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Sandboxing -- How long must I wait?
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theyellowfrog




msg:774401
 10:02 pm on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,
i have a very high quality site that has been in the sandbox for 7 months now, it only ranks for its domain name and nothing else. Any ideas how much longer i must wait to get in google serps, it has some good links, many content pages etc but i need the google traffic and not sure if i will ever get a ranking.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

 

annej




msg:774402
 1:04 am on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

There is no set time because it is more a sandbox effect depending on many factors.

Keep adding good content, don't let it just sit and wait to get out of the sandbox. It's thought that Google might consider growth.

ZoltanTheBold




msg:774403
 9:48 am on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Mine took 8 months, which seems typical.

Keep adding good content, don't let it just sit and wait to get out of the sandbox.

This is good advice. Whilst suffering from the ageing delay your site continues to 'rank'. It is just absent from the search results. The real pro's continue to promote a site as if it were visible and doing well, which is the real trick. Once you are released you don't start from scratch, so it's important to act as if your site is doing ok and keep accumulating links and other promotional effects.

The really serious pro's just accept this as a normal part of the process. It takes all new sites quite some time to get established. In my view the ageing delay is just the start, as it seems to take 18 months for sites to get established now, even longer if you hang around waiting for Google.

Seo1




msg:774404
 2:44 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Zoltan is right on!

I tell clients depending on category 6 months to a year.

Marketing starts the day you go live and doesn't stop.

One needs to advertise in order to grow business.

Work the site in forums blogs press releases viral seo ppc whatever it takes.

Add content often as you can. Chill on link building. Your better off with 10 high pr directory links one way to your site... than 100 recips that are not relevant.

walkman




msg:774405
 3:35 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

OLD site, re-"sandboxed" due to stupid mistake of mine, took about 8-9 months.

MrSpeed




msg:774406
 3:49 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

OLD site, re-"sandboxed" due to stupid mistake of mine,

Mind if you share the details of that stupid mistake?

phantombookman




msg:774407
 3:53 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

First site sandboxed took a year to get out

All sites since have avoided the sandbox
Last one went Google #1 one week after domain was bought

Seo1




msg:774408
 4:26 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

phantombookman

You say it went right to #1? for a keyword term or for a search of the site URL?

I would doubt it was for a keyword term unless the keyword term had competition under 1mil.

trinorthlighting




msg:774409
 11:20 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, I have a new site that went to number 1 within a few weeks as well. Very competitive keyword with 1 million plus results.

mc4210




msg:774410
 11:37 pm on Apr 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Uhm, pardon my ignorance, but is 1 million results considered competitive? I thought that competitive was something like "web hosting" with about 988 mil results....

Of course, this number just indicates the pages that contain the term, and not the pages that are optimized for the term so 1 mil actually optimized pages is indeed competitive :)

followgreg




msg:774411
 6:08 am on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would like to ask you guys who posted above:

- #1 or simply 1st page results gave you how many clicks a day.

The reason why I am asking is that if this is a 3/4 clicks a day, whether it's 1million or 100 million results it can not be considered competitive in general.

I personnally always saw sites sandboxed (since the FL update) from 6 months to 12 months. Always.

Seo1




msg:774412
 2:27 pm on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Depends on the keyword term indeed.

All the competing pages in the world does not mean that is how a search term is used by everyday citizens.

For example 'computers'...very broad term and billions of competing pages but most people who are searching for something computer related will not type just computer into the search query and if they did...

they are not targeted buying visitors you want...they would be window shoppers.

Targeted buyers would type something like 'dell computers'

First position will draw approximately 50% - 60% of available clicks on the organic side.

Hope this helps

phantombookman




msg:774413
 2:47 pm on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

You say it went right to #1? for a keyword term or for a search of the site URL?

I would doubt it was for a keyword term unless the keyword term had competition under 1mil.

I normally operate for main searches in the 20-30 million range. This one was just over 11 mill.
More importantly to me, internal pages are also ranking very well.

Using the number of returns as a guide to how competitive a search term is is fundamentally flawed.
What really matters is how aggressive the competition/seo is on the first few pages pages.
The number of returns, especially given how flawed the count is, can often be irrelevent.
<edit for more accurate figure>

Rollo




msg:774414
 4:26 pm on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm at about at the 9 month point with a major site, about 3,000 pages to date and growing rapidly. It's definately the authority site in its class but too new still to beat the age filter. Ranks in Google for some subpages and more obscure subjects, but the homepage is burried on page 12 of Google behind sites that have virtually nothing to do with the subject. Same story in Yahoo. It's #3 in MSN who does do the best job of picking out the authority sites for competative keywords (though they are still have trouble deep crawling).

CainIV




msg:774415
 8:21 pm on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Every site ranks initlaly high. Give it time, and you could see your ranks slip once filtering is effect.

The competiteness of the keyphrase cannot always be measured by the number of results returned.

Rollo




msg:774416
 10:00 pm on Apr 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Every site ranks initlaly high.

Not in Google since about 2003. The new site bounce has been replaced with a year long sentence to pergatory.

theyellowfrog




msg:774417
 7:48 pm on Apr 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Competiveness of keyword is neither measured by the daily clicks, it would be the ratio of click/ click value that woul ddetermine if it is a compeitive keyword.

coincidently, after starting this post, my site came out of the sandbox next day and ranks for some more obvious terms, this is great news as you start to lose enthusiasm after many months and no reward.

It is said that the sandbox applies to only compeitive terms, how in this case can google accurately rank new sites for compeitive terms that are worthy of inclusion? this must be a flaw in their algo to an extent. A site for "new widgets for may 2006" will never be found in google in time according to this?

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