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Pages dropped? Let's Work the Problem
Who is winning now in Google and why?
snowweb




msg:776709
 3:25 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've been following all the threads about the dropped pages in Google.

It strikes me that we have all been looking inwardly for the answers (myself included); "what have i done wrong?", "why me?" etc. Perhaps the answer does not lay there, but lies on the outside?

Let's work the problem. We've tried to identify a common denominator between our dropped sites and not found one. Lets now try looking at the 'winners' instead of concentrating on the losers.

Someone has to be top of the SERPs, right? What are they doing? Why were they not effected and we were?

  1. When were their pages last updated?
  2. Are they template driven sites?
  3. What kind of content do they have?
  4. When were their pages last changed?
  5. What encoding are they using?
  6. Are they dynamic pages or static?
  7. Do they use dynamic or static URLs?
  8. Is their whole site indexed or just the homepage?

It's just a thought. What do you think?

Peter

 

guru5571




msg:776710
 9:15 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

What do I think? I think you beat me to it. I've been wondering about this for a while, but was too lazy to start the thread:) Glad you did it. You laid out some good points. Unfortunately, I'm one of those who has lost hundreds of thousands of pages so I have nothing to offer than bumping this thread back up.

OK winners, where are you? Tell us about the massive traffic increases you've seen from Google and all the grubby details therein.

mattg3




msg:776711
 9:37 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Probably a spread of traffic to new adsense publishers and adwords customers would be more profitable for Google, than simply giving it en masse to some new "winners". This might be done is some soft form with constantly changing serps, stochastically distributing the serps and also finding income optimums. Maybe that's just how I would do it.

The server that lost the most pages (>90%) has now actually more traffic, pityfully the bigger lost 50% pages and the same amount of traffic. So there seems to be no obvious sense to this really.

wheelie34




msg:776712
 9:51 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

OK I added to the big daddy thread last night a theory as follows

As with my site and that of a friend, pages have dropped SUDDENLY and in increments, ALL pages that are now missing were added to the sites AFTER December last year, they were indexed within a week and stayed through jagger (1 & 2) then started dropping during end Feb - March and are still M.I.A

In short, its only pages added during that time scale, pages from before December & Jagger are still live and kicking

phantombookman




msg:776713
 9:58 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

All these discussions are pointless until Google stabilises.
Before you can draw any inferences from anything you have to have some form of datum point, something fixed.

Google is clearly all over the place at the moment, sites disappearing then reappearing etc.

This could run like the ridiculous 'data center watch'

Until we know that Google is showing the SERPS it wants as opposed to those it happens to have, and when it has finished its index of existing pages and sites then all this is supposition!

Liane




msg:776714
 10:08 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Totally agree with you phantombookman. It is just too soon to analyze what is happening. Making sitewide or any drastic changes at this point could be a costly mistake in my humble opinion.

When traffic is down for me (and it is) I take it as an opportunity to build lots of new content and stay away from checking ranks or worrying about the drop in income. Traffic drops are all part and parcel of free web traffic. We have to accept that, plan for it by putting funds away so that we can ride it out ... and get to work doing other (constructive) things to help our sites rank when Google settles down and our sites pop back to the top!

Far too much time is spent obsessing over what Google is doing and not enough time is spent "doing" for ourselves! Close your browsers and open your web page development tools!

guru5571




msg:776715
 10:51 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

The point is... lots of us have lost lots of pages in the SERPs. And consequently, lots of traffic. Presumably Google is still the premiere search engine and is serving up millions of results per day. The question is, who is benefitting from these SERPs? You guys can go on about things are still changing and being in flux, etc. In the mean time, that search traffic is going somewhere. We're just asking where it's going. As far as criticizing us trying to analyze, we're not analysing anything yet, we're still begging for a few measly data points here.

Freedom




msg:776716
 11:27 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm taking a more philosophical view toward this and chocking it up to part of Google's normal behavior. Over the last 3 years, I can't even count how many times one of Google's "Self Improvement Projects" have squished my sites under the wheel as it ran over me. Time and time again this has happened and this latest FUBAR is the latest in a long string of algo changes and other disaster my sites have fallen victem to in Google's index.

And I doubt it is the last. This will happen again and again in one form or another.

Basically, if I can get 2 to 3 months of mediocre to good rankings out of Google, then that's about all I can expect. I don't add content or build new websites anymore and think of how they will do in Google, but rather, can I get enough traffic from other search engines to make it worth my while.

My advice: Something like this has probably happened to you before, and will happen again. Get used to it and just forget about Google and focus on ASK, MSN and Yahoo. You might get good traffic from Google for a few months, but then you'll eventually get squished for awhile. Then it will come back for a little bit, then get squished again.

Up and down, up and down. There's not much you can do about it as I've learned over the last 3 years.

Grzegorz




msg:776717
 11:27 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Far too much time is spent obsessing over what Google is doing and not enough time is spent "doing" for ourselves! Close your browsers and open your web page development tools!

Well I agree at this point. But remember that people (e-comm site owners etc.) are loosing a lot of money because their site's are not in G. When some people loose money other people are earning them. It doesn't mean that site of those who loose money are worst.

Conclusion: monopolization is unjust. Why? Because everything is in G. hand...

Liane




msg:776718
 11:36 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

As far as criticizing us trying to analyze, we're not analysing anything yet

Sorry, my mistake. Although I wasn't critisizing anyone, I did think you were trying to analyze where the traffic had gone. My guess is that nobody knows!

Does anyone have any steady traffic right now? One day, I am slammed with inquireis and the next ... not so much. This has been going on for several weeks or since Big Daddy was supposedly finished with its roll out.

Clearly, things are still bouncing around on a daily basis.

So how many of you are getting good traffic one day and not the next? I suspect there are quite a few of us here. Perhaps this is the new Google rotating the SERPS on purpose ... or perhaps it is still distilling the results.

My point is nobody knows and I doubt anyone has steady traffic day in and day out just now.

idolw




msg:776719
 11:38 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well I agree at this point. But remember that people (e-comm site owners etc.) are loosing a lot of money because their site's are not in G

so what? google search engine belongs to Google Inc. to no one else. will we now start to attack google as microsoft is attacked?
the guys who re losing a lot of money are not worth that money. they should build their business the way that google brings only extra traffic giving them extra money for their ferraris

anna123




msg:776720
 12:22 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Phantombookman : All these discussions are pointless until Google stabilises.
...............
Google is clearly all over the place at the moment, sites disappearing then reappearing etc.

Hello all friends,
my website is continuosly disappearing and reappearing......jumping up and down......from beginning of march. It's a lot of time for me......google is all over the place, but how many time it will need to fix his problems? days, weeks or months?

mattg3




msg:776721
 12:35 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Conclusion: monopolization is unjust. Why? Because everything is in G. hand...

so what? google search engine belongs to Google Inc. to no one else. will we now start to attack google as microsoft is attacked?
the guys who re losing a lot of money are not worth that money. they should build their business the way that google brings only extra traffic giving them extra money for their ferraris

Interestingly enough: the European case against MS, I heard this morning in the BBC about, states: MS should not use it's marketposition to decide who can compete and who can't, or something to that effect.

No matter if I find it good or not, I think G will also be attacked by more and more governments the bigger they get.

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