|Reports of perfect Google results |
Reports of totally unaffected websites on Google
With members reporting problems on Google's changes of the last 6 or so months, it's easy to be left with the impression that no one escaped the bugs and new indexing patterns.
But is that true?
Every now and again i see a comment from a member that say's "we have no problems".
Now if that's true, we'd love to hear from you. And if it's not true - well I guess this thread will remain empty!
Out of roughly 70 domains I am currently working with, none of them have had "real" problems that involved lost traffic and income. Some "unreal" problems have been there with spurious site: results for a while.
One new client did come to me with the loss of important traffic on a single "trophy keyword" that had been working for several years. They had recently tried an aggressive approach and probably must shoulder some responsibility for that loss -- although it is still a bit puzzling.
Despite the fact that my long-term clients have not been hurt, the shifts I see on the SERPs that I monitor do show me that there is trouble afoot for some sites -- and I am not clear about what that is, altogether. Missing home pages and "all supplemental" troubles are certainly affecting some folks, but not having an in depth history for those domains makes analysis difficult.
On our larger site (automotive related, 1m PV/M) we have gone from strength to strength over the last 2 months.
Our most competitive keyword phrases have either held firm or increased positioning in the Google SERP and feature on Google News regularly.
We're strictly white hat, with some strong on-theme links from PR4+ pages, our editor is building 3-5 new pages per day (news related).
We submitted XML sitemap to Google around 4 months ago, no problems whatsoever.
Site went from 50,000 pages to around 1,000 last week, but was due to a rogue script causing problems, however, we fixed the error and we're almost fully indexed again within 4 days.
Just hoping the bubble doesn't burst.
I've experienced the problems people have been reporting on my other site, so I'm left scratching my head too!
Our main company site has sailed through the whole thing without so much as a sneeze, while "my" sites, the four I look after, have all suffered a severe dose of the flu!
One is recovering nicely, now nearly all pages are back in the main index, having gone supplemental. The other three are still supplemental.
Of our clients sites, it's about 50/50. Some have dropped pages, disappeared, gone supplemental etc, while others have remained totally unaffected. Go figure!
"Perfect Google results" and "having no problems" are two different things. :-)
As for my own site's rankings in the last six months, I've seen only a few minor changes for the keywords and keyphrases that I track. Google referrals follow the normal seasonal patterns and are much more stable than, say, Yahoo's.
Come to think of it, the only two big changes that I've witnessed on my own site in the last several years have been the Allegra update (which gave me a 30% jump in Google referrals overnight) and the mini-update of March 23, 2005 (which resulted in a 70-90% drop in Google referrals until everything got straightened out two months later, possibly because I'd fixed the www-vs-non-www duplicatation problem with changes to my .htaccess file).
I do see weird things in Google's results (such as a vastly inflated number of pages for my domain in the index), but they don't seem to be having any real-life consequences.
The sites I work with, from niche to very competitive...tend to remain very stable through any update process...why you ask? Because I don't chase around the algorithm trying to rank...I rank well because I pay close attention to the usability factors on the site...for stickiness and click throughs....and this relates to both the internal factors and external factors...
Sites with quality, on-topic, inbound links, good internal navigation, with all pages linking back to "/", and with quality content, and a unique title and description per page, as well as proper non-www to www 301 redirects are all fine, with maybe a very few pages filtered (only appearing when &filter=0 is clicked).
Sites with the same title and/or meta-description on multiple pages are suffering with Supplemental Results, or with 90% of their pages being hidden behind &filter=0 on a site: search.
Sites without a 301 redirect from non-www to www, or with all pages linking to /index.html (and with the root page actually indexed as www.domain.com/ instead) are really suffering with dropped pages, multiple supplemental pages, and loss of PR.
Sites with hardly any inbound links, and with poor internal navigation have been culled from the index, with only the pages that have a direct link from another site showing up in the site: search, even with &filter=0 applied.
The sites with problems have been advised as to what they need to fix - but you can only advise people so many times, and be ignored, before you have to walk away.
Hmmm. Just checked again.
One of the sites did some cleanup of titles and meta descriptions and improved the internal linking and it looks like they are better indexed some time in the last few days. They had been down to just a few pages listed, and a few more as Supplmental. Now they have a few dozen properly indexed, and just a couple of Supplemental. Still have a few pages missing - but two weeks ago all but 5 pages were missing.
how do you run this "&filter=0" with the site command?
and how do you do a 301 redirect from non-www to www with windows?
There are some sites that are always more or less unaffected by whatever changes and dances Google goes through.
That does not mean that the Google results are perfect. Not even that they are better or worse than they used to be. Just that these sites aren't really affected by the changes.
Similarly, there are some sites that are very much influenced by even small changes at the Googleplex. But that does not say anything about the quality of Google search either, it only says that these sites are more easily influenced /more volatile than others.
