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sitemaps flipping out
J_RaD




msg:744714
 5:28 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sitemaps was working great, I was checking up on it every few days to get my stats with no problem.

All of the sudden i notice in AWstats that google has totally dropped my site.

anyways so i check out sitemaps and it has totally gone bonkers!

my sitemap is getting URL errors, say (line 40) so i go delete line 40...resubmit... line 40 again...and again...and again. *agh*

HTTP errors for some werid URLS you know those www.......com/dlreofdaflj.html ones?

I have no idea what happend, everything was going great, then all of the sudden its gone to hell and im starting from scratch :-(

 

londrum




msg:744715
 8:31 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

maybe something on your site is creating these pages. have you got anything that users that can write to, like a guestbook or something

J_RaD




msg:744716
 1:19 am on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

nope, nothing...just a forum, but that is in a totally different DIR

update on the sitemaps LOL so i deleted everything, recreated my sitemap...validated my site, now google is giving me a 404 on my sitemap.

I can pull it up just fine in my browser - google hates me.

im going to let this go for a day and see if it straightens itself out im stumped!

on a side note, would a messed up sitemap cause google to drop my site? it seems like just when i was reading that post about google's "machine crisis" my site vanished with out a trace.

J_RaD




msg:744717
 12:49 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

sitemaps finally worked out its problem. here are a list of the werid HTTP error pages I was getting.

.com/bsrcjeppgxjgw.html
.com/knkrnlgre.html
.com/knkrnlgre.html
.com/qknarytbe.html

404 on all of these pages.

trinorthlighting




msg:744718
 3:01 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

That is odd, I run an ecommerce site that is strictly php based and I noticed the same thing.

.com/eoifcbfxfc.html
.com/lxcunhvf.html
.com/qbstjxyvx.html

May be a google has some sort of cold (virus) or worm?

bwnbwn




msg:744719
 3:30 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have and htm no databse at all site and see the same thing? looks like Google is generating it's own errors to me. These are on my subdomain

.com/mftntcnpxmagskm.html
.com/mabexlgkoprr.html

Steph_R




msg:744720
 3:55 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Sitemaps was working great, I was checking up on it every few days to get my stats with no problem.
All of the sudden i notice in AWstats that google has totally dropped my site.

anyways so i check out sitemaps and it has totally gone bonkers! "

One of the sites I manage has the same problem. Pages are dropped out of the index and sitemaps console reports HTTP problems for URLs that are not even in the xml file.

I suspect that sitemaps is having problems and this is what caused the site to lose pages in G index. The site is 100% white hat and has been triple checked --no spam or any other reason it should get penalized.

Anyone else have sitemaps problems, then pages drop out of index?

J_RaD




msg:744721
 4:36 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

did any of you recently get your google-analytics invite and add the code to your site as well?

trinorthlighting




msg:744722
 4:49 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, I have the same issue, pages disappear and come back. I also got the google analytics invite as well, about a month ago.

J_RaD




msg:744723
 4:56 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

did your maps blow up shortly after you added the code?

within (2-3) days.

SniperRyan




msg:744724
 5:04 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

This looks like a problem with the verification system, maybe.

A side note the original poster: Many times when Google reports an error on "Line x" the line number is incorrect, but there is an error somewhere.

I found this out when I kept getting an error on "Line #" and had to go back through and find where the sitemap was referencing '/' as a URL. D'oh.

Steph_R




msg:744725
 5:09 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, about 4 weeks ago this site got its analytics code invitation.

trinorthlighting




msg:744726
 5:15 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I do not think analytics has anything to do with it. I have two sites on analytics and both use site maps. Only one site was affected by the 404 for the wierd urls.

May 7th and 9th

tedster




msg:744727
 5:32 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Although it shouldn't happen a lot, I believe googlebot does try out bogus IPs to see if the server handles 404 requests with a true 404 header.

F_Rose




msg:744728
 6:08 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Having multiple 404 errors could cause Google to stop indexing your site?

If so is 10 considered a lot?

Steph_R




msg:744729
 6:15 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have removed G. analytics code from this site as an experiment.

arubicus




msg:744730
 6:54 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

" Having multiple 404 errors could cause Google to stop indexing your site?"

Don't know the answer to that one. But I do have to say that with tons of scrapers and junk sites linking in all sorts of unpredictable manners I just don't see why google would stop indexing because of this.

montefin




msg:744731
 6:56 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dating back to April 11th, Google Sitemaps's trouble with robots.txt has been implicated in the erroneous exclusion of important URLs at my site. Concurrently, our Google referral traffic declined sharply.

