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How often is Page Rank updated?
Thaparian




msg:733609
 6:22 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

After how many months/days the google page rank of a webpage is updated.

About 6-7 pages ( With PR 2,3,4..) are linking to my new site launched on 28 june 2006.

But the PR is not updated yet still zero.

What to do?

Just wait.?

 

adamovic




msg:733610
 6:30 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

quoterly. Next update should be before August.

Thaparian




msg:733611
 6:37 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

You mean google updates PR after every 3 months?

Thaparian




msg:733612
 6:42 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I had an old blog with 3 PR , in that site i put 2 links to my new site with different preffixs.

The blog has only these two outlinks.

Also one link from a tri pod site with 2 PR.
(1 outlink)
and about 4-5 more sites with page ranks 0,2,3,4.
and 1-8 outlinks.

How much PR should i expect?

tedster




msg:733613
 8:58 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually, Google updates the "real" page rank continually - and it impacts the algorithm long before an update occurs for Toolbar Page Rank.

The amount of page rank voted to any given link also depends on how many total links are on the linking page. Plus, Google can decide that certain pages should not transfer any Page Rank at all. So predicting what the toolbar will tell you in the future involves pretty much guesswork.

Phil_Payne




msg:733614
 9:07 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

After how many months/days the google page rank of a webpage is updated.

Toolbar page rank? When global warming is replaced by the next ice age. It's of almost no use at all.

sandpetra




msg:733615
 9:56 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thaparian

Wouldnt expect more than a PR4.

Thaparian




msg:733616
 3:03 am on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

How much PR is required to get into top 20 results in google assuming " keyword optimization " to be average.

I am using meta tags on my web pages.

How many links does it take to get 5 PR?
Links for sites with 2-3 PR.

minnapple




msg:733617
 3:30 am on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you are looking for a toolbar update, it should happen within the next few weeks, based upon historical data.

There has been a limited toolbar update within the last few days.

In some cases, homepages with no direct inbounds have gone pr'0 while internal pages with inbounds have retained their Page Rank.

Soze




msg:733618
 4:39 am on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMO, it is updated constantly. In fact, I think the second the toolbar goes from n/a to 0, you have page rank of anywhere from 0-10. The number you get on the toolbar is not real time so it really doesn't matter. I've seen my friends new site say pr 0 and get top 5 on TONs of keywords.

If CNN wanted to, they could create pages and probably get top spots overnight if they wanted. They might say pr 0 but they most certainly wouldn't be.

Thaparian




msg:733619
 5:19 am on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

How many links does it take to get 5 PR?
Links for sites with 2-3 PR.

tedster




msg:733620
 5:59 am on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Questions about "how many links" are almost impossible to answer because of the way Page Rank calculation works -- the math behind is far from linear.

Here's a thread that took the Page Rank equation apart to a degree - perhaps it will help you understand why there is no easy answer for your question.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Wizard




msg:733621
 12:09 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Search Google for "pagerank update history" and you'll find information how often toolbar PR has been updated last years. Next update is likely to happen in July, but sometimes it takes significantly longer.

The difference between toolbar PR and real PR has been discussed here many times, including some confirmations from GoogleGuy, so just search for it.

As for how much PR is required to get into top 20, it completely depends from the keyphrase and number of competing pages. There are search phrases where PR0 is enough and phrases where PR10 is not. Just check PR of first 20 pages in SERPs for this particular keyphrase - it's not entirely reliable way, but will give some clue.

inbound




msg:733622
 12:23 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

As a rough guide (assumuing there is an exponential factor of 10 between PR levels) you can say that PR levels need a certain amount of PR 'points' passed to them from other pages:

PR1 needs 1 'points'
PR2 needs 10 'points'
PR3 needs 100 'points'
PR4 needs 1000 'points'
PR5 needs 10000 'points'

9The exponential nature of PR explains why getting to PR 9 and 10 is so tricky)

PR 'points'given out by a page, again this is a simple example, can be roughly calculated by dividing the above values by the number of outbound links.

e.g. a PR3 with 20 links gives 5 'points' to each page, this would move a page with no other inbound links to a PR1

Assuming that the pages that you get links from have an average of 20 links you would need 20,000 links from PR2 sites to get to a PR5. Likewise 2,000 links from PR3 sites would be required.

The good news is that you would only need 2 such links from PR6 sites to make it to PR5.

