, so don't give up hope ;-)

<See Forum Charter [webmasterworld.com]>

[edited by: tedster at 2:53 pm (utc) on July 8, 2006]

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 35100 posted 3:50 pm on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bang goes my hope that a fresh homepage cache would help the site:domain.com problem.

Just been updated to July 4th cache and still Google has the bug where it has internals first on a site:domain.com check.

tigger

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Msg#: 35100 posted 3:52 pm on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

show off I'm only 1st! Well it is the weekend Dayo ;0)

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