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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-21

 5:39 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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With reference to: Copra Copra Variant Original Turd Turd Variant

I get the same results on the first three.
Different on Turd variant

Do you think that Copra will propagate to all Google datacenters?

[edited by: tedster at 9:36 pm (utc) on June 21, 2006]



 10:27 pm on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

What update?

On what DC is ther a update.


 12:49 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

UK default dcs (some anyway) showing what looks to be the first merging of other dc COPRA data.

Hopefully once they merge htese that is it?


 1:09 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

UK default dcs (some anyway) showing what looks to be the first merging of other dc COPRA data.

It's 2am and I'm a bit drunk, but what on earth are you talking about? :-)

DCs have been relatively stable for almost 24 hours now...


 1:37 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Has anyone noticed sites disappearing for their allintext: positions, I am seeing this with many sites, not just my ones, all sorts of sites.

One site, a competitors has been no1 for 4 years and is still no1 for its main term, but doing a search for its allintext: results its gone, is this just the same as the site: command issues google has been having, and the same as homepages disappearing and then reappearing.

The sites in question have not been down due to hosting problems, so wondered why this was happening.

Anyone got any ideas?

I can see google has lots of bugs going on at the moment and constantly shifting results, but this one has puzzled me.

This corresponds with Sandpetra's comment

UK default dcs (some anyway) showing what looks to be the first merging of other dc COPRA data.

The newer Copra data pretty much looks the same untill you do this kind of search.


 1:54 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have now checked this again with about 50 random keywords/phrases and there is an allintext: element that is at play, some results are widely different across the datacentres, in other phrases the difference is less noticeable.

The other things is the search:

allintext: blue widgets ( vary results )

intext: blue widgets ( same results )

To see it in action you need to do the searches on a group of datacentres that have the same results for a normal search.


 5:30 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hay Guys,

I heve noted a good keyword ranking for my sites in some of the DC's of google . That are as following:

I think google's DC updation is started .

What do you think?


 6:30 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

"I heve noted a good keyword ranking for my sites update started"
LOL you uys are funny sometimes ,because you rank for a keyword update started like reseler say don't expect any update before August ,Septemper perhaps until Google fix bugs ,finish Dalles project ,update PR and backlinks ,index finally millions of pages MIA from Authority sites and more...After all that happen the results will have nothing to do with what you see today ,conclusion ,take a nice holiday somewhere ,lock the laptop and enjoy a tequila sunrise on a beach somewhere,that is what I'm doin next week.PS And save some bandwidth from poor <online tools> :)

[edited by: tedster at 3:46 am (utc) on June 23, 2006]


 8:56 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Am I right in thinking that everything is Copra now? Might just be my search terms that have changed.

Now are Google going to tackle the problem of indexing content again?


Exactly what I am seeing.

My allintext and allinanchor positions are all over the place.


 8:58 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi seodilip,

You have just spotted the few floating Turds that refuse to get flushed away. They may have to be removed manually ;)



 9:16 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

yeah, Dayo_UK

its been doing it all night ( I'm in the uk),

have any of the sites you know, disappeared for the allintext: command?


 9:27 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep and disappeared on some of the allinanchors (although a filter=0 brings them back on the allinanchors but not the allintext)


 9:45 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK I'm not getting the allinachor: bug so can't replicate it.

It seemed like two different data sets for the allintext: bug?

Are you seeing more than two sets?


 10:14 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)


When I use <an online tool> and put the allins in the search field myself I only get a problem with Allintext:search term. I'm #1 on all DCs for allintext except for the following DCs:

The really worrying thing is that only my page which is at #1 on all of the other DCs is dropped from the DCs above. Why am I being singled out?

For allinanchor I see different text on some of the DCs for the first line but when I go to these individually (with existing cookies in my browser) I see the same text. The text for the first line on the majority for allinanchor is from my DMOZ entry. For the minority it is from my index page title. This is definitely affected by cookies. If I open <an online tool> frame in a new window and then copy the google search URL into a browser with cookies switched off I see my index URL on my regular browser which has cookies from Google on it I see the DMOZ anchor.

Best wishes


PS If it is important I'm in the UK.

[edited by: tedster at 3:47 am (utc) on June 23, 2006]


 10:34 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)


I would say there is more than 2 sets.

But there is definetly one set that doesn't seem to show my index page for an allintext at all.

