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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-09

 9:21 pm on Jun 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now this is interesting.

A site with 40 000 "real" pages and some 80 000 duplicate content pages excluded using robots.txt (it's a forum - see my prior posts about vbulletin) and still some 80 000 duplicate pages that are not yet so excluded.

Additionally some 500 000 non-thread pages also excluded in robots.txt and most of those already delisted. The whole site is listed as www; nothing is listed as non-www at all.

Looking purely at indexed threads:

site:domain.com shows 90 000 www pages all as normal results; including some duplicate content that will eventually be excluded.

site:domain.com -inurl:www shows 24 000 www pages all of which are marked as Supplemental Results and all of which also have an old cache date. This search should show zero results. It certainly should not be showing www pages at all, the search was for "-inurl:www". What is going on?

[edited by: tedster at 8:44 pm (utc) on June 13, 2006]
[edit reason] split into new thread [/edit]



 3:07 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)


It is now 24 Copra 31 Turd.

The movements in the DCs datasets/algo appears to be random. The only consistent thing is that the 72.* DCs don't seem to have ever had the new results on them.

Where in the World is served by 72.*?



 3:20 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)


Im down to 23 for copra here



 3:41 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)


All looks turd results to me - I can see the differences between the two but it looks very similar to what happened to one of my sites for a while last year - it was sort of stuck in limbo with some DCs showing a slightly different set.

Eg. I think this is what people might be seeing between the "turd" and the "copra" set - especially as they have been around for what - 3/4 weeks?

However, we must be getting close to a data refresh or proper update soon.......


 3:49 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Time for some Pepto Bismal or xLax to clean this thread out.


 3:52 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

New filter thrown on Copra. One of my sites I watch went from 1/2 to about 40. It's 4/5 on turd.

It hasn't been off front page in ... never.

White hat original site with one dodgy feature : has a bunch of one-ways from Link-Vault. No outbounds just inbounds.

See if it comes back.


 3:55 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing no changes in copra but now up to 28 DCs show copra results



 3:58 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>name which represented a more upmarket kind of crap ;)<<<

I know Sid, I just chimmed in for some diversification and I know it’s against the toes

Personally I don’t like any of the craps. I’m not around here too often and I’m wondering, what happened to “Matt’s DC (remember? As a user, I do prefer the results I’m seeing there. Or is this absolutely obsolete.

Or is it that Matt’s with the cats and the rats are googling -I mean on vacation


 3:58 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>Where in the World is served by 72.*? <<<

Sid-my default google is and I imagine you can guess my location.


 4:05 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey shows same results as "Matt's DC",, aren't you pleased with those ones - I am.


 4:12 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

hi maria

sorry according to the input they are showing the "turd" results. But hey can't make everyone happy.



 4:17 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now I'm confused Pete, do you mean and are showing turd results? Is it possible that we're seeing different results on specific dcs?

Can you tell me if for you the above two dcs are showing identical results, please?


 4:23 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Maria

They are showing very similar results not identical but they are being served by the "turd" results DCs.



 4:29 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks Pete, then the turds are not visible over here - we're on, however, I find the turds to be a lot better than kopra (oh I hate that word but we need to communicate...)


 4:46 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is google playing with the numbers?

I mean - one dc has 15 million results on day, another day has 70 million and another 150 million.

Hence why I'm going up and down like a yoyo.

Is google testing and preparing to slash the number of results 'found' and testing out lower numbers found clickthrus and percieved satisfaction and relevence?

The lower numbers do seem relevent to me.


 5:43 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Sandpetra

I am seeing that also on my keyword search aswell gone from 13 mill to 25 mill now sitting at 35 mill but I am not moving position so maybe I am one of the lucky ones.



 5:54 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Petehols

I'm trying to captrue keywords I didnt rank for.

At present I'm nowhere but every now and again I pop up.


 6:38 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)


While doing some searching for the word which describes people who are followers of a major Western religion I noticed some unusual results.

When I search on which is my current default google.co.uk DC I see a straight forward serps page.

When I search on www.google.co.uk the page is split up. At the top is a link to a map then there are 4 results as normal. Then a thin blue line and three uncached results on a broader term followed by a thin blue line and 3 normal results.

