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Data Center Watch 2006 May 05
Oh no. . . . not another DC thread!
Komodo_Tale

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 7:01 pm on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing changes in:

64.233.161.107
64.233.161.147
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.187.99
64.233.187.104
216.239.37.99
216.239.39.99
216.239.59.99
72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.107
64.233.167.99
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.167.104
216.239.39.104
216.239.59.104
64.233.179.107
72.14.207.107
216.239.39.107
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.147
64.233.167.147

And am experiencing major happiness. Some of these these results were visible on five DCs on and off for the last week. It now appears to be spreading and on some DCs I am experiencing a small additional boost.

I for one hope this sticks.

 

MLHmptn

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 2:02 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Komodo,

I believe it might be time to scrap DC watching. Look at the new results on search.aol.com, search.comcast.net, search.netscape.com, search.icq.com, search.att.net, and whatever other Google search network affiliate you can think of. The results are showing across Google's search network affiliates and only at times randomly popping in/out on Google.com defaults(whatever ip you get assigned).

Check those affiliates and see if your sites rank better than any of those DC's your watching. I think DC watching is starting to become a fruitless endeavour as the DC's don't seem to be displaying the new set of mystery SERP's.

Note to Tabke....What are you going to call this update? :>~

Komodo_Tale

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 3:46 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Look at the new results on search.aol.com, search.comcast.net, search.netscape.com, search.icq.com, search.att.net, and whatever other Google search network affiliate you can think of. The results are showing across Google's search network affiliates and only at times randomly popping in/out on Google.com defaults(whatever ip you get assigned).

This is interesting: For my most competitive keyword I am showing enhanced listings three to five spots above the top data center results in those Google affiliates.

Oh happy day indeed.

PS: I noticed that the Google Directory is now making an apperance in the serps (41) for my most competitive keyword. This is new. ODP was being listed (22)in some datacenters, but those listings have dropped (43).

reseller

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 5:32 am on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good morning Komodo_Tale

Just to thank you for re-starting this thread again. Specially through these days where everything is expected to happen, we really need to keep our eyes opened and watch those DCs.

Personally, I'm paying much attention at the moment to this "test" DC

72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104

Wish you all a great day.

stevexyz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 11:16 am on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good to have this back again - I probably use this thread more than any other. I may not read it all but it gives me an excellent snapshot on what is going on with the data centres as any given time. I thank you reseller. This is my first post on it but I have been reading your posts 3+ years ago and still today

petehall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 2:20 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

I know many people in the UK who are now able to see the updated results, myself included, however they have been on/off all day.

We must be getting close top the end now?

Hissingsid

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 2:23 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Personally, I'm paying much attention at the moment to this "test" DC

72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104

I would be delighted if those results propogated around all of the DCs but...

Looking at the top 20, (2 pages), for a few of the terms I watch there are a number of my competitors that I would expect to see that are not there.

Are the experimental tweaks about removing spam I wonder. One page that has been at #1 for a year or so for a competitive term seems to have dropped from the index. The only outbound link on that page is to a SEO site. Could this mean that SEO firms that insist on having a link back to their site from the home page of sites they are working on will have to change their ways.

One indicator that I would use to confirm the topical relevance of a page is the topic of the external pages that link to it and the topic of the pages that it links to. If Google is looking at this and sensing the topical relevance of interconnecting pages then it would be easy to have a set of topics that resulted in a penalty. A link to an SEO service provider from a page not on the topic of SEO is an obvious target.

Sid

lgn1

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 3:47 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

To add to the list:

64.233.177.99,104,107,147

have all gone with the updated results.

I now have 32 data showing the new results.

Pretty soon, we will just need to list the datacenters that have not converted to the Big Daddy Update.

[edited by: lgn1 at 3:53 pm (utc) on May 8, 2006]

angiolo

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 3:53 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

> To add to the list:
> 64.233.177.99,104,107,147

To add to the list
72.14.207.104

MLHmptn

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 7:12 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well it appears that the DC's are stabilizing now. Those funky results we've been seeing are now AWOL. It was fun while it lasted.... ;>~ Back to the infamous "SandBox".

Komodo_Tale

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 8:05 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Something is up. After a high of 29 datacenters the new SERPs are down to 12 datacenters. How sad.

petehall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 9:02 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks like they have pulled the plug - what a mess.

Back to Google prehistoric SERPs.

steveb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member steveb us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 9:22 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

The improved results are gone from comcast.net

Perhaps this means that for the eighth or ninth time, Google has tried to introduce new data and the old corrupt, cancerous data has swallowed it up. Let's hope what has been past isn't prologue.

petehall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 9:31 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Something is up. After a high of 29 datacenters the new SERPs are down to 12 datacenters. How sad.

Actually none of them now hold the new SERPs.

All this secrecy is beginning to wear me down - webmasters need some answers.

If we knew there was a problem, we could at least relax a little.

lgn1

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 12:00 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Im hoping this is a glitch. Whey would the new results spread to 32 datacenters, almost half the results, to suddenly get pulled.

It is frustrating, but im hoping this aborted update will be back quite soon.

Google needs stability, like the old days, when you could go months without worrying about your placement.

petehall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 12:04 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

The good old days with more frequent updates?
[webmasterworld.com...]

colourbleu

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 6:20 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

These data centers are given me new results and better ones than I ever had.

64.233.161.107 64.233.161.147

Alby

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 4:01 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

I must say that I am also sad to see these new results gone.

