reseller

msg:715377 | 8:21 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Honestly, it must be a quality control glitch in AdWords which might have happened few times. [edited by: reseller at 8:23 pm (utc) on May 5, 2006]
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Phillipx

msg:715378 | 8:21 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Good, kinda goes along with their hippocritical approach. I personally think its about time someone decided to take on Google and hold them accountable for what they put on their websites, after all, they hold the publishers accountable for things that they don't have any control over.
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europeforvisitors

msg:715379 | 8:33 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Campaigning against pornography is good politics. Campaigning against child pornography is even better politics (whether or not there's any merit in the charges).
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StupidScript

msg:715380 | 8:41 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Must be an election year ... I wonder if the monetary damages being requested will go into some child porn assistance fund or into the legislator's campaign fund? Where else would it go? What #*$!.
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bakedjake

msg:715381 | 8:42 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Isn't this one of those issues where if you choose to filter some advertising (tobacco and firearms), and you're not getting the illegal stuff (child porn), you can be held legally accountable?
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Key_Master

msg:715382 | 8:45 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Phillip makes a good point. I always wondered why Google would prohibit ads from gambling sites and sites that sell gun parts and accessories but condone pornography ads.
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cbartow

msg:715383 | 8:51 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Can you buy ads for [child porn]? What if you are an anti-child porn group trying to stop it? Looks like the Super Adventure Club is going to have a tough year.
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jtara

msg:715384 | 8:59 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| Can you buy ads for [child porn]? |
| You can't use explicit language in ads. I had to change some wording in some book ads because of words used in the book titles. But "child porn" isn't explicit language, so I don't see any reason why it would not be allowed. As far as I know, there's no banned list of keywords, though. So, to answer your question - an anti-child-porn group should be able to take out ads on keyword "child porn" and say something like "stamp out child porn" in their ad.
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walkman

msg:715385 | 9:01 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
what a freaking loser this guy is...anything to get his name out. No wonder people love politicians. Hey politician, how do you know Google has child porn in their results? Research?
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StupidScript

msg:715386 | 9:08 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| an anti-child-porn group should be able to take out ads on keyword "child porn" and say something like "stamp out child porn" in their ad. |
| Actually, the odd part is that you can BID on the term, but you can't use it in your ad copy because it might offend some users. Strange, but true ... Makes me wonder how many ads the legislator's research team clicked on (fraudulently) before they finally discovered some actual cp on one of the sites, and not from a link on one of the sites ...
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RockyMtnRR

msg:715387 | 10:01 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Here's a little tidbit that goes for the double-dip political agenda: "Defendant refuses to spend a dime's worth of resources to block child pornography from reaching children" Um... yeah are you stamping out child porn or protecting kids from pornography. They aren't mutually exclusive but I would have to guess that the main kiddie porn consumers are not, in fact, kiddies.
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stef25

msg:715388 | 10:05 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
why would such a company decide to commit corporate suicide by knowingly "making money off child porn". sounds like another "will somebody please think about the children!" thing absurd!
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mack

msg:715389 | 10:48 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
it's broad matching gone bad. Mack.
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tntpower

msg:715390 | 10:59 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Google shall be responsible for this, at least partly. Correct me if I make mistakes, but if a merchant in a local shopping mall sells pirate products, the merchant and the mall will be fined. Here in this case, Google is the mall, isn't it?
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europeforvisitors

msg:715391 | 11:16 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| Correct me if I make mistakes, but if a merchant in a local shopping mall sells pirate products, the merchant and the mall will be fined. |
| I doubt if it's that simple. The prosecuter or plaintiff would have to show that the mall's management knew about and permitted the illegal activity. | Here in this case, Google is the mall, isn't it? |
| Google isn't a mall.
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kaled

msg:715392 | 11:57 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0) |
A blatant misuse of the courts for self-publicity. Hopefully, it will just get buried and forgotten - throwing it out would generate more arguments and appeals and therefore publicity for J Toback. Kaled.
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walkman

msg:715393 | 1:22 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
>> Correct me if I make mistakes, but if a merchant in a local shopping mall sells pirate products, the merchant and the mall will be fined. bad, bad, bad analogy. First, there is no damage done to him, and this is not even a serious case. I hope the judge fines this ---- and makes him pay Google's legal bills. Second, Google in this case is the store (if that idiot is suing regarding ads on Adsense) but even then, Google might be responsible only if they manually approved them.
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old_expat

