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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-17
g1smd




msg:738350
 11:13 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Continued from:
[webmasterworld.com...]


>> Homepage Gone <<

You need to check very carefully that it isn't indexed at an alternative URL:

domain.com/
www.domain.com/
domain.com/index.html
www.domain.com/index.html

For a lot of sites, some other variant is indexed and it can take a bit of searching to discover.

.

Also, make sure you are very intimate with all of these searches:

site:domain.com
site:domain.com -inurl:www
site:www.domain.com

because there are some hidden surprises (nasty ones) to be found there for many sites.

.

Oh yes, I do most of my searches with &num=100 on the Google URL, and I always check both with &filter=0 and without it.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:29 pm (utc) on June 17, 2006]

 

larryhatch




msg:738500
 8:52 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I like the turd results better myself.

Separate matter: Any speculation what the new Google DC in The Dalles, Oregon might be all about?

Is this just another way to distribute search muscle,
to cut power costs etc, or is it for something new? -Larry

toothake




msg:738501
 9:03 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

"what the new Google DC in The Dalles, Oregon might be all about? "
Let me tell you a riddle.Once was a man who tryed to cross a river with a tiny boat,he had a rabbit a bunch of carrots and a wolf .The boat had room only for the man and 1 of his items.Now you should know that if you live the wolf and the rabbit the wof will eat th rabbit if you live the rabbit and the carrots the rabbit will eat the carrots.Finally the man manage to bring all items to the other side one by one without anything lost ,how he did it? The solution IMHO is excactly what google is doing by travsfering old and new data to The Dalles?reindexing ,deindexing ,cleaning spam and all the rest of the new infrastructure of Big Daddy.I know the riddle but I let you find it by your selfs will be a nice break from DC watching.

petehall




msg:738502
 9:19 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Copra stable on the following 36 DCs as far as I can see:
64.233.161.104
64.233.161.107
64.233.161.147
64.233.161.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147
64.233.167.99
64.233.183.104
64.233.183.107
64.233.183.99
64.233.187.104
64.233.187.99
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.147
66.102.7.99
72.14.203.104
72.14.203.107
72.14.203.99
216.239.37.104
216.239.37.107
216.239.37.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.39.107
216.239.39.99
216.239.53.104
216.239.53.107
216.239.53.99
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.107
216.239.57.147
216.239.57.99
216.239.59.104
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.147
216.239.59.99
216.239.63.104

petehols




msg:738503
 9:22 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Toothake

Yeah I love the Copra. Finally I have found something in Google that I love again. It has been a long time.

Pete

toothake




msg:738504
 10:04 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Pete....you love copra? are you a
[orionnet.info...] .......? :)
I love beer anyway LOL.

toothake




msg:738505
 10:05 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

[orionnet.info...]

petehols




msg:738506
 10:23 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

toothache

100%

hehehe

Pete

Hissingsid




msg:738507
 11:43 am on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Separate matter: Any speculation what the new Google DC in The Dalles, Oregon might be all about?

Artificial Intellegence! [technology.guardian.co.uk...]

If you can't get the real thing get some artificial

Sid

toothake




msg:738508
 12:00 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hissingsid
did you read my msg #:152?
try to understand the riddle ,as about your naming copra to the test results I have to LOL because that name is related with
[orionnet.info...]
and maybe in your country you like COPRA but in my country we like beer.

Hissingsid




msg:738509
 12:28 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I'd drag the carrots over the back of the boat and the rabbit would swim after the carrots and the wolf would swim after the rabbit.

The idea of naming the results "Turd" and "Copra" was this: They are all crap results, just different types of crap.

Sid

Gimp




msg:738510
 12:52 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google has diverted Web Masters into watching data centers and reporting spam and in the process has clouded the true problem.

The cause of the problem with the search engine results is the abuse of AdSense and not the underlying algorithm.

Google can set guidelines all day long and there are those people who will ignore the guidelines. Everytime that Google makes a change to its algorithm someone will find a hole and make a lot of money with AdSense for a short period of time.

if Google wanted to really stop this it would put emphasis on cleaning up the spam AdSense sites from the AdSense side. It would be a simple matter of assigning people to look at the sites that have the largest AdSense income. Those sites could be reviewed and the sites that have spam involved could be simply removed from the AdSense system. Sites that complied with the Google Guidelines could be flagged and would not have to be reviewed often.

Any sites such as this billion page site would suddenly come on the radar scope and an AdSense person would hopefully note the sudden increase in AdSense income and review the site.

It does not seem that it would take that long for the reviewer's to knock off the largest spammers. Within a short time thousands of spam sites would be removed from the search engine results. As they started from the top down they would even eventually find that some of the big sites such as the news sites do not have to be reviewed for violation of the guidelines. With time they would start getting into the lower income spam sites and they would also get to them by removing them from AdSense.

Google has AdSense people now monitoring sites and canceling accounts. So the concept of monitoring should not be something new to them.

But such activity would cut into the Google AdSense income. So it is better for Google to let Web Masters go in circles chasing data centers by data center watching than to have Google look at the people abusing the AdSense system. As long as Web Masters keeps themselves going in circles about the lack of the success of the algorithm the Web Masters and Google will not look at the real problem which is Google AdSense.