The other sets have me in different positions for an allintext search.


 10:44 am on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)


those DC's have me gone for allintext:

I have noticed before when the rankings have changed, such as when there has been an update in the past, that alot of the titles that do well are shorter condensed versions.

So sites with:

<title>london round blue widgets</title>

suddenly do much better, than sites with:

<title>london round blue widgets, blue round london widgets</title>

this always seems to happen in my experience and levels out after a week usually.


 2:05 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)


Its odd though isn't it that the sites that consistently hold #1 or #2 positions are the ones that seem to be fragile to certain aspects of the algo.

After Florida our site vanished from the SERPS, not even in the top 1000. It had previously been #1. In mid February after Florida it went back to #1 and stuck there with very minor movements during periods of flux and then Big Daddy came along. We have still been on the top half of page 1 and have now gone back to #1 but what puzzles me, especially with this allintext thing is why. What is there about my index page that makes it susceptible to Google algo changes. I wish I could figure it out so that I could do something about it.

Meanwhile I'll just be thankful for what I've got.

Best wishes



 2:59 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am watching the keywords to my serps, google seems to be placing more emphasis on my home page. I noticed today where certain keywords would land a person to an internal page, now it takes them to my homepage.


 3:14 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

My serps have drastically changed as of 4pm EST yesterday. Terms have just disappeared and referrals have dropped by 70% and my pages have been increasing steadily for a while now so its not pages being dropped. Keywords that I've ranked 1-5 in the last 6 months are gone and that didn't even happen when some of my pages dropped a while back.

Traffic basically is cut in half.


 4:52 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

[] seems to be down - for repairs?:)


 5:07 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Works for me, but Google takes IP addresses on and off at random times all the time.


 5:11 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

After months of fluctions on all datacenters...it looks like they have been settling down some.


 5:43 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does that include the extra 100, or more, IP addresses that I found earlier in week; IPs that no-one has ever been checking previously?


 7:08 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see increased traffic on two different servers for a whole week in two different languages English and German.. could the settling down be responsible for that?

These servers are ususally a good indicator for G updates.


 8:40 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)


I have had our site disappear before and reappear (fairly quickly )when there has been big fluctuations ( it was an update last time ).

I have just seen it happen to a site that has been no1 for 4 years as I have mentioned in a previous post.

I now think that this is a good sign not a bad one, as we have always held our positions or have increased in position, the site that is no1 has not got a high keyword density(its disappearing for allintext queries), maybe to many links with the same link text is possible.

So it could be various things, it could even be a bad sign, tripping a filter, but then still doing better for all other criteria, and your back in.

Good luck


 8:59 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

None of the <online tool> datacenter results have even appeared on my default Google for over a week.

[edited by: tedster at 3:48 am (utc) on June 23, 2006]


 9:06 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

SteveB, do they appear at SEOcritique?


 10:03 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hadn't looked at <an online tool> for some time but today I see my top keyword shows my homepage at #4 instead of #5 on all but a very few DCs. All the #4 results use the DMOZ info while the others don't.

I suppose this is just another minor shift but I do like the results.

Interesting about the DMOZ titles and descriptions. Do you think Google is going back to them or just experimenting with them?

[edited by: tedster at 3:49 am (utc) on June 23, 2006]


 10:14 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google is definately using them as some form of reference point.

It would be helpful if any of us knew how to stop Google using them, as many peoples DMOZ titles are either outdated or just plainly do not represent what the sites title should be, although some of you out there may well have good DMOZ titles.

Something of is interest is that one of my sites nolonger EVER has its DMOZ title showing and replacing it's normal homepage title.

If I knew how I have managed this, it would probably be very useful to many.


 10:21 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

one of my sites nolonger EVER has its DMOZ title showing

I find if the search doesn't use any words from the DMOZ title then the search results don't use the DMOZ information.


 10:29 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I bet Amazon.com is feeling the wrath of the Google Henchman right now. Down from almost 200 million indexed pages to an average of 70.9 million today. Super Froogle!



 10:30 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

If I use all the words from the dmoz title then it does come up ( no one ever does), if i take off the last word, which is the company type, LTD, it is back to by personalised title.

What I think is that I have optimised my site quite strongly for the first two words, but not the last word LTD, if I had optimised for all three I think it really never would come up, or maybe it would, I might give it a go at some point.

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