As for "Google results" as such, I have noticed a few nice improvements or "new initiatives", especially in sectors that are traditionally... uhm, competitive... but there's still spam and low quality sites out there of course.
No wonder as there are so many people producing so many of them. I'm not thinking about anyone here, of course ;)
If that's what the web is filled with google has to show it, don't they? Or produce better pages themselves...
|No wonder as there are so many people producing so many of them. I'm not thinking about anyone here, of course ;) |
Claus - of course not - whatever gave you that hunch? :)
Google results are like a box of chocolates. Some ya like and some ya don't.
No problems here. Of course, I'm not trying to sell real estate or something. I have to smile, though, at all the "Google is broken!" posts every algo/infrastructure/whatever change. It's all a disaster, apparently, except that my pages don't suddenly go missing, or supplimental - they just continue to do well in the serps. Granted, the site is niche, has been online for close to four years, has lots of organic inbounds, has well over 400 text-heavy unique pages (and increasing all the time), supplies truly original content, and I would never consider having Adsense (which means there would be no reason for its existence for many of the members here).
|Sites with quality, on-topic, inbound links, good internal navigation, with all pages linking back to "/", and with quality content, and a unique title and description per page, as well as proper non-www to www 301 redirects are all fine, with maybe a very few pages filtered (only appearing when &filter=0 is clicked). |
That's a good check list. I have a few sites myself and many client sites, and they only one out of around 20 web sites that had supplemental problems was one who left his user comments areas open to spammers and had links to spammy web sites (pharmacies, adult, etc) for a few months, which I had to do a big clean up recently.
My sites are all 100% white hat in terms of optimisation.
2 of my sites took a hit in Feb March . Cleaned up some internal linking and over optimasation and they all came back pretty well still a bit of work to do.
But over all 95 % good with keeping the white hat on .
We have no problems... things are normal here.
(knocks on wood)
Ann odd mixture. On a "site" basis, I've had few problems.
On a "page" basis, a few have simply cratered including one that continues to puzzle me.
Other aspects - crawling (especially over the last few weeks) has been bizarre. Whether Google indexes my sites and whether it assigns me some rank or other is one thing - but it cannot make those decisions unless it has current data. And, to be frank, it damn well doesn't.
I've just started writing some code to analyse my logs and generate a CSV file to build a spreadsheet - a row for each page and a column for each search engine spider. I think I know in advance what it wil tell me - Google is between one and four weeks behind the other search engines.
Over time, once the relative age of Google's database becomes known, this will seriously impact their image. Yahoo and MSN have copies of my pages that are much newer than anything Google has read.
My primary personal site has done nothing but improve since the update of May, 2005 (after having been inexplicably invisible for almost three years). Just now it's going gangbusters, and as far as I can tell, top ranked for pretty much any relevant query I can think of. Google's now providing about 68% of its total traffic, and its traffic has probably tripled in the past three months. But it's mainly a hobby site, and makes me no money except for a bit of AdSense.
Unfortunately, it's my client's sites that have been up and down and in some cases tanking so terribly of late.
>>>>with all pages linking back to "/", <<<<
I don't believe that is an issue. I just went thru the top position holders in my sector and there is a mix. Some do and some don't.
No problems on my end. I fell entirely for the singular version of my 2-word money keyword for about 3 days. I am now back and as strong as ever across the board.
SEO? What's SEO? I just build a site that is fast, error free, standards compliant and beneficial to my users with a strong backbone of incoming index and deep links. I've not experienced a huge drop in Google since update Florida, Nov. '03 (when I took the gloves off and decided to give the beast what it really wants).
P.S. My site is ranked #2 out of 549,000,000 (current) results.
>>>>with all pages linking back to "/", <<<<
>> I don't believe that is an issue. <<
It is an issue when www.domain.com/index.html is PR 6 and does not appear first in a site: search, or does not appear at all; and www.domain.com/ does appear in the site: search, but is PR 0.
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are getting at but I just checked two of the top sites and one uses html and the other uses asp. Neither has the index page listed at all in the site: command search but both their mysite.com/ and their mysite.com/index show their same pr. I would think some other problem must exist. perhaps in the way their 301 is placed for www to non-www.
And one interesting side note: the one with html has all it's pages except two supplemental and the other has quite a few but lots not. The supplementals don't seem to affect rank. Even with all my pages except the index page on one of my sites gone supplemental, it is climbing in the serps daily.
It's SNAGU now.
It's SNAGU now.
If You would ask this question yesterday, I would have answered
My main domain runs since 1997
All the Google updates with no problem,
but now is my main domain, with most themed subdomains in big trouble.
"P.S. My site is ranked #2 out of 549,000,000 (current) results."
In that case I suspect your first keyword is "free"