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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-09
g1smd




msg:756809
 9:21 pm on Jun 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

Now this is interesting.

A site with 40 000 "real" pages and some 80 000 duplicate content pages excluded using robots.txt (it's a forum - see my prior posts about vbulletin) and still some 80 000 duplicate pages that are not yet so excluded.

Additionally some 500 000 non-thread pages also excluded in robots.txt and most of those already delisted. The whole site is listed as www; nothing is listed as non-www at all.

Looking purely at indexed threads:

site:domain.com shows 90 000 www pages all as normal results; including some duplicate content that will eventually be excluded.

site:domain.com -inurl:www shows 24 000 www pages all of which are marked as Supplemental Results and all of which also have an old cache date. This search should show zero results. It certainly should not be showing www pages at all, the search was for "-inurl:www". What is going on?

[edited by: tedster at 8:44 pm (utc) on June 13, 2006]
[edit reason] split into new thread [/edit]

 

petehall




msg:757049
 12:57 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is the strangest thing from Google I've seen in about seven years I think... from memory.

g1smd




msg:757050
 12:59 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> What ever happened to this new Google guy, Adam? <<

According to his blog: travelling overseas (work related) from May 27 to June 11 or thereabouts.

I chatted with him at SES on June 1st and 2nd, and I expect that his first week back at work will have a major backlog of email and work so no forum time to be had at all.

As for Matt, he blogged that he was off for 6 weeks, and that was currently less than 4 weeks ago.

nicedude




msg:757051
 2:30 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

not ranking for their most obvious terms, but come up just fine with quotes

I have this problem with one of my sites, a strange thing is though, if I check on mcdar I'm gone for my main term, but there with quotes, at the same time if I don't use the mcdar tool and go straight to the datacentre ip address (64.233.161.107 ) in my browser, I'm back to where I was, top for my term.

My guess is that it is a bug, unless geo targetting is coming into play, as in where you are connecting from. I see this alot when I use country specific proxies in my browser, different results depending on where they think your connecting from.

Has anyone else noticed this with the mcdar tool and then tried connecting directly to the datacentre and your there again?

kneukm03




msg:757052
 2:44 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

The weird thing is that with quotes, my sites come up in similar positions as those comcast "mystery results" that periodically pop into Google but aren't on any datacenter. Think that set is an effort to fix this?

steveb




msg:757053
 2:57 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

The mcdar tool, searching by datacenter, searching search? version versus ie? version... these are all turning up different results, so like what was mentioned here a month or two ago, you simply can't pinpoint a result or a result set to a datacenter anymore. Usually a datacenter has the same basic group of results, but you really can't even count on that anymore.

nicedude




msg:757054
 3:40 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just read up on the "mystery results" conversation and see that your right about that steveb it does'nt appear as easy to pinpoint whats going on with the datacenters or datacenter groups any more.

So does anyone know how ODP titles fit into this mix, I was under the impression that if the ODP titles were used for a result, then every listing would have their ODP title showing, mine was not, but the others were.

I did recently put the MSN

<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOODP" />

tag in place, but thought this was only MSN specific, google would'nt be using this against us would they?

gosman




msg:757055
 4:14 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see this update as the GOOD the BAD and the UGLY.

The Good.
We got wiped out for our main keword and lost just 25% of our trafiic. Content, content, content.

The Bad.
Being wiped out completly for your main keyword.

The Ugly.
The state of the current SERPS.

M_Bison




msg:757056
 4:34 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

i'm seeing copra "float around" between 20-30 DCs. Whilst the amount of copra remains relatively constant the DCs showing copra vary greatly.

nicedude




msg:757057
 5:38 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Guess what I removed the MSN no ODP title tag just after my last post and I'm back on all datacenters for my term, surely this is not related.

Can anyone confirm if their missing term has sudenly come back?

In the last few hours..

jaffstar




msg:757058
 5:40 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Can anyone confirm if their missing term has sudenly come back?

Not here, site completely wiped out from most indexes.

I am finding that my homepage seems to be missing from rankings, sounds like an old problem google used to have.

[edited by: jaffstar at 5:52 am (utc) on June 16, 2006]

Whitey




msg:757059
 5:47 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

g1smd - thanks for the update on Adam.

Good hear that you made face to face contact g1smd - I'm restricted to the forum boards :)

-Is anyone seeing their page count re-instated over the last week?

We have one site that's caching and showing on the site:tool

A new site that's fully indexed inside 2 months has me perplexed versus our other established sites which just seem to sit "in suspense" with only a small proportion of pages cached.

steveb




msg:757060
 6:22 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

It seems to be getting worse, not better. More #1 results just disappearing completely, but appearing for quotations searches.

It's really unbelievable how half baked this update is.

I think I'd go to Kentucky for six weeks if I worked for Google....

CainIV




msg:757061
 6:28 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Traffic from Google less than 1/3 what it was only 4 days ago.

Thought I would mention this to lighten the hearts of other webmasters whos sites have lost about half :P

Results only slightly better than MSN at this point.

zoth




msg:757062
 6:41 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

gosman
"I see this update as the GOOD the BAD and the UGLY. ..."

