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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-17

 11:13 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Continued from:

>> Homepage Gone <<

You need to check very carefully that it isn't indexed at an alternative URL:


For a lot of sites, some other variant is indexed and it can take a bit of searching to discover.


Also, make sure you are very intimate with all of these searches:

site:domain.com -inurl:www

because there are some hidden surprises (nasty ones) to be found there for many sites.


Oh yes, I do most of my searches with &num=100 on the Google URL, and I always check both with &filter=0 and without it.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:29 pm (utc) on June 17, 2006]



 12:41 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think I'll take a break also from watching the results for the weekend. They are going seriously wild again and i better get some positive perspective!

Something's definitely badly wrong in the plex - it seems some things are tripping over other things, bugs on bugs.

Interestingly a new site we put up with one IBL has cached fully it's 378 pages in 2 months.

Shame about the rest - i think the "plex" can't currently handle complex sites right now [ forgive the rhyme ].

Keep on smiling - it's the only way to go :)


 3:03 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Matt's vacation makes sense if we are going to see two more weeks of weirdness like this. One the one hand it would be encouraging if we really were moving buckets full of data from one place to another with a lot spilling out but eventually getting moved over.

Some of this stuff is just too weird to be important. For example, I'm looking at one single word search in the name of all the sites in question where some pages (all in DMOZ) have DMOZ titles and descriptions, some have DMOZ titles but meta descriptions, while others have meta titles and meta descriptions. No rhyme or reason to the mix.

It seems like a good bet that we will just have more or less gibberish serps for a week or so more, then settling down, then Matt coming down from from Black Mountain...


 4:48 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Matt's vacation makes sense"
I post a comment on that 4 days ago
msg #:83


 6:40 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

i'm seeing copra in 36 DCs now....just like last weekend.


 7:08 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)


Yes Copra is on 36 of the McDar listed DCs and for the first time some of the 72.* ones have got Copra on them.



 7:16 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just to report that my site has also completely disappeared between Thursday and Friday for a search term that has been ranking constantly well for the past 18 months. I have been buying links - but slowly and on a bit-by-bit basis. Other than that my site is clean with totally origional content. The ranking for the rest of my not-so-important keywords remains unchanged. Strange - I've not experienced anything like this for any of my sites since Florida (2003). Something happend last night!


 7:20 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Morning, noticed my site popped back into about 20 Data Centers :) Gives me some hope.


 9:01 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is interesting: I am getting two sets of results for the same datacenter.

[] (The <online tool> query style)

[] (Standard Google search style)

On the first I rank 7 and on the second I rank 12.

[edited by: tedster at 3:55 am (utc) on June 23, 2006]


 9:30 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

The ranking for the rest of my not-so-important keywords remains unchanged

I've same problem, for some very relevant keyword where ranking in last 3 years always stay on top 5.
I disappear from 16/06 night. What's happen?
Instead for other less relevant keywords, ranking don't change.


 10:41 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

"since Florida (2003). "
All sites that had previous problems with any past hurricanes like ,florida ,burbon ,brandy ,alegra and so on I bet ya will continue to have them again with Big Daddy.-


 10:44 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just to confirm my previous theory ,did you see any site that never had a problem with all those hurricanes lost a spot or pages currently?


 11:33 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)


Ive been posting to that effect also a few times and have conclusive proof.

I cleared all cookies, internet files etc. A friend of mine who lives about 25 miles away from me in the UK did the same. We then logged onto THE SAME data centre number and did about 8 keyword search requests. The results were different in both locations.

Make what you want of that but maybe its a feature of the new infastructure that Google results are different over the data centres depending on your location so that sites get overall less traffic as its spread about more.


 11:39 am on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Afternoon All

Just thought I'd drop by and say that we now have 37 DCs on Copra results. The highest yet even showing on 72.** DCs what is happening is this the end and it is all proprogating and why is it always at the weekend the copra results show on the 72.** DCs are they testing things on them?

Let's wait and see maybe celebrating tonight I think.



 1:01 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's getting worse - I just searched for some widgets - almost a billion results - but I cannot go more than 67...


 1:54 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm starting to see some Copra results when I use Google's home page search box.

Might be a random fluctuation, or perhaps they're finally starting to use the Copra DCs' for ordinary searches performed by real users (as opposed to just being run in the background, and available via McDar and other DC-specific searches).

If so, this could have a noticeable impact on some sandboxed sites, and others which will suddenly become more visible.


 2:14 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Econman,

Copra results are being seen by real users and have been all along AFAIK. If you look at the thread on UK default DCs you will see that we have had a mix of good and bad results as the defaults.

