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June 27 - changes
bontar

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Msg#: 34979 posted 9:51 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

<Admin note: See also June 27 - we fully recovered from traffic drop [webmasterworld.com]>

This time I prefer to keep calm about this update. So instead of start a thread about how evil-ish is Google, I decided to start a thread to discover the cause of all this mess.

I'll try to explain all SEO relevant characteristics of my affected site (I have other sites not affected by this update), and I hope more people do the same, so we can find a pattern and act consequently.

Morphology:

The site is three years old, and is structured in folder, and every folder is about a different theme and they are not related.

Every folder has articles (unique content), a discussion forum, a links section and in some cases, photo galleries.

Most of the articles have a thread in the forum to discuss about it. And the first user comments are displayed under the article. After the comments, there is a link to the related forum thread, so the discussion can go on without disturbing too much.

The article has a link to the thread, but the forum thread has no link back to the article.

I run Adsense ads in all the pages of the site.

Inbound links:

4 of the subwebs ( folders) of the site have an inbound link from 4 different DMOZ categories.

There are some (maybe 3 or 4) link exchanges, but from/to related sites.

Outbound links:

All the outbound links are to 'good' sites. The outbound links are usually only in the links section, and some directly from the articles.

Inner linkage:

The main page of the domain links to all the folders of the site.

All the pages in the folders have a link to the rest of pages of the same folder.

In addition, the footer of all the pages have links to the rest of the root of the other folders.

Every folder has a valid sitemap submitted to google a few months ago.

Special folders:

One of the mini-sites (folders) is a 'free photo album' application, so there are a lot of pages with the same text, but with a different picture.

Other mini-site is a directory of hotels and restaurants of a city in Spain, so again there are a lot of 'similar' pages.

Evolution in the serps:

The last two months the number of indexed pages in google has been growing after being in the supplemental hell.

The position in the serps for a open broad of searches was quite good, always in the first page for my targeted keywords and variations.

Panic actions:

I know I should have stayed away from making changes now, but.... Today I've created a robots.txt that exclude googlebot from indexing the images of the free photo album site, and the details of every hotel and restaurant from the spanish city site.

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Any similarity with your affected sites?

[edited by: tedster at 8:07 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

 

bontar

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Msg#: 34979 posted 3:38 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Forgot to say that the site: command is a mess right now.

Before this update, doing a site:mysite.com returned the list of all the directories in the domain, with correct title and description. Now, it returns a unordered list of pages picked randomly from all the domain...

frakilk

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Msg#: 34979 posted 3:42 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't mean to be rude but what makes you believe this is an 'update'. It could be just a 'bad data push' similar to that which happened on Dec 27th. I'll wait until I hear it from the horse's mouth to call anything an update.

R2KPal

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Msg#: 34979 posted 3:46 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

My sites met similar fate! :(
Intrestingly, whichever sites returns wierd result for site: command, ie home page is not first, only got affected. They were in 1 - 10 for months and now not in top 200.

wanderingmind

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Msg#: 34979 posted 3:46 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Mostly, same situation for me, and for quite a few others in another thread "... fully recovered today"

Site: command is messed up too.

Don't worry - this looks like the bad data push. I am almost sure nowadays that it will be fixed. (and then the next disaster starts for someone else..!)

bontar

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Msg#: 34979 posted 3:50 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Call it 'bad data push', update, or whatever, I don't mind. I just want to know if there is anybody in the same situation as I am, and try to find out why.

If, at the end of the day, it was just an hiccup, the better, but I can't afford waiting while watching the grass grow.

[Edited:] Now it sounds the rude is me... sorry

chickenpaw

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Msg#: 34979 posted 4:01 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Folks....

I cover about 10 different industries and basically sit on GOOGLE all day. These are the best results they have had in 4 months....the datacenters are finally showing the complete update that started about 4 months ago.

tebrino

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 4:06 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

In my case, this "update" fixed missing home page on site command problem, which was missing since Big Daddy started. Site is five years old, white hat SEO with lot of natural links from similar sites and was completely unaffected by any previous major updates.

jetteroheller

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Msg#: 34979 posted 4:08 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

(and then the next disaster starts for someone else..!)

June 2005, one of my 2004 created themed subdomains from my main domain had been hit.

About 15% less revenues than expected because of this.

This time, all major income sub domains from my main domain had been more heavy hit.

About 72% less revenues

I can deal with one disaster at one time, but this is like a hurricane destroying Miami, Tampa, New Orleans and Huston in one run.

About site structure:

I use a self written CMS with named pathways.
So the URL contains practically a description of the page.

I use this CMS at my own sites and also at all my clients sites from my internet promotion business.

It seems only one small real estate site has been hit. All other checked client sites are in the same range with visitors from Google.

Trying to find a pattern?

One subdomain of my main domain is not affected, but has exactly the same layout, the same structure.

An other of my own sites is also not affected, but has a very similar structure.

ogletree

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Msg#: 34979 posted 4:15 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have seen some very weird results. I was ranking for a term that only has a few hundred sites in the whole search. I have the kw in the title of my page. I was ranking number 2 for the term. All of a sudden yesterday my site fell to page 3. All the sites linking to me with that term as anchor text are now beating me. There is not one result on the first 2 pages of that search now that has the term in the title. They are all deep links in directories to my site.

tflight

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Msg#: 34979 posted 4:17 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

In my case, this "update" fixed missing home page on site command problem, which was missing since Big Daddy started.

The opposite just happened to me. Starting last night my homepage is no longer showing in the "site" command out of about 700 pages where it had always showed before.

rden17

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Msg#: 34979 posted 4:25 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

same with my sites as well. site:domain.tld showing different every day

today, some of my results have very strange titles that include menu links in them.