Dated May 1st, the Sitemaps diagnostic tool is now reporting HTTP Errors on some of our URLs where %E2%80%A6 is showing up in the middle of the URL.

%E2%80%A6 is unicode for the horizontal ellipsis, i.e. "...".

Yesterday, Google Analytics showed that Google search referral traffic plummeted even further.

I haven't yet submitted a sitemap to Google so I don't know where these "errors" are being generated. I'm hesitant to submit one until these issues are resolved.

The one thing that doesn't seem to be affected is Google Image downloading from my site. If anything that has increased. Unfortunately, we derive little or no benefit from that Google activity.

arubicus




msg:744732
 7:15 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

%E2%80%A6 yep I see some errors from this.

I also seen 2 sites that a trailing slash was added to the end of the url. I htaccess this problem (pages were php) since I couldn't find the source. It wasn't in the site map nor was it anything on site.

I see many incomplete url's. Urls that are cut off. Urls that have a ... at the end. Urls that have a %3C or a %20 and other strange character encodings. We have had the site map since last ohhhhhh...June and our problems have still continued since then. We have 3 other sites all with google site maps and they also show problems. I dumped 2 sites with sitemaps. Both sites are completely unique. One is done in php the other in HTML. These are our newest sites about a year + old. All other engines have these sites flawlessly.

tiori




msg:744733
 7:22 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

O.K. so let's say I remove my sites from sitemaps. What's to say it will "really" get removed? Maybe it remains somewhere in the Google caverns like the supplemental results!

Steph_R




msg:744734
 7:30 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't remove your sitemaps file. It worked great for me, until recently. I did take off the G. analytics code today to see what will happen. But I would not recommend deleting your sitemaps xml file.

tiori




msg:744735
 7:32 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't remove your sitemaps file. It worked great for me, until recently. I did take off the G. analytics code today to see what will happen. But I would not recommend deleting your sitemaps xml file.

Why not remove it?

arubicus




msg:744736
 7:43 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why not remove it?

Yes please explain that one. I am testing the removal on a couple smaller sites to see what happens. I won't remove it on the big site just in case.

Also didn't you state:

"I suspect that sitemaps is having problems and this is what caused the site to lose pages in G index. The site is 100% white hat and has been triple checked --no spam or any other reason it should get penalized."

Again why are you removing analytics?

I just got the code a couple of days ago and we have been experiencing these problems LONG before applying the simple javascript.

[edited by: arubicus at 7:49 pm (utc) on May 12, 2006]

Steph_R




msg:744737
 7:45 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Call me paranoid, but I believe it would confuse G. if you removed the xml file.

Also, why would you remove it? It helps to get your pages indexed more quickly. And with the new "diagnose" tab in the sitemaps console, it helps you to see any problems that G. might have with your site.

J_RaD




msg:744738
 7:49 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Deleting everything and starting from scratch seemed to have worked so far, enough though google still isn't indexing me any better i've atleast gotten rid of those pesky eoifdlkafjd.html 404 errors.

J_RaD




msg:744739
 7:52 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)


Again why are you removing analytics?

we are just removing the code as a test to see if it had something to do with google trashing our sitemaps.

arubicus




msg:744740
 7:53 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

"It helps to get your pages indexed more quickly."

Um no it dosent. If that were the case my site would be fully in the index. Even at that it took a couple of months to completely crawl even our new sites - heck msn and yahoo were faster at picking them up WITHOUT a site map.

The error reporting is nice but in the last year of having it on All I see is 404 errors from bum url's and that is it. NOTHING ELSE. I can easily hit my error log to see this at any point in time.

arubicus




msg:744741
 7:55 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

"we are just removing the code as a test to see if it had something to do with google trashing our sitemaps."

I will leave my analytics on for an alternate test. I haven't seen those types of errors you stated and since I just added analytics we will see if they show up in the next couple of days.

Steph_R




msg:744742
 7:57 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok, thanks. I will notify you tomorrow if I see a change after removing the G. analytics code from the site in question.

Steph_R




msg:744743
 8:09 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Um no it dosent. If that were the case my site would be fully in the index. Even at that it took a couple of months to completely crawl even our new sites - heck msn and yahoo were faster at picking them up WITHOUT a site map."

You are right. I meant Sitemaps *used* to help you get your pages indexed more quickly. Since the last month or so, nothing seems to help.

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