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Amazon drops Google, chooses Microsoft
whiterabbit




msg:733881
 6:15 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

[washingtonpost.com...]

Amazon have changed their search provider from google to MS, is this a vote of no confidence in google, or a cheaper option for amazons A9.com search tool?

 

whitenight




msg:733882
 6:42 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is huge! and confirms that not just blackhat or small-time "webmasters" are either tired of Google's arrogance and/or don't feel Google is headed in the right direction search-wise.

Google's still living in 2003 when they were a glorified "university project" and didn't have to answer to anyone.
This is big business boys! Time to start acting like it.

Marcia




msg:733883
 9:54 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is astounding news. It looks like Microsoft's long-time, long reach in corporate boardrooms and IT departments is starting to pay off for them.

confirms that not just blackhat or small-time "webmasters" are either tired of Google's arrogance and/or don't feel Google is headed in the right direction search-wise.

I suspect that it's more of a dollar-and-cents decision on Amazon's part than anything else. But it is good news for small time webmasters, in no uncertain terms.

cyberprosper




msg:733884
 10:10 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, this is good news. Google really does have too much power.

europeforvisitors




msg:733885
 10:14 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I suspect that it's more of a dollar-and-cents decision on Amazon's part than anything else.

Sure. Amazon is a business, after all.

But it is good news for small time webmasters, in no uncertain terms.

How so?

SEOPTI




msg:733886
 10:19 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Excellent news, I really hope Microsoft will catch up, Google is becoming monopolistic, this is not good at all. Good luck for search.msn.com

zeus




msg:733887
 10:20 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

OK now we are talking, finaly we see some spreading in this search industry.

pageoneresults




msg:733888
 10:24 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

First Alexa. Now Amazon. Is AOL next?

legallyBlind




msg:733889
 10:29 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

MSN gearing up to take over a bigger market share should be a wake up call for Google to go back and reestablish what they are known for: search accuracy and relevancy.

europeforvisitors




msg:733890
 10:33 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

First Alexa. Now Amazon. Is AOL next?

Not if we're to believe this press release [google.com] from December 20, 2005.

zafile




msg:733891
 10:37 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

"It looks like Microsoft's long-time, long reach in corporate boardrooms and IT departments is starting to pay off for them."

Perhaps Bill Gates explained it better in August of 1991: "You have to know when to hold back. If the takeoff curve in something is very gradual, then the early guys who pay extra money and take extra risk aren't protected."

tedster




msg:733892
 10:38 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Alexa is owned by Amazon, so it's not really that big a surprise.

moishe




msg:733893
 10:40 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

First Alexa. Now Amazon. Is AOL next?

Not unless Google is planning to sell its 5%, 1 billion dollar stake in AOL...

wildbest




msg:733894
 10:47 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wait, wait! Quite on the contrary! This only confirms how big Google are nowadays. Even Amazon are afraid of getting too dependant on Google monster and try to escape from what is now known as 'Google Ecosystem' - i.e. the community of entirely Google-dependant sites...

tedster




msg:733895
 10:55 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

That kind of dependence is always a business decision when you hitch your fate to a big, big ally -- are they your meal ticket or your potential demise?

[edited by: tedster at 8:09 pm (utc) on May 9, 2006]

Liane




msg:733896
 10:57 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow!

drall




msg:733897
 10:58 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

MS lost AOL to Google ----> Major MS goof

Google lost Amazon to MS -----> Whipty Doo

honestly folks get real a sec, Amazon is nothing and I mean nothing compared to AOL in terms of search headcount.

skibum




msg:733898
 10:58 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

A huge chunk of Amazon's customers probably come from Google referrals. It would be nice if Amazon stops syndicating AdWords listings so our ads will stop showing up when people are searching for books related to our keywords.

whitenight




msg:733899
 11:01 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Both Amazon and MSN sell products that aren't going away anytime soon.

What exactly is Google's product again? :)

"Whenever the largest online retailer makes a decision, it's going to be a big deal," said Silicon Valley technology analyst Rob Enderle. "They're the bellwether for their segment. What they do, others will likely do or consider doing."

This really says it all, doesn't it?

europeforvisitors




msg:733900
 11:03 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wait, wait! Quite on the contrary! This only confirms how big Google are nowadays. Even Amazon are afraid of getting too dependant on Google monster and try to escape from what is now known as 'Google Ecosystem' - i.e. the community of entirely Google-dependant sites...

That's a joke, right? Amazon isn't part of a "community of sites," it's a business, and it goes with the partner that offers it the best deal, revenue potential, or strategic alliance.

wildbest




msg:733901
 11:09 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am not impressed, because there is nothing to be impressed! When it comes to searching, there is no point in making parallels between Google+AOL and MS+Amazon! To prove what I mean let me ask you, how many of you get traffic from A9.com?