I completely agree with you. I had a same experience.

gosman




msg:757063
 7:58 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of my competitors who got wiped the same time as me has just reappeared at #1 on half the datacenters. There could be hope yet.

Has anybody else who has been wiped for their term widget also been wiped for allinanchor:widget

M_Bison




msg:757064
 8:02 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

in the past few months our site has been wiped a few times for our most important keyword, which we rank in the top 3 for.

Luckily this has only been for a less than a day at a time.

petehols




msg:757065
 8:17 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi and Good Morning to all

I am still showing copra results on 33 of the DCs. I don't think this is going to sort itself out for a long while. I just wish someone from the Googleplex would stop by and explain what is going on cause its doing ma head in.

Pete

jaffstar




msg:757066
 8:47 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

as anybody else who has been wiped for their term widget also been wiped for allinanchor:widget

Yes...

I wonder why its only affecting some of our sites.

Hissingsid




msg:757067
 9:00 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I wonder if there is something massive going on and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

[technology.guardian.co.uk...]

Sid

Hissingsid




msg:757068
 10:04 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

There's something wierd going on with the allin filters.

On 72.14.203.104, a turd DC, for all of these searches

allinanchor:blue widgets
allintitle:blue widgets
allintext:blue widgets

The top 9 remain the same and are the same as the Copra results for blue widgets in each of these searches.

On google.co.uk (216.239.59.104) a Copra DC
allinanchor:blue widgets is the same as the standard search and the same as the above.
allintitle:blue widgets The site at #3 loses its indented listing.
allintext:blue widgets The pages at #1 and at #7 drop out of the top 100 (I stopped looking at 100) and some extra indented listings appear.

When I go directly to 216.239.59.104 or google.com at the same DC IP allintext:blue widgets is the same as the standard search for blue widgets. ie the #1 and #7 still appear.

On 64.233.161.147 a Copra DC
allinanchor:blue widgets #1 drops out, indents disappear
allintitle:blue widgets same as standard results
allintext:blue widgets same as standard results

There is something clearly wrong here. How can one DC have a page #1 for allinanchor and another not list the page at all?

Also the .co.uk filter on allintext is a bit odd don't you think?

The worrying thing for me is the fact that my page is the one at #1 that erroneously drops out.

Can anyone here confirm or deny these findings?

Any comments?

Sid

Dayo_UK




msg:757069
 10:23 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hissingsid

Have you also noticed that keywords on an allinanchor are not bolded in the Copra results.

This only normally happens when it is a supplemental result that is being returned (although these arent supplemental results - well at least not marked or cached as such)

zeus




msg:757070
 10:51 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm that is the first time I have seen that, now my domain name(index page) gone and the rest is supplemental, I think now I have seen it all.

First the site got hit by the redirecting googlebug 302, then hijacked, thne the non www issue and now the index page is gone, the site is as clean as it gets, not even exchanging links.

ramachandra




msg:757071
 11:29 am on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm that is the first time I have seen that, now my domain name(index page) gone and the rest is supplemental, I think now I have seen it all.
First the site got hit by the redirecting googlebug 302, then hijacked, thne the non www issue and now the index page is gone, the site is as clean as it gets, not even exchanging links.

Ditto for my site too, index page is not showing when searched using site: command and this is since yesterday.

jaffstar




msg:757072
 12:43 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am not getting found in allinanchor and allintext, where 3 days ago I used to.

Anyone else seeing this >?

petehall




msg:757073
 12:48 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

OK, the odd variant of Copra results is disappearing and I'm now seeing the Corpa results on 26 DCs (with the odd one flickering on/off).

Looks a bit more stable / consistent... if those are the right words to use :)

sandpetra




msg:757074
 12:51 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

What dcs are now showing copra?

petehols




msg:757075
 12:59 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

hi

I have the copra on 31 DCs now not all of them are stable though but it seems that some of the copra results have spread to the "turd" DCs and vice versa.

Pete

petehall




msg:757076
 1:05 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

These ones (now 27)... unless I have my Copra's and Turd's mixed up :)

66.102.7.147
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.161.107
64.233.161.147
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147
64.233.183.99
64.233.183.104
64.233.183.107
64.233.187.99
64.233.187.104
216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.39.107
216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104
216.239.53.107
216.239.57.99
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.107
216.239.59.99
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.104
216.239.59.147
216.239.63.104

Hissingsid




msg:757077
 2:50 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Petehall,

Having checked a sample of those I would say that they are Copra. There do however appear to be two flavours of Copra appearing.

For example 64.233.167.99 and 64.233.161.147 are slightly different.

Sid

Hissingsid




msg:757078
 2:53 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have you also noticed that keywords on an allinanchor are not bolded in the Copra results.

I had not spotted that but on rechecking, yes you are right.

Sid

steveb




msg:757079
 7:17 pm on Jun 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is just too weird. Pages removed looking at McDar in ie? mode move up a half dozen spots to #2 viewing in search? mode. Using mcdar is deceptive now. The regular datacenter search page will usually display different results.

I don't know why you guys keep refering to two data sets. There are at least ten out there now.

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