In every sector I watch they were almost 100% clean of spam, (apart from some blogspammer), and they were very relevant to the queries. It seemed as if Google was again prioritising authority sites in those results, I think this is what is needed to clean up the index.

fred9989

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 5:02 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's certainly true in my sector that the results that have disappeared were much more relevant and authoritative.
Rod

Ellio

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 5:03 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Our default Google DC is 66.249.93.104 (for cache at least) and has been for some weeks.

However if you replace www.google.co.uk in the search string with 66.249.93.104 you get dramatically different SERPs.

This applies regardless of the DC being used for the cache. Any ideas why?

Komodo_Tale

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 5:37 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

After going from 29 to 12 it's on 18 datacenters. Also, 66.249.87.107 and 66.249.87.99 are not responding. Perhaps they had to make a tweak and now it is spreading again? I'm hoping, but I'm not holding my breath.

reseller

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 7:41 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ellio

"However if you replace www.google.co.uk in the search string with 66.249.93.104 you get dramatically different SERPs.
This applies regardless of the DC being used for the cache. Any ideas why? "

I had noticed something similar recently, and asked. Few kind fellow members posted some clarification here.

Google Data Centers Watch 2006-04-25
[webmasterworld.com...]

icedout

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 8:25 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing the new results on my main google.com search - tried various IP's too...could it be just a coincidence that those datacenters are popping up for me?

g1smd

WebmasterWorld Senior Member g1smd us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 8:50 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

The "experimental" results are still out on a few datacentres (those are the ones where "exact match" no longer works), and there is a "cleaned up" version of the experiment with all supplemental results from before 2005 June now thrown out of the SERPs.

For people seeing some datacntres that have a larger number of pages indexed for their sites, those are mostly datacentres showing the older mainstream "BigDaddy" results, and there are two versions of those out there too.

[edited by: g1smd at 9:03 pm (utc) on May 9, 2006]

g1smd

WebmasterWorld Senior Member g1smd us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 9:02 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have noticed that for results showing a fresh date, that the cache date is usually 4 to 6 days older than that fresh date.

Yet again, I see many examples where the new words in the snippet do not match what is in the older cache. Data for indexing and ranking, and for displaying the snippet, and for showing the cached page all come from separate databases that are not updated at the same time, and are not in step.

.

On that telephone number search for a number that has been removed from every page of the internet where it was previously published I see several trends.

The BigDaddy "A" and "B" results show 15 supplemental results with ancient cached data for pages that have been 404 for many months or a year, or have had their content altered several times since indexing.

The "experimental" results show 900 entries that are not an exact match for the search query. The "cleanup" datacentres return zero results - and that is the correct result for that search.

For a laugh, I added the telephone number back on to one page 2 nights ago. This is an unrelated page on an unrelated site. Google spidered the page within a few hours. The telephone number now appears in the snippet for that page in the "experimental" results and the page ranks well for that term. In the "cleanup" results that page is the only result returned (and that is correct). Both SERPs have a fresh date of May 8th, but point to a cache dated May 2nd that does not contain the phone number (as it is 4 days before the page was edited).

The BigDaddy "A" and "B" results do not show the page anywhere in their SERPs. The SERPs return the same 15 results as they have done for the past 6 months. I think that those results are not being updated by Google, and will be phased out soon.

Ellio

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 9:59 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ellio
"However if you replace www.google.co.uk in the search string with 66.249.93.104 you get dramatically different SERPs.
This applies regardless of the DC being used for the cache. Any ideas why? "

I had noticed something similar recently, and asked. Few kind fellow members posted some clarification here.

Google Data Centers Watch 2006-04-25
[webmasterworld.com...]

Reseller, yes I read that thread at the time and agree with the idea of virtual DC's however in this case I think its something different.

It would appear that results from google.co.uk (or similar other country) are filtered in a different way than can be replicated by replacing google.co.uk with a DC IP address. Even if the DC producing the results is definately the one being used by Google.co.uk.

I have noticed this for some time but only recently spent time looking into it. I find it interesting as we feature even higher in the SERPs when the google.co.uk bit is replaced by the DC IP address. The rest of the search string is identical including the country filters etc. I just cannot figure why.

Another interesting factor is that standard "pages from the UK" search strings include something like this:

&cr=countryUK¦countryGB

1. Why the two countries - UK & GB (sameplace!)
2. Why massivley improved SERPs if the ¦countryGB is removed leaving only &cr=countryUK.

This must have some relevance. Admittedly to non US users.

lgn1

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 2:44 am on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well here are the Google data centers displaying the
Updated, Fixed, Excellent results, everybody was looking to spread.

I now only see 11 datacenters that have these results:

64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.107
64.233.171.147
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.185.99
64.233.185.104
64.233.187.99
64.233.187.104
64.233.179.107

Either these will start spreading again, or they will disapear. I still holding out hope, that these results will spread again, as these are the best results I have seen in three years.

steveb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member steveb us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 2:51 am on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Interesting that on many datacenters (for example 216.239.39.104) for many sites less than 1000 pages I get different results for...

allinurl:example.com site:example.com
versus
site:example.com

with the allinurl one offering more pages.

reseller

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 7:20 am on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks

Just to say that I can see this morning the serps of

72.14.203.99
72.14.203.104

on my default google.com

Btw, above DC set has been stable for few days, as far as my test search keywords are concerned.

Wish you all a great sunny day.

petehall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 34185 posted 9:07 am on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Either these will start spreading again, or they will disapear. I still holding out hope, that these results will spread again, as these are the best results I have seen in three years.

I'm also convinced these will spread, or something very similar to these results will spread.

My cappuccino drinking DC of the day is:
64.233.187.104

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