Its wrong to assume that those DCs have not been serving someones standard results since the time they were spotted on McDar. I've noticed that I'm getting occassional surges in traffic (and troughs as well worse luck) and assume that this is when a good (Copra) DC is being aimed at a major UK ISPs customers as the default Google search.

Good luck!



 2:24 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

... and what of those old supplemental results that I was very pleased to see Google throw away about a month ago, after having them hanging around for years and years?

Almost a half of them have reappeared back in the index in the last few days (but as many are for PDF files, I cannot ascertain their cache date - I guess that they are re-cached with dates that are newer than 2005 June but I cannot prove it).


 2:34 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, I've noticed some more weird behavior this morning. Several sites that were de-indexed are now fully reindexed on at least one datacenter:


The problem is, that the new pages that have been added back have incorrect titles. The bot is grabbing the title tag, then grabbing the first part of the text that is on the page and cramming it into the title until it's full. Since I repeat my title on the page, it looks something like: "Welcome to my webpage! Welcome to my webpage! Blah Blah text from the page" for the titles on everything.

I'm sure, of course, that this is not a bug but rather a reprioritization of the Titling feature, and that if I would simply get better backlinks and stop spamming all the time I could get real titles back.


 2:48 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have noticed that same effect on some Supplemental Results on 72.14.209.x and 72.14.203.x datacentres - in fact for the PDF files I mentioned in the post just above yours. The old title was taken from just the first line of the file. Now they have used that, plus some text from the next line too. Also appears in 72.14.205.x but with one less result there.

Strangely, the 72.14.207.x datacentres still show just the old one-word titles. These are pages that have just reappeared in the index. They were for duplicate content Supplemental Results that Google appeared to throw away last month. I hoped that they had gone forever - now, just a month later, they are baaaack (but are not back in all datacentres)!

<edit>the pages that had been dropped for the last month now also appear with long titles in 64.233.187.x in just the last few minutes. The data is spreading.<edit>

[edited by: g1smd at 3:00 pm (utc) on June 17, 2006]


 2:53 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

To throw in my hat with some insight here...

One of my sites that had thousands of pages de-indexed during BigDaddy is now showing up again strongly. Not fully indexed yet, but number of pages indexed has gone from 64 to over 3500.

Stupid question: What is Copra? Is it the name of this update?


 3:21 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Copra was named by Hissingsid, it is the name of a particular set of results on some DC's. Some will call them bad whilst others including myself will call them good.

It is a refreshing set of new results that are not the stale, predictable, same ole same ole.

Long live Copra!


 3:48 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)


Brett Has chosen this thread as a Featured Home Page Discussion. Thanks Brett!
And of course; Congrats to all kind fellow Datacenters Watchers!

Back to those unpredicted DCs which has been the case for at least the last 6 months or so ;-)

Within the sector I watch (related to online advertising & marketing), I see the following DCs set represents to some extent more relevant search results


Of course, you might have different opinion than mine, depending upon which sector you watch.


 3:57 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Reseller,

Those are the sort of Copra that true Copraphages gobble up. Nice fresh steaming piles of Copra.



 4:46 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

"The fifth task set to Herakles was to clean the Augean stables in a single day"
or clean the MFA garbage
as about Copra ,look at


 5:08 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google is still showing URLs that are 301 redirected in my site:mustangevolution.com results. These 301 redirects have been on those urls for 8 months!


 5:17 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing some changes in the title as well. One of my sites is seeing a back link update as well this morning, I am sure page rank will soon follow.


 5:22 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> These 301 redirects have been on those urls for 8 months! <<

They will show the redirected URLs as Supplemental Results for several years, usually with a very old cache copy attached to them.

As long as the new URLs for the pages are indexed and do rank, and as long as anyone that clicks on any of those old links does get to the correct new page on your site, then you have nothing to worry about.


 5:45 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Somebody mentioned Florida, but these homepage missing issues seem more reminiscent of the Dominic/Esmeralda updates of earlier in 2003.

At that time, there were a lot of theories going around, but in the end all settled and homepages returned.

Having said that Florida hit a couple of months later....


 6:21 pm on Jun 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Same situation... Trying to get rid of items that have 301 redirected for over a year or so. They are showing up as supplemental with a cache date of June 2005.

I am also trying to get rid of a subdomain that no longer exists. Has been gone for over a year. However, the items are still showing up in supplemental.

If something shows in the supplemental - can it cause your site to have a penalty?


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