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Google Notebook goes live
Brett_Tabke




msg:715083
 12:36 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

[itweek.co.uk...]

Google's Notebook service, which allows web users to store and compile links to web sites, favourites, and snippets of information while browsing, went live last week as a beta.

...Notebook allows access the clippings file via the status bar of the user’s browser. Text and images can be saved, along with the domain from which they came. Users will need a Google or Gmail username and password; and Firefox users will need to download version 1.5 of the browser.


https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=notebook

 

eWhisper




msg:715084
 1:43 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

After playing with this for a bit, it looks like a pretty useful product. It does have a slicker browser implementation than most other products from Google, with the notepad icon integrated into the browser as well as a right click browser implementation.

However, Google really needs to start offering options to add items to the right click menu and not just hard code it into every product. It's a pain going into the registry to remove toolbar options, notes options, etc from the right click menu every time Google launches a new product. I think the most work I do on friend's computers is removing Google right click menu registry items to the point its just easier to uninstall the Google product.

Unfortunately, it's still dependent on a Google account to work - so many of us who log into different Google accounts for advertising purposes can't stay logged into the system to use this product.

When is Google going to tie email, calendar, notes, gtalk, favorites, etc together with a nice overlay and integrate them all with each other?

willmullis




msg:715085
 2:08 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow, this is the coolest products that Google has come out with.

I have two thoughts.

1. From a user standpoint this is a great tool. It is so versitile that it can store any type of information you can dream up.

2. From a webmaster standpoint it is scary. Now a user can visit your site, copy whatever info they want and store it in their notebook. There is no real need to bookmark anymore, if the content is not going to change, just swipe it and they will never have to return.

Halfdeck




msg:715086
 2:38 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

It took me forever to find where to download the extension. In case anyone else is looking, you'll find it under /notebook/download/

wmuser




msg:715087
 2:49 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

It seems to be pretty useful for users and Google will "benefit" from it by learning users prefrences
Maybe they will even make a number links to a particular website a part of pagerank since users are not bots and if they add the link to their favorites..

joco




msg:715088
 3:02 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I really prefer backpackit. I find it easier to use, more attractive, better features.

Also, this Google notebook is a direct ripoff of Backpackit. That's lame. If you're a big company that's going to steal a little company's idea, at least enhance it before you release it. That's starting to make me think of Google the same way I think of Microsoft, Amazon, McDonald's, Wal Mart, Coors; addictive, unsympathetic, cruel. I mean they've been a big company for a long while but now they're really starting to act like one.

I don't have the love for this Internet stuff anymore. I'll keep working here but I'm going to start spending my freetime gardening.

Later,
JoCo

mcmoxie




msg:715089
 3:33 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Direct rip-off?

I don't see reminders or to-do's in Notebook. In backpackit, try copying and pasting text AND images AND website address one stroke like Notebook.

dmorison




msg:715090
 3:42 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Very slick!

Just migrated all my favorites into subject matter "notebooks" and done away with the bookmarks toolbar and browser bookmarks; and now have an identical FireFox environment on my desktop and laptop :)

Ok, I know this has been semi-possible with del.icio.us and live bookmarks etc. for some time, and there are complaints on other forums about the lack of tagging; but IMHO I think an automated classification is the way to go.

My only gripe so far: The Notebook popup in the browser doesn't maintain state. I want the notebook list to stay open, but it closes each time I minimise the popup.

aleksl




msg:715091
 3:43 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Most technology ventures fail because technologists manage them. Technologists think their business is the creation of of cool technologies loaded with wonderful new features. They think that because they are engineers who thrill to the idea of change. However, in reality technology is widely hated by its users, because ordinary folk loathe change. Therefore any new artifact, no matter how much its various features appeal to technologists, will always be rejected by its intended customers unless "the pain of moving to a new technology is lower than pain of staying in the status quo"

Not my words

PaulPA




msg:715092
 6:01 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Anytime you save clippings from a webpage, your Google Notebook will automatically save the address."

A new way to spread links?

crobb305




msg:715093
 6:32 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Can Google Notebooks affect the ranking of websites? What are the implications of Notebooks from an SEO standpoint and how can we use it to our advantage? I am asking this because I am just beginning to read about the service (the first I have really heard about it).

ronburk




msg:715094
 6:45 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

On a related note, Onfolio was bought by Microsoft in the recent past and is now apparently free. It has the advantage of letting you capture pages instead of just link to them (and then later discover they've moved or disappeared when you really need them).

Trax




msg:715095
 8:29 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

bigG is running out of ideas
this is absolutely useless to my mind
but this isjust me...

wmuser




msg:715096
 9:01 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

They seems to be more ocncentrating on related products like notebook,maps but search relevancy is lacking

dhigu




msg:715097
 9:04 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think Google Notebook is quite disappointing. Even went ahead and reviewed it on my site on my site, <snip>.

Some people argue that it is beta software, give it time, etc. What I don't get is why a search company like Google cannot have a basic feature like search public notebooks (that they market a lot) live and functioning? Do they want to evaluate results of what people make public before they go ahead and enable it?

Or is it actually not ready? :o

-Dhiraj.

[edited by: lawman at 10:36 pm (utc) on May 16, 2006]
[edit reason] No links to blogs please [/edit]

GameMasterM




msg:715098
 9:20 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's a Google catch-up feature.

