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Google Appoints Another Webmaster Liaison
Would Google Be Listening More To Webmasters?
reseller




msg:775938
 4:01 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks

We webmasters and publishers have been communicating with Google through two kind friends; our fellow member GoogleGuy and Matt Cutts. And many of us are glad for Google's attempts to reach out to webmasters. However, because GG and Matt are busy people our concerned and questions haven't been always addressed.

- how about the much needed new infrastructure weather reports?
- how about paying more attention to webmasters whom sites have lost pages, ranking and sometimes just been dropped out of the index?
- how about our kind fellow members concerns about canonical and supplemental issues which have affected their sites?
- how about the much needed prompt action from Google's side when our fellow webmasters report spam.

The said issues and much more haven't been really addressed by Google in the way which satisfy our webmasters community.

Of course, I do understand that there is only one GG and one Matt and only 24 hours a day. And I can't demand from GG and Matt more than they are already giving graciously of their times to communicate with us.

Therefore, it was a great pleasure to read that Google has appointed Adam Lasnik to reaching out to webmasters. In that connection, Matt wrote on his blog today: "My hope is that Adam will help Google listen more, and will also grow into answering webmaster questions. We sent him to WebmasterWorld Boston to soak up what Pubcons are like, and he’ll be at SES London as well."

It was also very encouraging indeed to read on Adam's blog lines like:

- "My main focus is on broadening communications between Google and Webmasters… learning as much as I can from both Matt and the Webmasters he chats with so amiably and then building upon this rapport."

- "I’ll also be a “Webmaster Advocate” inside the Googleplex. I’ve seen firsthand that tons of folks here already eagerly read and appreciate Google- and search-related comments throughout the Web; I’ll be doing what I can to expedite concerns, bug reports, and other feedback to the right colleagues."

I do hope Google will be listing more now to webmasters and will be more prompt in addressing their concerns.

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:775939
 4:30 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

[lasnik.net...]

Gee - one could almost make the case - that he is one of us [webmasterworld.com]:

Webmastering and Affiliate Marketing: Single-handedly developed personal site to reach 50,000 monthly visitors and earn up to $11,000 in monthly revenues through successful affiliate partnerships, ethical marketing and advertising, strong understanding of search engines and placement strategies, opt-in e-mail newsletters, frequent interactions with members, and constant ROI monitoring.

simonmc




msg:775940
 10:16 am on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dancing: Enthusiastic dancer with a special passion for Lindy Hop (swing dancing) and Waltz.

And can we add to that "The Google Dance"

colin_h




msg:775941
 2:00 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Coming from the UK has conditioned me against the "You wait and see, this new guy will make a difference" senario. This just sounds like another method to try and keep webmaster complaints down to a minimum.

My advice would be to keep complaining until things actually change for the better and don't let a new face and new promises desensitise you from the fact that Google have been seriously below par for some while now.

Looking on the bright side ... Google would not be making this move if webmaster voices weren't being heard out there in the real world.

All the best

Col :-)

texasville




msg:775942
 2:52 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'll wait and see but it sure seems this guy has a lot on his plate to be taking on something that should be a full time job for a team.
I have a feeling we will be hearing a lot of "I'll pass that on to our engineers".
Seems he would have started out by doing a post here explaining exactly what Big Daddy is doing to our sites and why.

Phil_Payne




msg:775943
 4:03 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

> Webmastering and Affiliate Marketing: Single-handedly developed personal site to reach 50,000 monthly visitors and earn up to $11,000 in monthly revenues through successful affiliate partnerships, ethical marketing and advertising, strong understanding of search engines and placement strategies, opt-in e-mail newsletters, frequent interactions with members, and constant ROI monitoring.

I wonder how many pages HE lost, and how many visitors he's getting now?

colin_h




msg:775944
 6:58 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Phil,

He couldn't be doing too well, he had to go and get another job ;-)

All the best

Col :-)

catch2948




msg:775945
 7:52 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I sure like the format of his resume. Hope he doesn't mind if I rip it off (just the format, of course) :-D

reseller




msg:775946
 5:44 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks

Part of the title of this thread is:

Would Google Be Listening More To Webmasters?

And to be honest, the answer is a big NO , as far as keeping us informed from Google side.

While our community members are suffering; GoogleGuy and Matt Cutts prefer silent than posting weather reports or answering on the several threads here which are telling sad stories.

