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Google's site: query returns bad results - now being fixed
hyphenated domains and trailing slash get incorrect results
Adam_Lasnik




msg:752566
 10:46 pm on May 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey everyone,

My colleague Vanessa just posted a note which should hopefully make your weekend a less stressful one :).

Specifically, she's noted that we've had some issues with our "site:" operator [sitemaps.blogspot.com] not returning appropriate results when used with hyphenated domains... so it's quite likely that much of the falloff you've seen is thankfully illusory.

We've noted similar discrepancies with site: searches using domains with a trailing slash as well.

And yes, Googlers are working to correct this stuff as quickly as possible!

 

g1smd




msg:752567
 11:13 pm on May 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmmm, just 55 hours from first complaint on WebmasterWorld to Google's acknowledgement of the problem.

That is pretty darn quick. Hope the fix is just as rapid...

< admin note - this thread began at his address:
[webmasterworld.com...] >

[edited by: tedster at 5:12 am (utc) on May 21, 2006]

g1smd




msg:752568
 11:48 pm on May 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that the site: searches with a trailing / seem to be returning only "normal" results, and are omitting the "supplemental results" each time.

F_Rose




msg:752569
 2:44 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Our site is hyphenated and we are definetely missing pages in your index. We only have 24 pages indexed out of 400.

We have recently launched a new redesign so we own a more SE freindly and user freindly site.

We surely did not expect this to happen.

Hope by fixing the bug we get all of our pages indexed again.

Thanks Google for taking care of this issue!

montefin




msg:752570
 6:55 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

g1smd wrote:

"It seems to me that the site: searches with a trailing / seem to be returning only "normal" results, and are omitting the "supplemental results" each time."

That's how it seems here also, g1smd.

Right now, site:www.mydomain.com/ produces 23 regular current results with May 2006 cache dates -- no supplementals.

site:www.mydomain.com produces 21 regular results with May 2006 cache dates and 185 supplemental results with circa July 20, 2005 cache dates.

According to Vanessa Fox's posting, the bugs have frozen their refreshing supplemental results. She foresees being "back to normal" in a few days.

I'm hoping that normal will be actual currently crawled results replacing all those old supplementals. It almost seems like they lost most of the current cached copies, and are plugging in archieved versions until they can recrawl everything.

Whitey




msg:752571
 7:16 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is it just hyphenated domains, or are hyphenated URL's effected as well?

e.g. www.mysite.com/United-States/

Powdork




msg:752572
 8:03 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well now, that would have a hyphenated url AND a trailing slash, causing the universe to implode. Please don't try that search.;)

joergnw10




msg:752573
 10:18 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Even if the current supplemental results will be replaced with the real version of the pages, that still means that only 20% of my site would be indexed and the rest got lost somewhere (intentionally or by accident).

jrs_66




msg:752574
 11:32 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

This hyphenated domain think has been fixed quite some time ago. Your loss of pages has nothing to do with this red herring. Are you in denial? Your pages are gone... for real.

BillyS




msg:752575
 11:48 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Hmmm, just 55 hours from first complaint on WebmasterWorld to Google's acknowledgement of the problem.

Glad it's being fixed, but I know that I mentioned this problem back on March 4th [webmasterworld.com]

So they could have been working on it for months. I posted again on May 2nd [webmasterworld.com]and djmick200 also confirmed my observation when posting here [webmasterworld.com]. Hope the fix is coming soon.

kamran mohammed




msg:752576
 12:51 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks to Adam for posting the update on hyphenated domains.

Now what about the domains which are of one word and still have the problem that all the pages have been dropped leaving only 3 pages when used site query.

Does this also has same problem or some bug with Google or is this the result of an update.

Please post your replies on this issues.

Thanks in advance.

crobb305




msg:752577
 3:56 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is this just a problem that is affecting the site: operator, or is there some larger problem that also affects the ranking of these urls?

C

[added]I just read the rest of the article and it answered my question. Sorry for posting my question before I read deeper [/added]

kamran mohammed




msg:752578
 4:23 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

If this is just the Site operator problem then that was Ok. But what's worst is that all the pages which was indexed has been disappeared and so the rankings related to those pages too.

But crobb - could you please also post the link where you were reading the article and you got the answer so that even we'll be at peace. That would be much appreciated.