There are many more factors to consider such as dampening, the actual PR of a page can be PR?.0 to?.99 and make links worth different amounts from what appears to be thesame PR value etc.

I hope that helps

Thaparian




msg:733623
 1:43 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a blog of PR = 3 , i put 2 links to my new siteWith different preffixes,
That blog has only 2 outlinks , both to my new site.
what should be PR of new site?

I also have 5-6 links from some other sites with PR 1,2,3 and about ten outlinks.

What should be my PR.

inbound




msg:733624
 1:55 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I should have made it clearer that all links should be counted, not just ones to outside of the domain that the page is from.

So, a page with 7 navigation links and 3 links to external pages will pass PR to 10 pages.

Given the limited information about your new site I would say a PR2 is likely.

Thaparian




msg:733625
 1:58 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

The blog has only 2 links , no link to the same domain and no navigation link.

Strictly Only Two links, both to my new site.

inbound




msg:733626
 2:04 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

In the previous explanation I refered to a 'dampening factor', this may be something that effects you in this instance.

Let's say Google decides to only pass on 75% of the PR from a page then you get the situation where a single link out from a PR3 page could give you a PR3 or PR2, depending on the strength of the PR3 (is it a PR3.0 or PR3.7?).

The dampening factor is required to stop people creating long sets of pages with one link to another (which would lead to an infinite amount of PR6 pages from the initial PR6 page).

No-one really knows what the dampening factor is.

Given the new information, your new site could go to PR3 but it's still very possible it will end up a PR2.

ontrack




msg:733627
 3:20 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

If a page is penalized or if page rank has decreased how long does it take to how up in the tool bar?

Pico_Train




msg:733628
 3:41 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

If a toolbar is installed on a computer, does anybody read it?

Kufu




msg:733629
 4:49 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Isn't this a tired topic already?

There is no way to predict rankings based on PR. Just pick a SERP and compare the PR of the top 10 sites.

IMO, it is updated constantly.

That is not anyone's opinion. That is what actually happens.

I admit, it is nice to see the green bar, but no more than a passing glance should be dedicated to it.

moftary




msg:733630
 5:17 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Correct, the only useful feature in the green bar is to ask for link exchange. Pagerank updates once googlebots catch the IBLs, while the toolbar just shows an snapview of the pagerank of the page quarterly.

The same goes for the link: command.

Thaparian




msg:733631
 6:10 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Whats IMO and IBL's?

I am a New user

M3Guy




msg:733632
 6:39 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Got to agree with Kufu on this.

So to stop any further questions that have already been answered earlier in the thread, here are some pointers:

PR updates constantly
The foolbar updates when G decides to
There is no simple way to guess what pr you may have when updated, however, you could assume that a pr4 outbound link from a page with no other outbound links to a new page will result in a pr3 when updated
PR seems to hold little importance to ranking IMO
PR is less relevant now than it has been in the past
A lower pr, on topic relevant link is worth more than a higher pr, off topic link for positioning purposes in the se's

For explanation:

IMO = In My Opinion
IBL = In Bound Links
SE = Search Engine

iInventedtheinternet




msg:733633
 7:25 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is anyone else seeing the PAGERANK in the toolbar update today?

akmac




msg:733634
 7:27 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Try checking in the google directory-id you're listed there.

As an add-on: Does anyone know if the PR shown in the google directory is more frequently updated/accurate than that displayed on the toolbar?

On my site there is a difference of 2 points between the toolbar PR and the google directory PR-so I rather hope the directory PR is more trustworthy ;-)

ontrack




msg:733635
 8:28 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

What is the google directory - id, where can I go to see this?

akmac




msg:733636
 10:33 pm on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

directory dot google dot com

The contents is gleaned from dmoz directory. So, you must be listed in dmoz before you show up in the google directory.

Dayo_UK




msg:733637
 10:44 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>Does anyone know if the PR shown in the google directory is more frequently updated/accurate than that displayed on the toolbar?

The directory seems to be less frequently updated and less accurate than the displayed toolbar (which is probably very inaccurate aswell)

mc4210




msg:733638
 4:21 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

Regarding the "how many links" questions, I've found a page at seogeeks.com with the following claims:

To get the PR you want, you need about 18 links from pages with the same PR, assuming 50 links per page.

So if you want a PR7, you'll need links from 18 PR7 pages, assuming each of these pages has about 50 outbound links. Alternatively, you could have 3 links from PR8 pages.

Well, that's just what they say. I don't know how current that information is. And can't remember the exact url :)

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