Marcia




msg:733902
 11:13 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

But it is good news for small time webmasters, in no uncertain terms.

How so?


Because the small time Mom 'n Pop webmaster with a small to moderate, decently done site can rank at MSN Search and earn revenue in a reasonable amount of time. With Google, for the most part they'd do better with a Geocities personal homepage as a hobby, and slinging hash for income.

I am not impressed, because there is nothing to be impressed! When it comes to searching, there is no point in making parallels between Google+AOL and MS+Amazon! To prove what I mean let me ask you, how many of you get traffic from A9.com?

It's not that Amazon sends traffic, but they've got a consumer, buying type of audience and the more branding for search MSN gets the more eyeballs they'll attract within the target demographic for a lot of individual entrepreneurs who can potentially do very well at MSN - with normal, every-day websites rather than high profile or deep pockets sites.

For now, anyway.

[edited by: Marcia at 11:24 pm (utc) on May 2, 2006]

Brett_Tabke




msg:733903
 11:15 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

also - supporters see the thread about this from last week: [webmasterworld.com...]

legallyBlind




msg:733904
 11:16 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Alexa, Amazon, IE7. Gates did say that he is ready to take on google. Let's see if he can do it.

wildbest




msg:733905
 11:22 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's a joke, right?

No, not at all. You can be a big business and still be a part of Google's ecosystem. A9 achieved nothing of what it was planned to be and now this project has to be phased out. Nobody is using A9, right? Naturally, there is no point to pay for the Google search feed anymore and much cheaper alternative was found.

walkman




msg:733906
 11:23 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

the rumors of google's demise are greatly exagerated, but I'm loving this. Both companies are loaded with cash (MSFT has more obviously, but GOOG has enough), so may the best man win :)

security56




msg:733907
 11:27 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think it's not big of a deal, but like someone mention amazon is a big site for regular internet users and if they see a big site like amazon using msn they might switch to it, A bigger threat I think is IE 7 including msn search by default.

PS: europeforvisitors no to be disrepectfull but do you work for Google, it seem everytime someone says something bad about google you bring you Google pom poms out :P no offense bro just a observation.

europeforvisitors




msg:733908
 1:16 am on May 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think it's not big of a deal, but like someone mention amazon is a big site for regular internet users and if they see a big site like amazon using msn they might switch to it

But aren't the results going to be branded as A9 results? That was the impression I got. And even if "Powered by MSN Search" is displayed above the A9 search results, how many users are going to notice or care?

I just don't think this is an earth-shattering announcement. It certainly isn't as newsworthy as Yahoo's defection from Google was (and let's face it: Google's market share has increased, not decreased, since Yahoo went its own way).

PS: europeforvisitors no to be disrepectfull but do you work for Google, it seem everytime someone says something bad about google you bring you Google pom poms out :P no offense bro just a observation.

No, I don't work for Google, and I don't know anyone at Google. I do think it's a mistake to let resentment and other emotions get in the way of rational thought. (When my own Google referrals dropped by 70-90% for two months last year, I didn't let the overnight loss of traffic and revenue color my judgment--just as I'm not letting my current sometimes adequate, sometimes good, and sometimes excellent rankings in Google color my judgment now.)

BTW, I think the current rage for Google-bashing is simply a reflection of human nature: When you're on top, everyone wants to knock you off your perch. I'm sure that, a few years ago, a lot of the people who praise Microsoft on these forums now were ranting about Bill Gates and his attempts to take over the world. Who knows--one of these days, we may even see WW members saying positive things about AOL. :-)

whitenight




msg:733909
 1:27 am on May 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I do think it's a mistake to let resentment and other emotions get in the way of rational thought.

It's those same "emotions" that allow Google to capture a larger share of searches than perhaps logic dictates.

It's those same "emotions" that started Google's rise to glory as "emotional" webmasters recommended Google over other searches.

It will be the same "emotions" that may or may not be Google's downfall.

People do EVERYTHING according to "emotions" and use logic afterwards to justify it.

Any good businessman knows this. :)

Google will either figure this out and continue to thrive or not.

How's the old saying go?

Provide bad service (percieved or reality) and that customer will tell everyone and their mom.

Provide good service and the customer MIGHT tell 1 or 2 people...

[edited by: whitenight at 1:31 am (utc) on May 3, 2006]

egurr




msg:733910
 1:28 am on May 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm actually not that surprised. We issued a press release today on a search engine study our company had undertaken. Over the last couple of months we'd seen a major shift in the relevancy rankings at MSN. They are far better than they were just 12 months ago. Factor that in with freshness of content and voila! you've got a pretty darn good search engine.
I honestly think the sandbox is hurting google, and the lack of indexing on a regular basis is going to hurt Yahoo and Ask.com. If a new restaurant opens up in your town and launches a web site, and you rely on Google for all of your searches, it may be a year before you see it.

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