Adam is new to Google business, and he is not to be blamed. His time of keeping silent will come for sure ;-)

Unfortunately, the more Google appoints webmaster Liaisons, the less we hear from them..

Oh well...

percentages




msg:775947
 6:02 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are those that want to listen to the advice that their administration has to offer ;)

There are also those that couldn't give a hoot what advice the "administration" has to offer as they see the "administration" as the enemy!

This is a forum frequented by experienced and "wanna-be"
SEO's.....None of which are friends of Google, or any other SE.

We have no friends....., other than each other, the sooner you get to grips with that the better IMHO!

Atomic




msg:775948
 6:06 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow, another voice recommending Google Sitemaps?

reseller




msg:775949
 6:13 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

percentages

"We have no friends....., other than each other, the sooner you get to grips with that the better IMHO!"

I just wonder what will happen, if we webmaster answer Google's Liaisons silent with a silent of our own; ignor Google's Liaisons and just imagine they don't exist :-)

And yes, maybe you are right; We have no friends....., other than each other!

God bless our WebmasterWorld community.

Atomic




msg:775950
 6:31 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just wonder what will happen, if we webmaster answer Google's Liaisons silent with a silent of our own; ignor Google's Liaisons and just imagine they don't exist :-)

That won't happen though will it. The questions will come. Sitemaps will be suggested and webmasters will scurry away to add it to their sites. It won't help, of course. But it will sure feel good to at least be doing something.

reseller




msg:775951
 6:46 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Atomic

"That won't happen though will it. The questions will come."

You mightbe right.

But look at this sad story of sitemaps.

Reports of index coverage changes--we're listening! [groups.google.com]

147 posts of webmasters and counting. They are all ignored by "Google Employee". Why should those webmasters friends wasting their time while they can see for their eyes that they are being ignored?

While here on WebmasterWorld, 99.99% of our kind fellow members posts are answered by other members.

whitenight




msg:775952
 7:01 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

But it will sure feel good to at least be doing something.

Even better, remove Google's junk products (yes they are junk) off our websites.
Start promoting Ask, Yahoo, anyone other than G.

Companies have a tendency to listen REAL closely when their profits are affected.

And the consumers who visit your websites DO listen to site owners.
If I see one more major forum or website promoting "Generate revenue from your site with Google Adsense" banners, I think I might be sick. (You know who you are)

What shortsighted thinking!
Easy money eh? Bleh. Who here has gotten all their pages re-indexed, re-crawled, and re-cached after calling up their friendly Adwords rep?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Did I miss the free $10k they were handing out to webmasters for lost revenue of missing pages?

Money ALWAYS speaks.
Start talking with your dollars, pounds, and euros instead of begging for mercy from Google employee 1, 2, or 3 who has no real influence anyways.

Eazygoin




msg:775953
 8:49 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reading many of the posts in this forum, it appears that many people are somewhat despondent in a number of issues relating to Google.

There is the overall picture of the SERP's and their quality. There is the spam issue. There is the lost pages, supplemental and canonical issues, and so on.

But there is one issue that one stands out, and that is one of lack of communication from Google, webmaster frustration in receiving no answers. This seems to be related to the continued absence of any end in foresight since the changes made in Update Jagger, and the structural changes from BD.

Having only watched the threads for some months, and the MC blog also, it seems that those answers that are provided, are done so with very little depth or commitment.

It seems that Google should be more up front with their responses, so that any conjecture or hypothesis can be done away with, and webmasters can be more aware of fact in regards to solutions.

reseller




msg:775954
 7:44 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good evening Folks

It seems our good friend Matt Cutts has spent sometime today reading the threads on Forum30 and especially this one ;-)

And he decided to post a detailed weather report:

Indexing timeline
May 16, 2006 @ 12:24 pm

[mattcutts.com...]

Thanks, Matt. Wish you a great vacation.

sockbroker




msg:775955
 7:49 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

can anyone tell me why google wont index my site <snip>

thank you
kamren

[edited by: trillianjedi at 8:23 pm (utc) on May 16, 2006]
[edit reason] TOS [/edit]

whitenight




msg:775956
 8:06 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure how to respond Google employee 1's post.

Big Daddy is out and fully loaded.
Everything is fine and if your site is missing pages then it's because you have some type of penalty ie. too many recip links, no authority, poor linking out, etc.

And it seems Google is happy with their new index.