I like it but for me it offers no real reason to abandon Furl or Del..

(btw-it does have a right click feature)

onefiddle




msg:715099
 11:18 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, you can right click and then "Note This (Google Notebook)".

dhigu




msg:715100
 11:25 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

There should be a way to save the whole page to the Notebook. Right clicking on a page with nothing selected and saying "Note this" just adds a bookmark to the notebook. :(

I want to use it to be able to save notification pages like transaction success code pages (when you book something with a credit card, for example).

I currently use a different Firefox extension which does this quite brilliantly. Only it doesn't save it online anywhere. :(

Dhiraj.

rden17




msg:715101
 1:40 am on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

well, I just went to download it and because I use Opera, I'm SOL. I'm sick of these companies not supporting Opera. I went to check out Yahoo's new homepage tonight, and again, Opera users are out of luck.

GRRRRRRRR!

FridayNight




msg:715102
 5:57 am on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

useless and uncomfortable thing. i would never use it.

animaniak




msg:715103
 11:44 am on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Much better than google notebook : scrapbook extension for firefox
features are save pages easily (right click), save snipets of pages, annotate saved pages with stickies, make notes, easy management and search.
It's all working nice for a long time.


Some people argue that it is beta software, give it time, etc. What I don't get is why a search company like Google cannot have a basic feature like search public notebooks (that they market a lot) live and functioning? Do they want to evaluate results of what people make public before they go ahead and enable it?

exactly. It's quite a shame that big G can't develop a product BEFORE releasing it. Just try to save a fairly complex page with google notebooks. It just looks horrible.

AhmedF




msg:715104
 4:08 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

bigG is running out of ideas
this is absolutely useless to my mind
but this isjust me...

Good to know that something you find useless must be useless to everyone else.

The contextual/qualitative value of bookmarks is immense. Cue Yahoo's purchase of Delicious.

Just Guessing




msg:715105
 4:22 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

There should be a way to save the whole page to the Notebook. Right clicking on a page with nothing selected and saying "Note this" just adds a bookmark to the notebook. :(

Good point - but it's a neat way of adding bookmarks, though.

Worthy Content




msg:715106
 5:15 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I like it, I think Google Notebook is just like using my Post Its only electronic with less writers' cramp.

My favorite Google Lab or BETA yet? No. But it's interesting. I've only been playing around with it for a little while. The real question: will I continue to use it?

And yes, I agree it's another way to spread links, though I'm not certain what good it will do without valid link text.

Halfdeck




msg:715107
 5:49 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

One bug I ran into is when I added a section heading while my notebook was minimized, opened up another window with notebook maximized, then deleted the section heading in the maximized window - if that makes any sense. After that, I'm getting the message: "Error in getting notebook."

dhigu




msg:715108
 6:19 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I use Scrapbook too. :)
I think it's better at what it's meant to do - save web snippets.

I think what google is looking at is just picking up the textual data, and the image links and using them only in the note. This might be for whatever reasons - technical or ulterior but we can attribute it to their way of doing things.

While this is pretty acceptable for those who only want the actual meaningful data on the page, people can't really use it to save "web pages" as such - like if they achieve something on the net for example.

Maybe a front page listing in (insert favorite high visibility website here) :)

I'd like to save something like that forever. Online, replete with all styling and images so that it looks exactly like it was looking like on the site. Scrapbook let's me do that well but locally only. Google Notebook doesn't do it well (or 100% of the time - it fails for me on an ajaxy site) but it let's me store it online and "publish" these as well.

(sigh)

I guess I'll have to play the waiting game till somebody either takes on Google Notebook as competition or somebody integrates Scrapbook into an online store (as in database) as well. Say, now that's an idea!

Anyone got any ideas on if this is doable?

-Dhiraj.

p.s. All apologies for the longish post, I do tend to get verbose.

stinkfoot




msg:715109
 7:22 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Quite frankly this is just nother waist of time and resourses. Why dont they get thier search engine working first?

Josk




msg:715110
 9:25 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Interesting... Installed the extension, and the notepad seemed to be constantly stuck to the bottom right-hand corner. And maximised itsself in each new tab.

Oh, and it didn't seem to cache itself... Slowed Firefox right down...

So the extension has been uninstalled and I've gone back to MyStickies...

JayC




msg:715111
 8:33 pm on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

> Quite frankly this is just nother waist of time
> and resourses. Why dont they get thier search
> engine working first?

> Some people argue that it is beta software,
> give it time, etc.

It's not even beta. It's a Google Labs project; not an official Google service. "Labs" is, as Google calls it, a "playground." What's in there are nothing more than ideas being kicked around and played with. Some of the Labs projects have become Google development projects; this one so far isn't.

GameMasterM




msg:715112
 2:56 pm on May 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

From Crobb

" Can Google Notebooks affect the ranking of websites? What are the implications of Notebooks from an SEO standpoint and how can we use it to our advantage?"

I believe it will affect rankings. You have to think Google views this as user generated content (by proxy) and generally content of good will.
As U.G.C. gains momentum you will see relevance pinned to the more popular links saved.
Look at Furl and how their popular "saves" are found with the click of a tab. Those popular saves are then founds in the LookSmart vertical directory.
Yahoo will do this with Del. as well IMO.
I would save every link and page you operate.

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