Thanks

BillyS




msg:752579
 5:04 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've got one of those hyphenated domains (single hypen), I've been dropping pages but see a big lift on

[72.14.209.104...] Anyone else or is this just a freaky DC for me.

tigger




msg:752580
 5:08 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

on that DC with a single hyphenated domain I'm showing 260 where as the others are 224 from a 600 page site so a slight improvement - I'll start jumping up and down when its more like 95% of the site

joergnw10




msg:752581
 5:08 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I got 135 instead of 55 listed there, but the extra pages are all supplemental (better then de-indexed I guess. I don't have a hyphen in my domain)

crobb305




msg:752582
 5:13 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

kamran mohammed,

The article [sitemaps.blogspot.com] says "This bug doesn't involve any pages being dropped from the index. It's the site: operator that isn't working properly. "

kaled




msg:752583
 5:40 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's not quite the same thing but until the site: operator is fixed, you can search with inurl:"www.your-domain.com" but you may have to click the repeat the search... link.

Kaled.

g1smd




msg:752584
 5:45 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

If the "repeat this search.." link appears quickly, then the pages are deemed to be very similar or duplicates.

If you have this, then now is a good time to sanity-check your title tags and every meta description too.

They must be different on every page, and the text should represent exactly what is on that page.

BillyS




msg:752585
 7:54 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>http://72.14.209.104/ Anyone else or is this just a freaky DC for me.

No, something's definately being fixed on this DC. I've got 850 on there compared to 650 elsewhere. Another 100 or so since the first time I posted this.

g1smd




msg:752586
 7:59 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm, at least some "quoted searches" also drop all the Supplemental Results too.

F_Rose




msg:752587
 8:07 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

We have lost most of our pages. It does not seem that this bug being fixed is going to help us too much.

We have a hyphenated site, but most of our pages are lost in the index..

I don't think by fixing this bug it will have any affect on our pages that dropped out of Google's index.

kaled




msg:752588
 8:32 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

If the "repeat this search.." link appears quickly, then the pages are deemed to be very similar or duplicates.

If you have this, then now is a good time to sanity-check your title tags and every meta description too.


NOPE - it just means you're using Google rather than a search engine that actually works properly.

Kaled.

bsaric




msg:752589
 8:43 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

As much i can see from my domains, new sites or sites with small number of links or with links from new sites or with links from low quality sites has problems with droping from index. So solution to get them back is get more quality links, which i did try, and its working for me. Also try not to link irelevant sites. (forget free directories, forget sites that don't offer nothing or heavy reciprocal linking)

I can't say that problem is not having unique title's or meta's or something like that. Or site: command, maybe its not working or its fixed or whatever but its not connected with droping pages from index.

berrysharpie




msg:752590
 8:53 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I hope others might be starting to see the same but this morning our site was down to just under 600 pages and checking again this afternoon, Google seems to have around 25,100 pages indexed.

We do have a hyphenated domain name (www.my-site.com) and our number of pages indexed had been going down dramatically over the past couple of weeks.

The numbers still seem to be fluctuating but hopefully the gain in indexed pages is a sign that things are getting patched up with this issue.

I hope others might be seeing this as well with their sites.

*fingers crossed*

Berry

Whitey




msg:752591
 10:00 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

[webmasterworld.com...]

" Adam Lasnik at Google - Let's find a way to communicate "

Some of you might be interested in Adam's comments here on communicating problems back to Google.

If only there was some acknowledgement of the main issues on Google.

Page indexing , IBL's and effected results

crobb305




msg:752592
 11:15 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

" Adam Lasnik at Google - Let's find a way to communicate "

We have been trying to "communicate" for years. Report after report, email after email, post after post, and we are still here in 2006 with these problems.

A start would be for the datacenters to get in line. There are so many inconsistencies and it makes the end user very frustrated when they can't find the pages they are looking for.

Regarding this site: operator problem...is it really that significant? If it isn't a bug that is going to affect the ranking of pages, then what is the fuss about? They need to get on with real "Big Daddy" and other indexing issues, IMHO.

g1smd




msg:752593
 11:24 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm, I don't think that it is just searches for hyphenated domains in site: searches that fail.

I have reason to believe that certain other hyphenated searches also fail in subtle ways too.

Try looking for pages that contain a hyphenated email address by using that email address, or part of that email address, as the search query.

See what happens if you replace the hyphen with a space. Yes, more pages are returned. Those extra pages are Supplemental Results and do contain the wanted phrase.

That is different to how it used to work.

vincevincevince




msg:752594
 1:15 am on May 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am curious not about the fact that the bug has been identified, but by what caused it in the first place. Was Google (experimentally) targetting hyphenated domain names?

tedster




msg:752595
 1:39 am on May 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Don't know that we'll ever know the specific details -- but the fact that there was also a bug related to the slash issue seems to say "no". It certainly is evidence of the complexity of the back end code at Google.

We tend to think about things we don't know about in detail as a "black box". In our minds it's just "put in this kind of input, and xyz will come out, but never mind how." In this case, the site: operator black box is clearly a lot more complex than a domain name index and the "number of urls" as a related field. But that is how we tend to think of it.

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