After doing some searches for personal matters like Joe Q. Searcher, I immediately switched to Yahoo and MSN.(where I found what I was looking for)

I suppose my searching skills are "too advanced" vs. Joe Q. Searcher for objective opinions. 4-5 word search stings, etc.
Joe Q. simply doesn't search for "widget reviews of unique article"?

They simple type in "widget" or "widget review" or "widget article"?

If that's the case, once again, why is Google considered the "best"?
Any basic SE can pull up the 10 most relevant sites for broad terms like that.
Google doesn't (and never) held any superiority for that.

Google USED to hold superiority when it came to "odd phrase in unique town" or "unique product for unique problem".

Seems that's no longer the case...

Fair enough, enjoy your new "algo" Google.
Rest on your laurels and Phds.
I don't support nor use inferior products simply because they have the biggest advertising budgets.
Unfortunately, most people do.
At least, that's what they are betting on....

Adam_Lasnik




msg:775957
 9:29 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey everyone,

I appreciate the welcome and also the frank commentary.

People here (in my department and throughout the company) read threads here and around the Web and take the concerns and feedback seriously. But I also know the proof is in the pudding.

There are understandably limits to what Google can reasonably communicate. However, I know firsthand that the company is committed to becoming more open, to communicating more. I'm both excited and optimistic.

Hope to meet many of you in person in the upcoming conferences! (next stop: Search Engine Strategies in London later this month)

reseller




msg:775958
 9:32 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Adam

Welcome. Wish you good luck. Great to see you among us again :-)

whitenight




msg:775959
 9:42 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Adam

Which "department" are you officially in?

Adam_Lasnik




msg:775960
 9:58 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Whitenight,

I'm on the Search Quality team, sitting pretty near Matt.

arubicus




msg:775961
 10:04 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

ADAM

I asked Matt a bit ago about our site and level 4 pages just not wanting to hang around in the index. Many get crawled and that is about it.

He mentioned it may be related to PR and/or directory structure. Our structure is about the most logical (pyramid) you could possibly have.

Our site has thousands of links to the home page (according to MSN and Yahoo - google shows about fifty) and even more deeper in the site most residing in the level 4 pages. Although many are junk links (scrapers and scraper directories) we have plenty from good quality sites. (I don't play the recip game and most links were because we ranked very well for 3-4 years for many of our pages)

PR on the home page is a 5 and that is as far as it goes. (At least that is what the toolbar states).

We did have home page issues in which google couldn't decide which version to choose as the correct one even thought I had an htaccess file pointing to the correct versions via 301. This HAS been fixed for a few months. But that is as far as the fix took us.

Any feedback before I go get a job at the end of the month or before my wife strings me up? Which ever happens first! LOL

hvacdirect




msg:775962
 6:18 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I bet Adam_Lasnik is busy today after matt's blog basically said that everyone is a spammer, and tough luck on loosing 99% of your site, we checked and its your fault.

whitenight




msg:775963
 6:48 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok new Googleguy. I just waded through the 100+ posts at Google employee 1's blog and to be quite honest, I'm more than peeved. And I'm not even peeved for myself. (My traffic has remained the same thru BD)

I'm peeved for the all the hard-working webmasters that have been jumping thru hoops and hurdles only to get google employee 1's spin that makes political parties seem upfront. -.-

Soooo, perhaps, just maybe, you can give us better answers?

Basically, everyone here is a spammer?
or has been penalized?
or has too many backlinks?
or not enough?
What exactly is it?

I find it hard to believe that with "more than enough storage" every single webmaster on every single board I have visited is complaining about the SAME thing.

Sorry but the answers don't add up. Perhaps you can shed some real light on the situation?

bobothecat




msg:775964
 10:21 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm on the Search Quality team, sitting pretty near Matt.

Sitting above or below? :)

... just kidding - weclome to WebmasterWorld!

Peter

catch2948




msg:775965
 2:03 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Adam:

Welcome to WebmasterWorld!

I hope GG told ya what you were getting into on this gig. But then again, he probsbly didn't, cuz' if he did, you would have told him to stuff it! :-D

LOL ... Joking ... Enjoy :-)

mattg3




msg:775966
 2:19 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

what you were getting into on this gig.

Is one man vs millions of webmasters feasible?

This can only end in disaster.

reseller




msg:775967
 6:06 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Folks!

C'mon give Adam a break :-)

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