msg:715394 | 3:09 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
"Google might be responsible only if they manually approved them." So if I set up a random code to email and hire hitmen, I can't be held responsible for the crimes?:)
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walkman

msg:715395 | 3:58 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
>> So if I set up a random code to email and hire hitmen, I can't be held responsible for the crimes? I wrote a longer answer but changed my mind, last minut. Read your answer again, and focus on the, "If I set up" part; you will see the difference. This is if Google is being sued because someone advertised child porn on adsense of course.
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chief72

msg:715396 | 6:07 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Regardless of the motives behind this lawsuit, and we're all assuming (perhaps incorrectly)that they are cynical, Google should be accountable for the content they choose to display on their paid search network. I run some adwords campaigns that link to adult related content & am increasingly finding that these are being manually reviewed. Whilst this is inconvenient & slow, I do accept the imposition if it endeavours to protect browsers from viewing inappropriate content. Perhaps certain keywords should automatically trigger manual review. Maybe some of the people who are currently employed to constantly tweak the quality score algo could be given the task of compiling this sensitive keyword list. We could kill two birds with one stone.
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glengara

msg:715397 | 9:15 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
SEW had a thread on this back in March, you'll find it in the AW forum....
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TypicalSurfer

msg:715398 | 1:23 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
No excuse for google. 4-5 thousands Phds, algos that can spot hidden text, all manner of spam etc. and they can't stop child porn ads at the gate?
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swirl

msg:715399 | 2:21 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
I'm reminded of the words of Jamie Zawinski (of Netscape fame), who as part of his AOL/NSCP resignation blog entry a number of years back said the following: "To a huge number of people out in the real world, the Internet is a disgusting wasteland, full of rude, cruel, nasty people, child pornographers, and photos of people having sex with dogs." The aforementioned perception, in my opinion, is stronger than ever. In fact, you can likely add to that quote "child rapists lurking in every chat room and social networking website" -- or wording to that effect. I'm entirely self-employed via the work I do on the web, as many of the others here at Webmaster World are. Lots of people likely find it "mysterious" that there are individuals and companies that make money on the Internet -- when to them the "dot-com bust" (and rapid depletion of their stock market portfolio) somehow proved that money could not be made online. So what might these people assume we actually do online? Just think... if Google, ostensibly one of the most well known brands on the Internet with a stock market capitalization in the tens of billions of dollars, owes its success (as alleged by this lawsuit) in part to the profits generated from child pornography, how the heck must the rest of us be making money online? I have no doubt there are those who likely harbor the opinion that ALL of us here at Webmaster World are a bunch of child pornographers. We'll see where this lawsuit goes... but remember, the news headlines are roaring with allegations that Google is making a fortune off child pornography. That's what people are reading and absorbing as "fact." Nine months from now, or whenever the lawsuit is dismissed (assuming it's dismissed), there will be hardly a footnote exonerating Google of the scandalous charges being made against it. Nobody will notice. To vast numbers of people, Google will equal child pornography profiteering.
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TypicalSurfer

msg:715400 | 2:41 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| I have no doubt there are those who likely harbor the opinion that ALL of us here at Webmaster World are a bunch of child pornographers. |
| I have no doubt you are wrong. You are insinuating that as google goes, so do webmasters of every persuasion. NOT quite. If all the webmasters at WebmasterWorld blindly defend google and THEIR child porn problem, you may have a point. ;)
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activeco

msg:715401 | 4:01 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| Hey politician, how do you know Google has child porn in their results? Research? |
| Indeed! What was he looking for? Maybe his PC should be examined first.
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phantombookman

msg:715402 | 4:22 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| Hey politician, how do you know Google has child porn in their results? Research? Indeed! What was he looking for? Maybe his PC should be examined first. |
| He probably got handed the info, it's been about for a while. Very recently raised by Dave Naylor on Strikepoint in fact as something that needed urgent attention. It is a broadmatching problem
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TypicalSurfer

msg:715403 | 4:24 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Blame the guy who found it. How ingenuis! Sounds like a recipe from the viral lab at the plex.
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Essex_boy

msg:715404 | 5:08 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Hog wash! Theres no way G would do this knowingly, the guys after brownie points for some warped reason
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digitalghost

msg:715405 | 5:11 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0) |
>>Theres no way G would do this knowingly Plausible denial.;) Doesn't matter if they do it knowingly or not. Some lawyer or other will get around to mentioning ignorance of the law is no exuse for breaking the law...
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