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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-28
Dayo_UK




msg:718177
 8:28 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from: [webmasterworld.com...] >

Wow - this looks like a major major screw up by Google this time (lol yet again)

It is almost as if the allinanchor, allintitle and therefore other serps have been turned off for 2-3 word searches in the sector I watch.

Worst results yet. Someone said reverted back to results/algo/scoring prior to or at the beginning of Big Daddy - this could fit in with what I am seeing.

[edited by: tedster at 2:55 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

 

toothake




msg:718178
 8:34 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

MLHmptn
about update ,OK I 've lost one site all others are there with copra or not copra same places,how is possible to make an update while zillions of pages ranking at the top have 0 PR 0 backlinks ,the real update will come after the BL PR update ,and that will be as our good friend reseler predict between end July - August.All what you see is transfering old and new Data from one DC to others or maybe from old boxes to new boxes ,IMHO as usual.

Hissingsid




msg:718179
 8:41 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

IMHO Copra is no longer.

What is being fed to those 55 DCs is not Copra, its not Turd it is something else.

I watch a few 2 and 3 word terms. One 2 word term and one 3 word term together produce about 65% of our traffic. On the new (Copraesque) results we have maintained our #1 slot for the 2 word term but have gone from a single listing at #2 for the 2 word term to a listing at #1 with inset at #2. Clearly this is very good news for me.

However when I look at other secondary terms, there are some where we have moved up to #1 & #2 and others where we used to be at #1 (in Copra and pre BD) where we are now still in the top 20 but much lower. These new Copraesque results are IMO better than Turd but not as good as we were getting on Copra up to yesterday for the secondary terms.

This makes me think that they may be using high volume terms to check that their changes are moving search quality in the right direction but forgetting what is happenning to low volume terms.

Sid

[edited by: tedster at 2:52 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

MLHmptn




msg:718180
 8:55 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

What is being shown on Google is not Copra nor Turd. What is being shown on the Google DC's that serve me are what was shown on comcast for a few weeks about two-three weeks ago. Either that or Google is using the Copra results and applying a filter before it's displayed in the Google UI for the search query. It's funny how every single one of those Copra DC's show slightly different SERP's than what Google displays without accessing it via an IP. Anybody else notice this or am I alone in noticing that happening? Honestly I think the old "Update XXXXX" no longer applies with this new infrastructure. What we are seeing is a constant everflux. Of course the DC's as they sit atm contradict that fact as 95% of them are in SYNC finally! :>~ DC watching might just become a MUST for SEO's to watch daily movements on certain DC's. Who was it that stated that DC watching was futile?! :>~


IMO it is not only copra results spreading but also some significant changes for some keywords where I BELIEVE many sites with (too many?) affiliate links have been relegated to the last (+500) positions in the serps. anyone else noticing this?

Your not alone in noticing this fact. Affiliates are taking a big hit as they should! What good is 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc....rate info when it's all the same?! Original content is taking huge leaps in SERP's as it should finally. If your making new content DO NOT FORGET to base href your pages or somebody will rape ya! All of my original content pages have skyrocketed on my 20+ sites. I have one affiliate site that took a huge hit to the sewers though as well as I predicted it would as none of it was original content. Affiliate spam is out of control and I'm glad Google is seeing it fit to address it. Nothing like your vendor sending you a CD with a DB that you simply have to import but it surely devalues every search engine when it delivers the same Model Number, Name, Description, etc for the top 100 results. MC has stated many, many of times that ORIGINAL CONTENT is king! That should have been the biggest hint of all.

[edited by: MLHmptn at 9:05 am (utc) on June 28, 2006]

steveb




msg:718181
 9:02 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

These new results on Mcnameless are nothing like the comcast ones. The results that I get on Google.com, which i can't get on any datacenter including the tracert I get, are more similar to the comcast ones (though comcast still has noticeably better results). However, bizarrely, sites that I'm seeing lost (for example, one whose main page has been replaced by a supplemental from 2004) are lost everywhere.

It really is like: "how can we muck things up in a way we haven't before?"

Dayo_UK




msg:718182
 9:05 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

For a site that appeared partially fixed for a site:domain.com search with homepage first etc now shows supplementals first on a site:domain.com search.

Let just hope this current mess is a very temporary stage before Google starts moving forwards.

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 9:08 am (utc) on June 28, 2006]

MLHmptn




msg:718183
 9:08 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)


These new results on Mcnameless are nothing like the comcast ones. The results that I get on Google.com, which i can't get on any datacenter including the tracert I get, are more similar to the comcast ones (though comcast still has noticeably better results). However, bizarrely, sites that I'm seeing lost (for example, one whose main page has been replaced by a supplemental from 2004) are lost everywhere.

I phrased that wrong above. Sorry. I meant that whatever Google's DC that serves me is showing the comcast results, not <the online tool's> DC's. My bad Steveb...Was a poor way of saying "whatever Google's DC is serving me with www.google.com".

And yes Dayo...Supplehell! :>~ Everyone of my domains is showing supplehells from mid 2004+ roughly.

NOTE:

It's kinda nice seeing that every DC shows Copra now though over at <the online tool>! God only know how long it took! Now, will it revert?! Laugh!

