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Should I start over? Banned Site? Opinion Please
New URL Gone Wrong
mlong

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 9:51 pm on Jun 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have been working and adding content to a web site for the last 6 months to get it ready for launch. My site is designed for the user not search engines. I hired an expert in the field and wrote a few small web apps that will help the user find information.

When I type the URL into Google directly I get:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL: www.mysite.com

I can still find the files with

site: and link:

Here is what caused the problem. The site used to index in Google. I bought a new URL that I liked because it was smaller and 301 redirected the site to my new URL. It took both sites out of Google. I then tried to 301 redirect back to my original URL. Now both sites are banned.

I have two options.

1. Wait - Maybe the site will come back. I really can not tell if it is banned.

2. Abandon both of my URLs. Pick a third URL and move all my content to the third URL.

What should I do?

 

sotoweb

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 1:42 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey seems you have been affected by the 301 aswell.

I am still waiting for google to pick up the redirection, it has been 3 months now and still no luck. Yahoo and MSN picked it up within a week...

I am also wondering on what to do but buying another domain should not be the answer something must be going on at Google with 301's

seoArt

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 1:58 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do you guys have any decent links going to these sites?

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 34640 posted 2:04 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

mlong, Welcome to WebmasterWorld!

I bought a new URL that I liked because it was smaller and 301 redirected the site to my new URL. It took both sites out of Google.

Was it brand new? Or was it used?

sotoweb

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 2:09 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I have pretty much a nice flow of decent links pointing in. My old domain still also has a PR5 so I am thinking to also remove the 301 as I have restructured new site so Google do not give me a penalty for double content.

seoArt

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 2:12 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sticky me the url.

sotoweb

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 2:17 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

have done so... thnx

seoArt

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 2:42 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Your 301 from the old site is appears to be working fine. There should be no duplicate content issues unless your content is somewhere other than the 2 url's you stickied me.

Your site appears to have good content that has relatively friendly url's, so there's no problem there. Your site is also well-designed and user firendly. I wouldn't change anything unless you are trying to target some really competetive search terms.

The only weakness I can see is a lack of quality links pointing to the new domain, but your links pointing to the old domain are very good. Is the content much different on the two sites (old & new)?

I would be more patient. I think it will take a little while longer for the Goo God to give the new domain credit for all your links to the old domain (assuming that both sites are related in content - which it appears that they are).

A good faith thing to do would be to work on building quality links to the new domain - showing google that this too, is a quality site worthy of high rankings!

Don't give up yet. It has been my experience that things sometimes happen slowly in Google World.

sotoweb

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 2:52 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey thanks very much for you help. Very much apriciated. I was just very concerned as it has been pretty much a while since I done the 301.

In regards to the content old content is the new content all that was changed was the websites name from the old domain to the new domain - everything else is exactly as it was.

So I should just stick with the 301 then?

Thanks again.

pageoneresults

WebmasterWorld Senior Member pageoneresults us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 2:58 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Your 301 from the old site is appears to be working fine.

Did you check the server headers and make sure that a 301 was being returned?

Your site appears to have good content that has relatively friendly url's, so there's no problem there.

What is relatively friendly? Can you provide an example without using specifics?

www.example.com/keyword-keyword/keyword-keyword/file.html

The only weakness I can see is a lack of quality links pointing to the new domain, but your links pointing to the old domain are very good.

Does the same also apply with Yahoo! and MSN?

I would be more patient. I think it will take a little while longer for the Goo God to give the new domain credit for all your links to the old domain (assuming that both sites are related in content - which it appears that they are).

Good advice. Especially if you've done all of this in the past 12 months.

A good faith thing to do would be to work on building quality links to the new domain - showing google that this too, is a quality site worthy of high rankings!

I wouldn't get too carried away with the link thing. If the site is worthy of links, they will come naturally. Of course you'll want to establish a few high quality solid foundation links to keep a steady flow of juice as some may say. ;)

Don't give up yet. It has been my experience that things sometimes happen slowly in Google World.

When thinking Google, think long term.

sotoweb

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 3:08 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does the same also apply with Yahoo! and MSN?

No MSN and Yahoo picked up the redirection within a week.

What is relatively friendly? Can you provide an example without using specifics?

www.mydomain.com/music-news-today.htm

Did you check the server headers and make sure that a 301 was being returned?

I don't really know what that is?

pageoneresults

WebmasterWorld Senior Member pageoneresults us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 3:15 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't really know what that is?

That question was directed to seoArt since they were kind enough to perform a site review for you via Sticky Mail which may be against the TOS here at WebmasterWorld. ;)

How did you set up the 301 redirect? Are you using some sort of parked domain setup and a redirect from the Registrar?

mlong, where are you? This is your topic...

[edited by: pageoneresults at 3:16 pm (utc) on June 6, 2006]

seoArt

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 3:15 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Did you check the server headers and make sure that a 301 was being returned?<<

Yes.