Google might have some real problems if it cured the Google AdSense problem because that would cut into the Google income.

The horrible search engine results, gentlemen, is the symptom and not the problem. You are watching this symptoms when you are watching the data centers and you are not watching the problem. And Google is probably very happy to have you do that. Because if they cure the problem they are liable to cut into their income.

reseller




msg:738511
 2:06 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hissingsid

"The idea of naming the results "Turd" and "Copra" was this: They are all crap results, just different types of crap."

Don't know whether that has something to do with the vacation season of Google Search Quality Team ;-)

Long Vactions = Crap Results :-)

sandpetra




msg:738512
 2:51 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reminds me of a small business I used to be employed in - when I went on holiday, things turned to Turd.

Matt Cutts 'holiday' is a joke. He's purposely told us he's off somewhere not to be inundatted because he knew this was on the horizon.

The idea that a search engine geek, or any type of geek, especially one who works for Google, would take a six week break and not look at the internet for six weeks is laughable.

Powdork




msg:738513
 2:52 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

The cause of the problem with the search engine results is the abuse of AdSense and not the underlying algorithm.

Gimp, I said the same thing two days ago over in an adsense thread [webmasterworld.com]

Or, perhaps, Google could manually approve all domains running Adsense.
Problem is, that would be hugely expensive for them. Not so much from the resources required to run the program, but from the lost revenue as a result of the program's success.

Quite frankly, this would be the responsible thing for them to do. Adsense is literally choking the internet.


Maria444




msg:738514
 4:14 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

The idea that a search engine geek, or any type of geek, especially one who works for Google, would take a six week break and not look at the internet for six weeks is laughable.

I absolutely agree 1000% Sandpetra.

TheHoff




msg:738515
 4:19 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Two days ago Matt posted on the 5-billion page blog story about the same time Adam did with the same "bad data push" explanation.

whoisgregg




msg:738516
 4:41 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing a #6 result on 64.233.167.104 that has zero IBLs (according to Yahoo and Google) on a big money three word phrase (880K results).

Anyone else seeing top ten results that have no inbound links?

1984bb




msg:738517
 5:07 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

"I'm seeing a #6 result on 64.233.167.104 that has zero IBLs "
This is normal if that page (pobably new no PR and IBL yet) belongs to a long established high PR site.

fred9989




msg:738518
 6:15 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Two days ago Matt posted on the 5-billion page blog story about the same time Adam did with the same "bad data push" explanation"
***********
Where, please?
Rod

whoisgregg




msg:738519
 7:04 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing a #6 result on 64.233.167.104 that has zero IBLs (according to Yahoo and Google) on a big money three word phrase (880K results).
Anyone else seeing top ten results that have no inbound links?

"I'm seeing a #6 result on 64.233.167.104 that has zero IBLs "
This is normal if that page (pobably new no PR and IBL yet) belongs to a long established high PR site.

To clarify, the entire site has zero IBLs, not just the page that is appearing #6 (sometimes #7) for the search.

Can anyone sticky me a more comprehensive backlink checker than Yahoo's site explorer? I can't actually believe that the site has no IBLs and is ranking that high.

TheHoff




msg:738520
 7:10 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Where, please?

Stickied.

whoisgregg




msg:738521
 7:50 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

False alarm, MSN is reporting a backlink. I had forgotten about that lil' SE. ;)

There goes my faith in Yahoo! as being an impeccable source for link data. :/

reseller




msg:738522
 8:53 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

TheHoff

"Two days ago Matt posted on the 5-billion page blog story about the same time Adam did with the same "bad data push" explanation."

Maybe Matt is on vacation as far as posting on his own blog :-)

Miop




msg:738523
 3:02 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well it's been a year since my site went plop (due mainly to canonical issues I think), and no signs of improvement - worse than ever.
I still rank number one for a single phrase, and will never know why. I haven't watched DC's for some time. Just popped my head back in to see what was going on and feel so depressed already I think I'll just get back to what I was doing. :)

M_Bison




msg:738524
 3:21 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

copra is now showing on 44 of 56 mcdars DCs.

sandpetra




msg:738525
 4:39 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

For the first time I'm seeing my 'copra' site ranking on all dcs using mcdar.

Except on

64.233.189.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.9.107

Nearly there?

MLHmptn




msg:738526
 4:55 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Try the new McDar feature "C-Block" searches and you'll notice we're still not there. But getting closer! Google can I buy all of your employee's a beer?!

Time to start naming the update Brett! If this is not an update I don't know what is! Of course it hasn't been as radical in past updates but it surely must be something!

whitenight




msg:738527
 5:16 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> Of course it hasn't been as radical in past updates but it surely must be something!

Lol, that's an understatement! It's only taken <looks at watch, then calender> about 3 1/2 months. Possibly 6 if we're being technical.

sandpetra




msg:738528
 5:28 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing site:commands returning all my site pages on:

64.233.171.99

Not sure about other dcs.

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[edited by: tedster at 9:37 pm (utc) on June 21, 2006]

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