[edited by: MLHmptn at 9:26 am (utc) on June 28, 2006]

[edited by: tedster at 2:46 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

tigger




msg:718184
 9:16 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm now also in the supplemental club and noticed it last week when 70% of my site went supplemental but for some odd reason the traffic held - but yesterday I saw a massive drop in traffic to almost nothing from G

Hissingsid




msg:718185
 9:32 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

MLHmptn, Steveb,

Have you tried throwing out your Google cookies and repeat those searches. A few weeks ago I noticed I was getting different results on different browsers. Then I threw out the Google cookies from one and the results matched up with those in the browser I have bouncing cookies.

Sid

wanderingmind




msg:718186
 9:34 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have lost rankings across the board, massively (for original ocntent), and site is not showing up the homepage for site: query any longer.

MLHmptn




msg:718187
 9:38 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sid,

No it's still the same for me...FF for browser. I haven't used IE for quite some time.

Just used IE and results are the same...Cookies flushed.

Funny how the one site I am watching closely jumps 10 spots to #7 if I query www.google.com. If I access any IP directly...This site drops to 17.

[edited by: MLHmptn at 9:42 am (utc) on June 28, 2006]

MLHmptn




msg:718188
 9:43 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google has to be applying a filter before it hits the UI. No other way to explain it because the results I get served up are a variant of Copra.

steveb




msg:718189
 9:51 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cleaned cookies and preferences and still the comcast-like results are there (and yes, a semi-distant cousin of Copra).

tigger




msg:718190
 10:15 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

sorry I've been away for a few weeks when you make reference to "Copra" what are you talking about?

frakilk




msg:718191
 10:43 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I was hit on May 16th and I have seen nothing more substantial than the normal day-to-day flux.

tigger




msg:718192
 10:45 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

thanks MLHmptn

300m




msg:718193
 10:56 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Interestingly enough I have now had a full recovery on 2 domains. I doubt its gonna stick for more than a month at the most, but hey who knows. I will enjoy it while I can.

SEOPTI




msg:718194
 11:34 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

They massively released domains from their sandbox.

Seowatch_uk




msg:718195
 11:56 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

66.102.9.104 showing great results finally

qwerty




msg:718196
 12:06 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Overnight, I have lost rankings on two sites. For these 2 sites, the site command no longer shows the homepage first.

Yesterday, the site command worked properly (listing homepage first) and I had good rankings.

Sites are 6 years old.

Do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?

gsyi




msg:718197
 12:33 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?

The same here...

petehall




msg:718198
 12:41 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think age just became a fraction more important on Copra... not by much just a fraction but enough to make a reasonable difference.

tigger




msg:718199
 12:43 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

that was something I was considering till I spoke with a friend that had the same drop as me today and his site is 2 years newer than mine

petehall




msg:718200
 12:45 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Same search phrases tigger?

diac




msg:718201
 12:47 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?

Yes for me too this night... it disappeared from almos all DC but i can find them on these:

72.14.235.107
66.249.89.107
64.233.189.107
64.233.189.104

tigger




msg:718202
 12:50 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

yep petehall, we started as competitors now friends we are both seeing a similar drop.

In fact I'm amazed he's not posted yet

M3Guy




msg:718203
 1:10 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry Tigger, been crying into my cornflakes

Whilst it seems some people are quite pleased with these results, in the field i'm viewing the results are absolute trash.

As Tigger has already mentioned, we both promote our sites in the same field, however, both our sites are written in a different way, laid out with a different structure and using completely different on page information, however, we have both been 'bent over' in the current serps.

A lot of the top 20 positions are taken by sites breaking G's guidlines in one way or another, and although i note that ageing seems to be of benefit, there are a number of sites appearing that i know for a fact have only been registered in the last couple of months and have only been live for the last 4 weeks or so. I'm aslo seeing one page 'sites' ranking for strong terms, and hugely interlinked pages and sites showing up in good positions.

Now, as far as the affiliate stuff is concerned, i'm seeing confused results.

I'm seeing sites that are well written and not using lots of affiliate content being pushed out of the top 100, and some that are simply replecating affiliate content on their sites moving up.

Is G filtering the sites with affiliate content? Or are they penalising sites with unique content but too many affiliate style links leaving them?

I seem to remember this happening about 2 months ago and it had a massive effect (70% traffic loss) for about 24 hours or so and then it recovered, I'm simply hoping that it will do the same again.

toothake




msg:718204
 1:10 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?2
here too

diego_m




msg:718205
 1:19 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> Do others who have lost their rankings also have a problem with the site:example.com not showing the homepage first?

>> Yes for me too this night... it disappeared from almos all DC but i can find them on these:

>>72.14.235.107
>>66.249.89.107
>>64.233.189.107
>>64.233.189.104

Exactly the same for me. And I get my best rankings in these DC.

avalanche101




msg:718206
 1:20 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually, after looking at the results for our sector a bit more carefully, all that seems to have happened is the first 30 or so results have been moved around, but they are all within the top 30, maybe moved from page 1 to 2, or 3 to 1 etc.
When people say their sites are gone from this, do they mean not in google at all, or just moved from top spot to page 2 or 3?

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