Looks like this:

Actual Title - Web Links Main Menu Home About ...

Is this really "These are the best results they have had in 4 months....the datacenters are finally showing the complete update that started about 4 months ago."

I don't think so...

bontar

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Msg#: 34979 posted 4:28 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Another 'curiosity', now the spanish serps of nearly all my niches are monopolized by the sites (multiple subdomains) of a popular newspaper here in Spain.

I fear that it is not only a 'bad data push', it has spread across all the DC too fast.

jetteroheller

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Msg#: 34979 posted 4:38 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just checked an other theory.

I noticed some weeks ago, that some of my sub domains are suddenly indexed

theme.example.com (like it should be)
www.theme.example.com (unwanted)

I checked now all my sub domains for
site:theme.example.com
site:www.theme.example.com

Some heavy affected subdomains are not indexed as www also.

So being indexed by accident as www and not www can not be the reason

tonyx

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 5:10 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

bontar, i'm in the same situation.

if i trow a site:sitename it show me internal page but not the home page!

For months i was in 1 page and now i'm not in the first 10 pages! I have lost my site?

In the last 3 weeks i have made some links exchange about 15, so now i have about 15 new incoming links.

My opinion was that too many new back link can be trow my site in sandbox, but now i have undestand that i'm not the only!

Have you improved your back link recently?

Tony.

ogletree

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Msg#: 34979 posted 5:10 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I had one site show up yesterday on page one for a term but is now back down to page 3. This site keeps popping up on page one every few weeks for one day then falls again.

pgrote

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 5:16 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have no idea what happened in terms of updates, etc. What I can tell you is 50% of our traffic from Google disappeared yesterday.

colin_h



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 5:21 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've just checked one of my favourite 2 work terms on Google.co.uk and I've never seen such irrelavent listings. IMHO this is not an update, just a good old fashioned mistake and IMO it will all be rectified in a few days.

Rest Easy My Friends and Enjoy the Sun

All the Best

Col :-)

p.s. that 2 word phrase has only 683 possible sites to choose from {:-))))

[edited by: colin_h at 5:26 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

pgrote

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Msg#: 34979 posted 5:24 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

"just a good old fashioned mistake and IMO it will all be rectified in a few days."

I hope so.

Wibfision

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 5:27 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hope you're right Col. I wish Googleguy would post to let us know what's happening.

pechspilz

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 5:27 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Our site is down to 900 from 25000 indexed pages before the 27th.

Quite a drop :-(

colin_h



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 5:30 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm sure it's going to clear up. I'm seeing activity exactly like I saw in May and that was over in just a few days. I mean just 683 sites for a town name and a professional service ... ridiculous ;-)

colin_h



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 5:35 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've just run quick checks for the following:

Town Name Widgetmaker - 683

County Widgetmaker - 515

Country Widgetmaker - 42'000

This is google's error, so please don't fall into the trap of blamng your programming and knee jerk a site change. If you've got honest content it will come back. In May I came back nearly twice as strong.

All the best guys

Col :-)

ontrack

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Msg#: 34979 posted 5:36 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm in a panic, my main site's home page has been in the top three to ten spots for the last six to 12 months and all of a sudden it droped from 1 to 33 today and much worse for some terms. Just a few of the inside pages seem okay. I've always survived updates in the past and my page rank still shows as a 5 in the tool bar. If I've been penalized would the page rank be gone or can it take a while? And, is there a good chance this is just temporary? Please help.

tigger

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Msg#: 34979 posted 5:36 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

hope your right colin I was hit in may and for a few days I didn't sleep much

donelson

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Msg#: 34979 posted 5:58 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, we had 5 sites, and all but one of them is badly affected.

Our main "Taj Mahal" (most important AdSense revenue) site was #1 or #2 for years, and today it's #8 and our revenue is off by 40% already, grrr.

The funny thing is, we have been seeing the DMOZ titles for the home pages for our sites (off & on -- 90% DMOZ titled, 10% our correct titles) for a month now. These DMOZ titles are five (!) years old and completely out-of-date, so I wish Google would stop using them. Don't they expect websites to change at all? Or are home pages supposed to have the same titles ForEver?

Anyway, this afternoon all our sites but one (a gardens guide) has been badly demoted.

Our website on "St Pauls Cathedral" (virtual tour) has disappeared COMPLETELY - NO listing AT ALL!

And our "Kew Gardens" virtual tour has gone from #2 to god-knows-where (still listed somewhere).

snook

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 6:07 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)


>Our site is down to 900 from 25000 indexed pages >before the 27th.

>Quite a drop :-(

pechspilz know how you fee, same here
from +300,000 to 25,000..

FinanceGirls

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 6:18 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Same thing here. We have been in the top 10 for our 2 & 3 word keywords for about 3 years. Now we are 20 - 30. We are in a very competitive market that has a lot of affilate marketers. One thing I noticed was that the sites being served up right now, don't have any of the affiliate links in them. I really think Google is trying to get rid of affiliate sites. We had a "knee jerk" reaction and put half of our affiliate links inside our htaccess file to "disguise" the links. Really sucks. The thing is, Google has always liked our affilate page. Sent that more traffic then all the articles I spend hours working on! We have a lot of quality articles and reports and yet we sank. Although, we don't have a lot of recp links. Our site is 9 years old. Any thoughts or ideas?

donelson

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 6:21 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry, newbie here. What is an "affiliate page"?

Thanks

rden17

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34979 posted 6:24 pm on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

This has been more than a few days now, it's been over a week now.

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