When I do the same search on www.google.com which is I get the normal 10 listings I would expect to see on a normal SERP.

I've tried this using terms which describe the followers of other faiths but this does not work.

If you search for the term which describes the office held by George Bush on www.google.co.uk you will see what I mean, but perhaps only if you are in the UK.



 6:45 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

That UI experiment has been ongoing for several months on various random searches at random times.


 6:55 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Sid

I see what you mean I haven't seen that before but maybe they use it for very heavy keywords but I have tried other searches and can't find any instance on it.

On another topic My default google search has changed to this DC and it is the "turd" results. Why can't they just choose one set and display that to everyone this is a nightmare.



 8:44 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

How do Google partners like Comcast and Earthlink factor in? I'm seeing my site show up for the first time when searching on these sites, but not on any of the DCs mentioned in this thread.

Do Google partners have their own special DCs? Are they usually first or last when a change happens, or are they always different?

Thanks for any insight.


 9:11 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

J.Arthour.....? :)


 10:06 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a new name for this phenomena, the Amazon update.

The kopra dc's (who came up with that?) seem to have amazon book pages showing up in many more top 20 results than ever before.

Thus, if you searched for widget, within the top 20 - 30 reulsts will be a book from amazon that has widget in the title.

Does anyone else see/notice/feel this?


 10:50 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yea. Amazon and Wiki are doing very well with the Copra (is that like the italian card game Copa?) DCs


 10:58 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have noticed this trend since early April.

Amazon and other mega sites are dominating the search results (at least for our sites and key words). This is particularly true where retail products are concerned.

Do others see the same trend in non-(product/service) sites?


 11:00 pm on Jun 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not only is wiki doing well, they seem to have a stable position on the DC's. For a certain query in my niche, there are wiki pages in position 5 and 6. Position 1, 2 and 3 are taken by three authority sites which have been there the last three years at least. The positions 4, 7, 8, 9 and 10 are changing every time I look and on different DC groups, but the wiki pages seem to be glued.

Google seems confident that the authority pages should stay at #1, #2 and #3 and the wikipages belong on position #5 and #6. It looks like Google is now testing randomly which other sites should be placed on the remaining locations.


 12:31 am on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anyone live out there and been watching this Google datacentre being built?


Maybe when this comes online some of the current problems might be solved?


 1:59 am on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

For those of you with the site that has ranked for several years and now have it disappearing, are you coming back when appending &filter=0?

This is absolutely confusing. As an authority site that is vanishing on the below DCs, we're naturally concerned.


 2:07 am on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)


Yup, still gone with the filter.


 2:17 am on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is interesting Tigrou.

Do you still rank for other phrases? The site in question for me is still #1 for the plural form of the phrase on the DCs, but just disappears for the singular form -- are the DCs the same ones you disappear for, or are you seeing something else?

I'm having a hard time getting to what I consider the 'bad' results; I have to snake through McDar's tool just to see.


 3:35 am on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

JoeSinkwitz msg #:177, this set is the worst crap I have EVER seen! I don’t know how to call it, it isn’t kopra nor turd, but something else perhaps “skata”

On the sector I watch here’s what I see on the first page:
- A site selling products – only products
- A list with “Click a letter below” and a bunch of links ONLY – NO content whatsoever!
- A .gov page
- A site with not much content either and links pages pointing (among others) to casino sites, etc (TOTALLY irrelevant, that is)
- A dir.yahoo.com page
- Amazon
- Wikipedia

Site which formerly was ranking #1 (purely informational) is now on 6th page. We're also on page 6.

Congratulations, Google, now go build the new two computing centers, in The Dalles, Ore and get back the results showing on Matt’s DC – seems like you can’t do both at the same time (building computer centers and search results)


 4:17 am on Jun 15, 2006 (gmt 0)


Spot on. We don't rank for our main term blue widgets but we do rank first page for aqua widgets which most people would consider a synonym.

Noticed that for the "blue widget" term they are not showing our homepage but instead the contact-us.html page and a random internal page. They do, of course, rank our homepage for the aqua widget.

Ahh Google you crazy little monkey. Past midnight so off to bed and maybe some sleepy pixey dust will fix it all.

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