>>What is relatively friendly? Can you provide an example without using specifics?<<

Not heavy on query strings. "?id=" etc. there are a some links on his site with question marks, but they are the type I have seen get indexed.

>>Does the same also apply with Yahoo! and MSN?<<
I looked up backlinks on Yahoo, but not MSN. (It's a waste of time imho to look up backlinks on Google)

>>Good advice. Especially if you've done all of this in the past 12 months.<<

>>I wouldn't get too carried away with the link thing.If the site is worthy of links, they will come naturally. Of course you'll want to establish a few high quality solid foundation links to keep a steady flow of juice as some may say. ;) <<

That's what I meant.

>>When thinking Google, think long term. <<

Yes.

seoArt

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 3:21 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

TOS - Sorry, I felt really bad for this guy :) Didn't know TOS will review it.

>> www.mydomain.com/music-news-today.htm <<

Above is the ultimate friendly url, but url's that friendly aren't a requirement for good rankings. The main thing is that you need to be able to get indexed.

Another thing you can do is the Google sitemaps thing - type in Google "google sitemaps"

sotoweb

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 3:29 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Again thank you. I have been trying to get answers for the past three months and no one could come with detailed answers as I have found here. I am very greatful.

I created a google sitemaps and it tells me my site has been crawled and shows me the urls.

You know, Im just an odinary guy who setup a website 5 years ago and decided to change name this year, I did not know it would have such a big impact on my site. We learn something new everyday.

This post was started by "mlong" but I am sure he will be able to pick up something from this as I am having exactly the same problem he is having.

pageoneresults

WebmasterWorld Senior Member pageoneresults us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 3:58 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I have pretty much a nice flow of decent links pointing in. My old domain still also has a PR5 so I am thinking to also remove the 301 as I have restructured new site so Google do not give me a penalty for double content.

You don't want to remove the 301 now. You'll only create more delays. Give it a few more months (if you can wait) and I'm almost certain it will sort itself out if you've got everything set up correctly and that can sometimes be a BIG IF. ;)

You'll most likely keep that 301 in place for a few years. If the site was online for five years, it's going to take some time for those inbound links to get updated, etc. That type of 301 redirect is indefinite. :)

mlong

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 5:57 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry I did not get back sooner. I had an angry client to deal with.

My old domain has some good links but I control all of the inbound links - they come from my clients (PR5).

I could get the links to switch to the new domain. I have been waiting 4 months for this redirect problem to get sorted out. I am tired of waiting.

I think the best plan might be to:

1. Block all spiders from the old site with robots.txt. Make sure it disappears from all search engines.

2. Wait a month

3. Add all the content to a new URL.

4. Redirect links to the new URL.

5. Spend $10,000 on marketing to get the new domain moving.

What do you think? I would be more likely to keep the old domain if I couldn't move the links. My biggest fear is that I spend my marketing money on a blocked domain. That would put me out of business.

mlong

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 5:59 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

How long do you think I should wait for the old site to disappear from the search engine. Will I be in danger of having my content counted twice?

pageoneresults

WebmasterWorld Senior Member pageoneresults us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 6:18 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I could get the links to switch to the new domain.

I would have recommended that at the time of the change to the new domain name.

1. Block all spiders from the old site with robots.txt. Make sure it disappears from all search engines.

You can use Google's URI Removal Tool in this instance. The old site will be gone within 24-48 hours doing this.

Did you also set up 301's for all the old pages to the new pages?

2. Wait a month

That may not be long enough.

3. Add all the content to a new URL.

I wouldn't.

4. Redirect links to the new URL.

That's mandatory.

5. Spend $10,000 on marketing to get the new domain moving.

That would surely help in the short term.

mlong

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 8:40 pm on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why wouldn't you move the content? If the other site is removed that would give me only one copy of the content.

I have 1000 words of original content per page + a couple of RSS feeds.

I am using Carp for the RSS feeds but maybe I shouldn't do that. Do you knoiw anything about CARP? I am also using REST for pulling data and a little AJAX. Are their any known problems with these technologies for SEO?

I am scared to spend that 10,000 if the URL is banned.

McClaw

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 10:34 am on Jun 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here's how I did my last domain transfer.

First I had a free blog.

Once I saw that it was generating money, I created a site as a subfolder on one of my higher ranking websites. I also changed the blog posts to only headlines and a 'read more' type of thing pointing to the full articles on the subfolder.

A few months later I saw that the site was making enough money to warrant its own url so I copied the files to the new website, and redirected (301) the folder to the new domain.

I also changed the links on the free blog to point to the new domain's pages and any other links I could find on the net.

I experienced only one week of the sandbox, and traffic has been steadily climbing.

I suggest you change the links to the new url, and wait.

sotoweb

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34640 posted 4:50 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Mlong, how is it going? Any luck?

I have just now been indexed by Google after 3 agonising months... (Thanks to all that helped with suggestions on WW)

Seems you just have to be patient with 301s...

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