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Does using the Amazon Datafeed cause a penalty?
sterie2005




msg:707919
 8:18 am on Apr 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello!

We published a big portal with a price comparison on December 2005 in Germany and we were happy that we got a lot of visits of the Google bot very soon. But now we think we got a penalty because we used the Amazon Datafeed (AWS).

Can anybody help us to solve the problem? We have the following questions:

a) How can we definately check if it is really the DC penalty or just the sandbox?

b) Our portal is very big and a lot of pages use the product descripion of Amazon. Would the Google penalty also effect pages without Amazon content?

c) We will now remove the detailed product descriptions from Amazon. Is this enough to eliminate the DC penalty? How long will it take?

d) How should we do the removal of the Duplicate-Content-Pages? We plan:
- Delete the pages, Google will get 404
- Establish new pages without the Duplicte Content!
- Wait...
Is that the best way?

e) Some product descriptions are very helpfull für our price-comparison-customers. Would it be possible to show them by a javascript link in an additional window and exclude this path in the robots.txt. Or ist the some kind of "cloaking"?

Thank you for your help!

 

KlausWright




msg:707920
 2:53 pm on Apr 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Very good question. Same boat here. PR 5 site established in 2003 on a dedicated IP, which was on its way to making some good dough - dropped like a sack of bricks in Nov/Dec 2004. My suspicion is the usage of amazon images, links with a "asin" parameter, product pages with duplicate product info, etc.

The question is - what IS the best solution? I am on the verge of deleting roughly 50,000 pages, adding a custom error page, and a progressive rebuild starting with the top level categories, and working down (using different fielnames than the current pages). Has anyone experienced Google's reaction to such a massive slaughter? Timeframe involved in seeing results? Is it worth it trying to salvage the domain and PR - or is it a lost cause?

Porter5Forces




msg:707921
 3:01 pm on Apr 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't think so because there are quite alot of Amazon AWS sites doing very well with about 2 million page index in Google. The below is one site that uses AWS and it create friendly URLs for SEO.

[edited by: jatar_k at 4:12 pm (utc) on April 6, 2006]
[edit reason] no urls thanks [/edit]

sterie2005




msg:707922
 3:04 pm on Apr 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

but shopireland.ie is part of Amazon.co.uk!

Porter5Forces




msg:707923
 3:11 pm on Apr 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Welcome to Shop Ireland, where Irish Shoppers can browse and shop Amazon's products in Euro. We work in association with Amazon.co.uk to bring you a massive range of items, from the latest books, to DVDs, electronics, gifts and much more.

It is a Amazon Associates. I'm a Amazon Associate too and have a smiliar site driven by AWS/ECS.

arikgub




msg:707924
 3:39 pm on Apr 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am in the same situation, have a new site driven by AWS, launched in Jan 2006. I used Amazon product descriptions at the beginning but now I'm gradually replacing them with original descriptions.

But what makes you think you've got a DC penalty? Your site is less than 4 months old. In my understanding, at this stage, the low ranking may be simply a sandox effect. Another question is whether you've got enough backlinks in such a short period to rank high even disregarding the sandbox.

I am eager to hear answers to all the questions asked in this thread.

sterie2005




msg:707925
 2:38 pm on Apr 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am not sure if we are in the sandbox or if we got a DC penalty. This was my first question...

Yes, we do not have enough backlinks yet.

But as G began to spider our page we had a really good position in the results. But after a week we vanished from the first pages to very bad positions. I am not sure if this happend because of Amazon DC or sandbox?

Porter5Forces




msg:707926
 7:13 pm on Apr 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've seen quite a few Amazon webservices driven sites de-indexed by Google. It seem like it is a sin to use Amazon webservices...
I hope Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos can communicate this impact to Larry Page soon.

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